Michael Jackson Hoax Death

silentone said:

Yuck.  I think MSNBC has a show on where they catch those sickos.

yeah, i saw that… it is scary and young kids on the internet are so trusting!

That was directed at Silentone

kk242 said:

well, I am nearing my 31st birthday, and after spending a few days in chat the majority of people i spoke to were around the mid twenties. I only had once, a 14 year old girl pm and ask to chat and I politley told her NO! As much as my 11 year old daughter wants to come on here and read, I wont allow it, and I do believe there should be an age restriction for this site of 18 years, I have been in the chat room on may occasions, and I must say some of the language, and obscene comments being made in there are very inappropriate for minors. I would hate for any of my kids to stumble accross that chat room for people to be talking about MJ's cock and what they would like to do to it!!!!

It's my opinion that parents are responsible for parenting their own children, and the internet is not automatically “child friendly,” nor should it be.  If parents can't parent their own children, I'm not about to feel guilty for saying something naughty in a chat room.

Post edited 8:31 am – August 3, 2009 by she_can

I agree with you Jewell – in several times, there were posts and people here that were discrediting the purpose of this site

As far as I am concerned, I don't care much about the anagrams, “7-thing” and other interpretations. I am hooked on this site because several people from around the world are searching the website (to some extent) looking for facts through articles, testimonies etc….and posting them here – it really seems like we are a team of investigators! The problem starts when people are speculating and turn to crazy theories that don't serve the purpose of this website – granted, it's a forum so you can exchange ideas but talking BS is not acceptable – it really gets out of control and it's a shame

Maybe we should better organise those topics like creating a timeline that would be updated a regular basis? admin, is it possible?

Concerning MJ, the only thing that bugs me in the hoax theory is the involvement of LAPD, DEA, coroner which is not possible to me etc… – if they are involved, it means there is a dead body.

I still think that nobody really explored the possibility that someone else had a cardiac arrest at his house and was transported to hospital but media immediately assumed it was MJ. That would explain paramedics not recognising him, no name said by the 911 call, no pictures, closed casket, no testimonies from his home staff (note that none of them actually saw him that day) nor from medical staff at the UCLA, hiding of the body. 

LEA613 said:

That was directed at Silentone

Yeah that's the name of it.  Thanks

Post edited 8:33 am – August 3, 2009 by morla

mjfan said:

I wouldn't think less of MJ if he had a drug problem.  I can totally understand it with all the shit he went through.  But I just personally don't believe he had one.  Not at that time.  In the nineties, yes.  But I just don't believe it was still going on.

Why? His whole (perfect) world was shattered to pieces …the only thing I could see why he got clean were the children. I can't find other reasons – but enlighten me .

morla said:

mjfan said:

I wouldn't think less of MJ if he had a drug problem.  I can totally understand it with all the shit he went through.  But I just personally don't believe he had one.  Not at that time.  In the nineties, yes.  But I just don't believe it was still going on.

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Why? Hiw whole (perfect) world was shattered to pieces …the only thing I could see why he got clean were the children. I can'tg find other reasons – but enlighten me .

Well tom Messerau, his lead defense counsel for the 2005 trial has stated on the record, on video even that he spent months with MJ for hours at a time, and he NEVER saw any indication that Mj was on any kind of drugs.  And he was always lucid and articulate.

If you read “The Magic and The Madness” when MJ had the drug problem in 1993 he was anything but lucid and articulate.  He was out of control.

I think Tom Messerau is a good and decent guy.  I also think he's a smart guy.  With that much daily exposure to MJ during the time MJ's drug problem was supposed to be the worst (because obviously during the 2005 trial it would be), I think his testimony to the situation can be relied upon.

Further many witnesses who spent time aroiund MJ in rehearsals plus his trainer, plus the godfather of his kids Mark Lester, all claimed that MJ didn't seem like he was on drugs, he seemed healthy, and on top of things,a nd excited.  His personal chef said he was healthy and on top of things and excited.

No one has disputed that he was a wonderful father (something very hard for a drug addict to be.)

He passed a 4-5 hour physical several months before the concert with an independent doctor from Lloyds of London to get insured for millions of dollars for the concerts.  If he was a drug addict they would have found it and would not have insured him.

If he had all these enabling doctors… did he just suddenly start taking drugs when he got back to the US? He was in Ireland and Bahrain for 3 years.  Why is there no papertrail to any enabling doctors from those countries?

The nurse/nutritionist who claims he wanted Diprivan did a blood panel on him back in January, everything looked normal. 

I just don't believe MJ was addicted to drugs.  It doesn't add up for me.

another article from the same website stating that the Sony documentary will be released early next year (jeez!)

http://www.contactmusic.com/ne…..ow_1111559

mjfan said:

jewell said:

morla said:

Post edited 8:33 am – August 3, 2009 by morla

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mjfan said:

I wouldn't think less of MJ if he had a drug problem.  I can totally understand it with all the shit he went through.  But I just personally don't believe he had one.  Not at that time.  In the nineties, yes.  But I just don't believe it was still going on.

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Why? His whole (perfect) world was shattered to pieces …the only thing I could see why he got clean were the children. I can't find other reasons – but enlighten me .

