Michael Jackson Hoax Death

Post edited 8:18 am – August 3, 2009 by jewell

I know that everyone on here is smart and wants to figure this out….

well my husband died laughing when i told him that and he wants to know where my paycheck is!

Now go forth and research young investigators!

I agree – how can you tell from different posts every minute that someone is trying to put real facts and information , from the ones that are making these “OMG …” ones ?? I get confused badly sometimes from this ….

jewell said:

I am running about 95% sure that MJ has passed…

but there is still this tiny 5% doubt that it could be a hoax….

 

I really like this board and many here are coming up with some good theories….

 

But i am finding over and over again people stating what they believe are facts and arguing the point without doing any research…

then everyone jumps on that and agrees and the mis-information  just spins out of control…

google is free and only takes a couple minutes to do some quick research….

 

one example is the autopsy taking too long….

a simple google search shows you that this time frame is not unusual for this type of case.

 

Another example is the argument that propofol won't show up in the autopsy results…

a simple google search will show you that it leaves the body's blood stream within 2 hours but will show up in brain and tissue samples.

 

And another is that Dr. Murray is a fictional character….

Well a simple goolge search in public and court records and about an hour of your time will prove otherwise.

 

And then there is the thread where everyone is jumping on the rumour that the brain doesn't tell you anything…

another simple, free google search will give plenty of info into brain autopsy.

 

I really would love to see everyone researching more before you start arguing a point or agreeing….

I know that everyone on here is smart and wants to figure this out….

 

but i believe in order to solve this mystery and form plausible theories,

we have to have the facts straight….

and keep emotions in check…

good investigators aren't screaming out at the crime scenes “OMG'S” over and over…..

 

It has also been brought to my attention that there are several PM's going around about me

and members thinking that i am a plant or working for the admin…..

well my husband died laughing when i told him that and he wants to know where my paycheck is!

 

Anyway i hope nobody takes offense to this, because it is not directed at anyone, but all of us as a whole!

 

Now go forth and research young investigators!

I agree with what you're saying.  Though my issue with the autopsy isn't that it's “taking so long,” it's that it has been delayed 4 times.  They've said they expect results on toxicology reports, and then they've delayed it at the last minute, over and over again.  I find it very hard to believe that these people are professionals if they can't just say: “It may take several weeks” and leave it at that.  Instead they gotta say, “We'll have results by this date” then that date comes and they delay it again and give us another date to hang onto.  Now it has been delayed “indefinitely.”  Which is just very weird and suspicious IMO.  My personal belief isn't necessarily that this indicates MJ is alive, but rather that they aren't finding what they expected to find and they keep searching and searching trying to find what they think they're supposed to find.

My guess is that MJ wasn't addicted to anything this late in the game, and if there are any drugs in his system it's the result of murder. IMO.  I don't buy that he's taking Diprivan to sleep. Because it doesn't give you real rest.  And I REALLY don't buy that an anasthesiologist went on tour with him before giving him Diprivan.  That's so insane, it sounds like Hyperbaric Chambers and Elephant Man bones to me, and the only reason people believe it is because it's Michael Jackson.  If someone can provide me with some sound evidence that he had an anasthetisologist with him on tour then I'll consider it.

I also don't believe Murray is a fictional character, though I DO find it very bizarre that only one photograph was floating around in the media for weeks until we kept bitching about it, then suddenly a few other rather posed pictures show up, but even though supposedly he is “hounded everywhere he goes” and “has to have a bodyguard”  there has thusfar been not ONE candid photograph from a member of the papparazzi or video footage.  (The one bit of video footage we have, we can't even tell that it's him, and it hardly shows anyone harassing him.)  Why hasn't TMZ gotten some candid photos of him in the “harassing fashion” that we would have if this story about him being constantly harassed were true?  That's what the papparazzi is best at.

