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Post edited 10:58 am – July 18, 2009 by Iknowitall
This was simply a mistake to post.. I have made a lot of mistakes coming to this forum..
I wish you all well and good luck on your 'search' for the truth…
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Post edited 10:15 am – July 18, 2009 by SkylinexBleedsxRed
Please post a good link to where you say you can see the visible tears on all three children's faces because out of all of the memorial footage I have seen of that part, I have not seen what you are claiming.
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SkylinexBleedsxRed said:
Please post a good link to where you say you can see the visible tears on all three children's face because out of all of the memorial footage I have seen of that scene, I have not seen what you are claiming.
I'm sorry you dont see it but on the memorial footage that I saw it was very obvious to me that she was infact crying. She wasnt “sobbing” but it was very real. She was crying There is a flash of Princes face and he is crying, and little blanket was also very upset.
I saw it. I didn't want to see it for weeks, but I saw it. That wasnt fake at all… She was very upset about her father. I think that this is what happened. I know it in my heart. It's alright if you dont see it or believe it, it's hard for me to but I had to step out of the shoes of being a fan and really look at the situation. Michael Jackson was an AMAZING person, but he was just that too.. A “person” with a very tortured soul at times… He was only human and made mistakes. I really hope that he is getting the help that he needs.
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100% AGREED HE WAS AN ADDICT. seriously, it CANT be clearer, its on everysingle TV station. And Michael Jackson even admitted it himself at one point. Not to say the media is always true, but his close and dear friends would not be lieing to make him look bad. REALLY. His family has said so, his friends have said so. THEY WOULDNT LIE TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD. And not to mention the story remains consistant. sorry. Its true.
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Post edited 10:27 am – July 18, 2009 by SkylinexBleedsxRed
It's not that I don't believe it. It's just that I don't see it. I know Michael was, in fact, No saint. No one in the world is. I don't buy into the drug story. I have been on numerous counts of crazy medicines myself to know how one reacts to such. I was never an abuser, But the dosage that was given was enough to make anyone go crazy. I have been there, Done that. Long story. I know everyone reacts differently to certain things, But everyone has been saying he was strung out all of the time before this ever took place. If he was taking all of the medicine people have claimed, He would have been dead literally, Many years ago. There is a difference between being an addict and being addicted. I call it as I see it.
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5:26 pm
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Hope Is All We Have said:
100% AGREED HE WAS AN ADDICT. seriously, it CANT be clearer, its on everysingle TV station. And Michael Jackson even admitted it himself at one point. Not to say the media is always true, but his close and dear friends would not be lieing to make him look bad. REALLY. His family has said so, his friends have said so. THEY WOULDNT LIE TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD. And not to mention the story remains consistant. sorry. Its true.
It's sad but true. We don't need media to show that to us. Just look at any interview that hes done in the past 5 or 6 years.. He was often high in them… But I dont want him to sound like a Junkie, because he wasnt like that. I think he had a lot of pain and problems
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The thing about this situation is that if MJ is “spotted” like Elvis has been “spotted” it's going to be a dead give away. What I mean is, MJ has such a distinctive look that if someone spotted him, it would probably be the real MJ. No one can mistake MJ's look for any regular joe like you can with Elvis.
How many people out there look like MJ? Not many. How many people out there look like Elvis? Tons.
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5:29 pm
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SkylinexBleedsxRed said:
It's not that I don't believe it. It's just that I don't see it. I know Michael was, in fact, No saint. No one in the world is. I don't buy into the drug story. I have been on numerous counts of crazy medicines myself to know how one reacts to such. I was never an abuser, But the dosage that was given was enough to make anyone go crazy. I have been there, Done that. Long story. I know everyone reacts differently to certain things, But everyone has been saying he was strung out all of the time before this ever took place. If he was taking all of the medicine people have claimed, He would have been dead literally, Many years ago.
I'm not saying ANYTHING that has anything to do with media. I too have been a drug abuser… I didn't want to go there and put my personal history out there, but I was. Michael Jackson abused drugs. He has said it himself.
I'm not saying that he took 40 xanax a night or anything, i'm not saything at all.
I'm saying that he abused drugs and it took him down a dark path…
Like I said, you dont have to believe me. i really dont care.. I needed this answer for myself and I have it.. He needed serious help and I honestly hope that he is getting it.