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Unfortunately, drug use is like alcoholism…

it is something you constantly fight and crave and have setbacks with…

rehab usually is not a one time fix it type of deal….

many good. loving and productive people struggle their whole lives with this…

many are doctors, lawyers, artists and the nice lady next door… it can be anyone….

and there is nothing wrong with it….

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Even so, I believe there is a lot of evidence to suggest MJ was not a drug addict at the end.  I just posted a big long post about it.  I can respect if you have a different opinion, but just because someone CAN have a drug addiction for many years, doesn't mean MJ DID.    I dono't think there is anything wrong with it either if MJ had a problem.  BUt I just do not believe he still did.

I respect your opinion mjfan and always enjoy your posts!

jewell said:

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I respect your opinion mjfan and always enjoy your posts!

LOL, sorry I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just wanted to discuss it with you, so everytime you said something I chimed in, haha.

mjfan said:

jewell said:

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I respect your opinion mjfan and always enjoy your posts!

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LOL, sorry I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just wanted to discuss it with you, so everytime you said something I chimed in, haha.

I enjoy that type of discussion, no need to apologize!

jewell said:

silentone said:

What are the ages of most of the people on here?  Teens?

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I do think that the majority is under 20….. and that could be why…

but I highly encourage young people and all ages to research and then research more….

we are lucky to live in the internet age now where there is this possibility for instant information!

I have actually run across several members that are upwards of 25 or more.  I'm 37 and I know there are lots of people on here my age or older.

mjfan said:

kk242 said:

well, I am nearing my 31st birthday, and after spending a few days in chat the majority of people i spoke to were around the mid twenties. I only had once, a 14 year old girl pm and ask to chat and I politley told her NO! As much as my 11 year old daughter wants to come on here and read, I wont allow it, and I do believe there should be an age restriction for this site of 18 years, I have been in the chat room on may occasions, and I must say some of the language, and obscene comments being made in there are very inappropriate for minors. I would hate for any of my kids to stumble accross that chat room for people to be talking about MJ's cock and what they would like to do to it!!!!

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It's my opinion that parents are responsible for parenting their own children, and the internet is not automatically “child friendly,” nor should it be.  If parents can't parent their own children, I'm not about to feel guilty for saying something naughty in a chat room.

Here, here.  I agree completely.  I am 37.  Perhaps I've been one of the vulgar ones in the chat room (though I don't remember ever typing the word cock) talking about the GOLD PANTS (ahhh deep breath), but this is a forum for adults NOT children.  It is the responsibility of the parent, not US, to monitor/police what any given child is seeing or doing on line. By the way and for the record, I have been deeply saddened over the loss of MJ.  My heart hurts thinking about the tribulation and strife he endured and yet he produced such monumental feats of genius and he gave so much of himself to this world.  Sometimes, I (we) need a little levity in our grief/sadness and the GOLD PANTS discussion provides that.  None of us mean any disrespect and I happen to know that most of the key players (at least in that discussion) are well over teen years because I have spoken w/ them separate outside of this forum. 

Also, MJ was a virgin until he married LMP.  Is it a coincidence that the GOLD PANTS (I get a tickle just typing that) first appeared on the HIStory tour?  I think not.  He was completely and finally in touch with his sexuality and knew exactly what he was doing.

Post edited 12:42 pm – August 3, 2009 by Almondjoy

Everyone is going to believe and draw their thoughts and conclusions to what happened to Michael Jackson. At the end of the day I think it’s a shame that simple people who’s computer is probably a piece of crap can come on here and with simple photo shop and compare and come with the conclusion of that “something just doesn’t add up” there are more questions than answers. Period.

The LA Police Department is walking around like Michael Jackson was a has been or a nobody. I mean they're being so nonchalant. We keep hearing the same crap over and over again , nothing has changed since June 25th if you ask me. Nothing.

As for the research on the Doc. Murray, Yes anyone can do that and spend countless of hours and probably find BS that may not even apply to him, anyone can put crap on the internet. And go with that alone.

The questions is

Why have we not heard from him. None of Dr. Murray’s lawyers have came up and spoke defending there client. Not one statment has been made by them. And a letter to be read by a reporter is not good enough.

Do you know how much money he is worth to a paparazzi? Why haven’t we seen one picture from them. Hell! Debbie Rowe is being hounded by pap. for god sake but she did not kill Michael Jackson. And I’ll say that again…… MICHAEL JACKSON! You will think this will get more coverage then when Anna Nicole Smith died.

Period.

Dead or Alive….Teen or Adult….All of us in here wants some answers and the proper investigation to be done. It should not have to be done by the posters here  but by the right people who can give us answers so we can lay this to rest.

* My hats off to the posters who are putting there time in this, there doing a hell of a job then actual LA Police Department.

BelieverAngel90 said:

I agree – how can you tell from different posts every minute that someone is trying to put real facts and information , from the ones that are making these “OMG …” ones ?? I get confused badly sometimes from this ….

Got to agree about the OMG's and WTF's. They sound like they are coming from a 12 year old. And people keep posting the same info over and over again, or just random thoughts, or spew out tabloid junk. Aghh! Gives me a headache. It akes hours to get through these threads and I still have no idea whats past page 6. I never go to the threads with OMG's and WTF's because they are alwasy pointless. I apologize if that offends anyone, but I have to agree with the original post. Time to get serious!