LOLOL and I can't believe people think you are a plant or working for the admin! LMFAO.  I'm the real plant! Duh.  Just kidding.  No one take that seriously.

silentone said:

What are the ages of most of the people on here?  Teens?

I do think that the majority is under 20….. and that could be why…

but I highly encourage young people and all ages to research and then research more….

we are lucky to live in the internet age now where there is this possibility for instant information!

Post edited 7:49 am – August 3, 2009 by morla

jewell said:

silentone said:

What are the ages of most of the people on here?  Teens?

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I do think that the majority is under 20….. and that could be why…

but I highly encourage young people and all ages to research and then research more….

we are lucky to live in the internet age now where there is this possibility for instant information!

Yes, I encourage it too.  I'll post anything I come up with if it doesn't sound far fetched.  I'm still in shock from all this

Sometimes I think this site is getting out of control, people are claming they have seen MJ in a park no wait some dude clamied that his new neighbour was MJ in disgusise, I am getting sick and tired of the BS some people is saying.

I liked it when facts are brought forward but as the days pass the topics becomes more and more unrealiable and dull.

well, I am nearing my 31st birthday, and after spending a few days in chat the majority of people i spoke to were around the mid twenties. I only had once, a 14 year old girl pm and ask to chat and I politley told her NO! As much as my 11 year old daughter wants to come on here and read, I wont allow it, and I do believe there should be an age restriction for this site of 18 years, I have been in the chat room on may occasions, and I must say some of the language, and obscene comments being made in there are very inappropriate for minors. I would hate for any of my kids to stumble accross that chat room for people to be talking about MJ's cock and what they would like to do to it!!!!

silentone said:

I live about an hour from there.  But the chronicle and khou etc have covered him.  I don't believe he is make believe.  And I have followed posts in the chronicle.  Some people are concerned cause their moms or dads, grandparents are patients of his.  Some people are saying he is a wonderful doctor.  This was said outside his houston office. 

Do you like the heat?  I wish it would cool down.  And hopefully no hurricane this year

Oh, ok. Yeah I don't live in Houston anymore but I was raised there and I go back often. I was actually there when they announced that Michael Jackson had passed away. It was a weird day. We hadn't seen rain for weeks, but literally since they reported MJ was in the hospital until they said he passed a storm started brewing and within minutes when they made the announcement it started pouring. Very weird.

Yeah Hurricane Ike was terrible. I wasn't there for that but all of my people live in Houston so it was scary. Don't like the heat, never will LOL. That's my hometown, but it's way too hot lol. I'm going to look up the Chronicle online because I haven't been keeping up with the updates in Houston concerning Murray. He is a suspicious character though to me.

morla said:

Very good – my rate is  99% that he has passed – there are too many hard facts that can't be ignored. But as I said: There will ever be people who doubt everything for their own reasons. I read here every day less because it gets boring, nothing nex shows up and the same things are discussed again and again (and sometimes I wonder if the point matters at all ). Perhaps one should see it as some kind of grieving…

I never was able to post my thoughts in a compkex theory because I have to do still other things – but there were enough people who did a good job for both sides of the story. The likekiness that he is alive gets smaller every day. I! think that if he wanted a “big bang” he must have done it in the first four weeks – the interest in it is declining (and even the media repeats itself and it gets boring) …

And: You never know if a person is an addict (and there are a lot of people in the showbiz who are and the more sensitive a human being is the higher the likeliness) – so even this is a likely fact. A lot of addicts are denying it and his reactions as told by Uri Geller for example, are normal denying reactions. So the propofol story matches the facts that are presented by the media. He is not the first and won't be the last person who is killed of his addiction (perhaps Amy Winehouse is the next one…) …

I heard Uri Geller introduced Michael Jackson to Martin Bashir and brokered the deal for that rubbish interview…

kk242 said:

well, I am nearing my 31st birthday, and after spending a few days in chat the majority of people i spoke to were around the mid twenties. I only had once, a 14 year old girl pm and ask to chat and I politley told her NO! As much as my 11 year old daughter wants to come on here and read, I wont allow it, and I do believe there should be an age restriction for this site of 18 years, I have been in the chat room on may occasions, and I must say some of the language, and obscene comments being made in there are very inappropriate for minors. I would hate for any of my kids to stumble accross that chat room for people to be talking about MJ's cock and what they would like to do to it!!!!