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5:34 pm
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well, i feel this: if he walked away from it all, why did he go to Christian Audigier's party? just recently..actually Christian does not explain exactly the extent of their friendship,, all know is he sure of hell didn't assist to any of my parties,,,jeje…plus that last interview with a new image (very unique)..love those silver pants and black jacket..man wonder who made those clothes 4 him, he is a true artist..like no other from this century…so I really don't think he just quit. sorry..watched some vids and saw him always checking out the music, the cues…i think he was a very disciplned musician and marketing wiz and was probably behind some major projects like Britney's, he liked Beyonce's performances as well…as a musician, I've been checking those details and yes..what they proyect is a totally opposite Michael as described now: a drugaddict…maybe he did painkillers man if you knew the musicians I work with..most of them are drunks and cokeheads…something happened that he didn't like…probably the promoters…made him sign a contract and didn't explain what he had to do..so he said…go to hell…I don't need my image “saved” by your sympathy…and decided to either just go away or do something on his own…sometimes I think we should also write about his work,, not just detective's evidence…just a thought…at your feet MJ… 
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yeah i watched part of paris' speech and at the end you can see i think jermane at the side and he looks like he's crying and then when they are walkin the casket out the bald brother(don't know his name) had a tissue and is whiipping his face:S
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5:40 pm
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stephykat said:
well, i feel this: if he walked away from it all, why did he go to Christian Audigier's party? just recently..actually Christian does not explain exactly the extent of their friendship,, all know is he sure of hell didn't assist to any of my parties,,,jeje…plus that last interview with a new image (very unique)..love those silver pants and black jacket..man wonder who made those clothes 4 him, he is a true artist..like no other from this century…so I really don't think he just quit. sorry..watched some vids and saw him always checking out the music, the cues…i think he was a very disciplned musician and marketing wiz and was probably behind some major projects like Britney's, he liked Beyonce's performances as well…as a musician, I've been checking those details and yes..what they proyect is a totally opposite Michael as described now: a drugaddict…maybe he did painkillers man if you knew the musicians I work with..most of them are drunks and cokeheads…something happened that he didn't like…probably the promoters…made him sign a contract and didn't explain what he had to do..so he said…go to hell…I don't need my image “saved” by your sympathy…and decided to either just go away or do something on his own…sometimes I think we should also write about his work,, not just detective's evidence…just a thought…at your feet MJ…
If Michael Jacksons life was really this un-tragic, i'd be very happy.. Unfortunately , it wasn't… It was anything but.
Michael Jackson was the best artist that ever exsisted, but i've said time and time again, that has nothing to do with the other sides of him.. He had A LOT of issues.
I don't think he abused coke or anything like that…
I'm not going to debate about it anymore, i'll let you guys have your say..
I don't want it to be true that he was this or that, but i'm looking at reality. Truth of the matter, there is an 80% chance that Michael Jackson is dead… We will never know. I can put my life on that.. He is never coming back.. At 50 years old, he is not going to himself or his children through any of that.. You'll see
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SkylinexBleedsxRed said:
Post edited 5:27 pm – July 17, 2009 by SkylinexBleedsxRed
It's not that I don't believe it. It's just that I don't see it. I know Michael was, in fact, No saint. No one in the world is. I don't buy into the drug story. I have been on numerous counts of crazy medicines myself to know how one reacts to such. I was never an abuser, But the dosage that was given was enough to make anyone go crazy. I have been there, Done that. Long story. I know everyone reacts differently to certain things, But everyone has been saying he was strung out all of the time before this ever took place. If he was taking all of the medicine people have claimed, He would have been dead literally, Many years ago. There is a difference between being an addict and being addicted. I call it as I see it.
I am right there with you on it. And people say it was 'close friends' that said he was addicted. WRONG. Because his CLOSEST friends aren't even making any statements regaurding his 'death' anyway. All I'm saying, is if/when he does come back, he will tell the truth and then the people who were right will be happy, and the ones who were wrong will look stupid, just saying.
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Post edited 1:31 pm – July 18, 2009 by SkylinexBleedsxRed
Michael himself never said he was abusing drugs. What he did say was that “He was undergoing a treatment for dependency on pain medication”. That shows no evidence that he was abusing pain medication. Like I said, Big difference between addiction and abuse. I'm sure he had a lot of mental pain, He probably did take psychological medicine, Etc.. That still shows nothing that he was abusing it. You could have psychological pain and drink, That doesn't make you an alcoholic.
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SkylinexBleedsxRed said:
“He was undergoing a treatment for dependency on pain medication”. That shows no evidence that he was abusing pain medication. Like I said, Big difference between addiction and abuse.
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SkylinexBleedsxRed said:
Post edited 5:27 pm – July 17, 2009 by SkylinexBleedsxRed
It's not that I don't believe it. It's just that I don't see it. I know Michael was, in fact, No saint. No one in the world is. I don't buy into the drug story. I have been on numerous counts of crazy medicines myself to know how one reacts to such. I was never an abuser, But the dosage that was given was enough to make anyone go crazy. I have been there, Done that. Long story. I know everyone reacts differently to certain things, But everyone has been saying he was strung out all of the time before this ever took place. If he was taking all of the medicine people have claimed, He would have been dead literally, Many years ago. There is a difference between being an addict and being addicted. I call it as I see it.