WOW… what is scary is the person they think is another 15 year old girl,

is really a dirty old man somewhere getting off on it….

it just sickens me!

Of course Dr. Murray is real. MJ would need someone to help him pull off the hoax with the paramedics.

I think the evidence we do have is that this is a hoax. CPR on the bed? One armed CPR? Oxygen mask not properly fitted? No defib? Frail, old, sickly man? Ambulance photo appears to be MJ from 15 years ago? Now autopsey report delayed indefinatly. Anna Nicole was a death investigation and they released the autopsey results on her. What's the difference?

Even if Dr. Murray killed MJ via intent or incompetance, he would not continue to keep killing MJ in full view of the EMTs by refusing to let them defib and insisting on one armed CPR.

mo2kidzs said:

jewell said:

I am running about 95% sure that MJ has passed…

but there is still this tiny 5% doubt that it could be a hoax….

 

I really like this board and many here are coming up with some good theories….

 

But i am finding over and over again people stating what they believe are facts and arguing the point without doing any research…

then everyone jumps on that and agrees and the mis-information  just spins out of control…

google is free and only takes a couple minutes to do some quick research….

 

one example is the autopsy taking too long….

a simple google search shows you that this time frame is not unusual for this type of case.

 

Another example is the argument that propofol won't show up in the autopsy results…

a simple google search will show you that it leaves the body's blood stream within 2 hours but will show up in brain and tissue samples.

 

And another is that Dr. Murray is a fictional character….

Well a simple goolge search in public and court records and about an hour of your time will prove otherwise.

 

And then there is the thread where everyone is jumping on the rumour that the brain doesn't tell you anything…

another simple, free google search will give plenty of info into brain autopsy.

 

I really would love to see everyone researching more before you start arguing a point or agreeing….

I know that everyone on here is smart and wants to figure this out….

 

but i believe in order to solve this mystery and form plausible theories,

we have to have the facts straight….

and keep emotions in check…

good investigators aren't screaming out at the crime scenes “OMG'S” over and over…..

 

It has also been brought to my attention that there are several PM's going around about me

and members thinking that i am a plant or working for the admin…..

well my husband died laughing when i told him that and he wants to know where my paycheck is!

 

Anyway i hope nobody takes offense to this, because it is not directed at anyone, but all of us as a whole!

 

Now go forth and research young investigators!

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Well and this is your “theory” so you really can't wish it so for r here… some ppl are just coming to this forum don't know most of the stuff we do. So let others think what they want, I go for DEA and Sony and I think he is alive, and I have “looked” at everything.

Just saying……

 you misunderstood me… it is not a theory at all….

silentone said:

jewell said:

kk242 said:

well, I am nearing my 31st birthday, and after spending a few days in chat the majority of people i spoke to were around the mid twenties. I only had once, a 14 year old girl pm and ask to chat and I politley told her NO! As much as my 11 year old daughter wants to come on here and read, I wont allow it, and I do believe there should be an age restriction for this site of 18 years, I have been in the chat room on may occasions, and I must say some of the language, and obscene comments being made in there are very inappropriate for minors. I would hate for any of my kids to stumble accross that chat room for people to be talking about MJ's cock and what they would like to do to it!!!!

---

WOW… what is scary is the person they think is another 15 year old girl,

is really a dirty old man somewhere getting off on it….

it just sickens me!

---

I thought she meant the kids were talking about what they would like to do with it.  It was a man saying that?

lol… it was the kids… but dirty old men pretend that they are young girls and boys on the internet!

Yuck.  I think MSNBC has a show on where they catch those sickos.