I am right there with you on it. And people say it was 'close friends' that said he was addicted. WRONG. Because his CLOSEST friends aren't even making any statements regaurding his 'death' anyway. All I'm saying, is if/when he does come back, he will tell the truth and then the people who were right will be happy, and the ones who were wrong will look stupid, just saying.
You don't have to go there and say anybody is “stupid”. That's just childish… Part of debunking anyhing is looking at reality.. The mere fact that so many “fans” don't see how troubled and f**ked up he was, makes me soo angry..
I dont mean that he was a BAD person, god knows i LOVED Michael Jackson and you know what screw it!!!! I don't care who is reading anymore, YES you can kind of in a way say that I knew things about him on a personal level. THERE I said it!!!!!
Don't make it like im trying to bad mouth him because you have NO idea how much this hurts me. You DONT know. You listened to his music and watched his interviews, you were a FAN. You have no idea the things that I know and i only posted this so that people can seriously get a better understanding.
Actually a lot of people close to Michael rleased statements about his troubled past. It's called doing RESEARCH.
I'm not posting here anymore, this is starting to get to personal and I tried it out and tried to post with everyone, but this is too personal for me and I cant do this. im sorry
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Andrea Lidia said:
SkylinexBleedsxRed said:
“He was undergoing a treatment for dependency on pain medication”. That shows no evidence that he was abusing pain medication. Like I said, Big difference between addiction and abuse.
THANK YOU!
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Yeah well, I cry at all funerals, even though I don't know the deceased. They had all tearjerkers at the end, not so difficukt to fake a cry.
I'm not buying the drug story. I don't say that he didn't use anything, because we all knew he did, but the stories being told now are way to big. They say he's been using since 1993. In the 90's he was pretty good and fit on stage. In 2001 in NY he also looked pretty fit. In 2005 at Geraldo's, perfectly normal.If you are using those amounts of very strong medicine that much, you can't act normal or fit.
It's 2008 and 2009 'he' looked as if he had lost it, but the pictures and footage of the last 2 years, I don't believe that's MJ all the time.
As for the O2 guy, I think we agreed that wasen't MJ (and not only us, most people noticed, even my mum). We could tell by the hands. Also that guy is to big and his legs were to short for his upper body. Either MJ is alive or not, he wasn't at the O2 announcement.
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Iknowitall said:
Andrea Lidia said:
SkylinexBleedsxRed said:
Post edited 5:27 pm – July 17, 2009 by SkylinexBleedsxRed
It's not that I don't believe it. It's just that I don't see it. I know Michael was, in fact, No saint. No one in the world is. I don't buy into the drug story. I have been on numerous counts of crazy medicines myself to know how one reacts to such. I was never an abuser, But the dosage that was given was enough to make anyone go crazy. I have been there, Done that. Long story. I know everyone reacts differently to certain things, But everyone has been saying he was strung out all of the time before this ever took place. If he was taking all of the medicine people have claimed, He would have been dead literally, Many years ago. There is a difference between being an addict and being addicted. I call it as I see it.
I am right there with you on it. And people say it was 'close friends' that said he was addicted. WRONG. Because his CLOSEST friends aren't even making any statements regaurding his 'death' anyway. All I'm saying, is if/when he does come back, he will tell the truth and then the people who were right will be happy, and the ones who were wrong will look stupid, just saying.
You don't have to go there and say anybody is “stupid”. That's just childish… Part of debunking anyhing is looking at reality.. The mere fact that so many “fans” don't see how troubled and f**ked up he was, makes me soo angry..
I dont mean that he was a BAD person, god knows i LOVED Michael Jackson and you know what screw it!!!! I don't care who is reading anymore, YES you can kind of in a way say that I knew things about him on a personal level. THERE I said it!!!!!
Don't make it like im trying to bad mouth him because you have NO idea how much this hurts me. You DONT know. You listened to his music and watched his interviews, you were a FAN. You have no idea the things that I know and i only posted this so that people can seriously get a better understanding.
Actually a lot of people close to Michael rleased statements about his troubled past. It's called doing RESEARCH.
I'm not posting here anymore, this is starting to get to personal and I tried it out and tried to post with everyone, but this is too personal for me and I cant do this. im sorry
Wow, you took what I said really personally. I was not directing at you, sheesh…
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SkylinexBleedsxRed said:
Andrea Lidia said:
SkylinexBleedsxRed said:
“He was undergoing a treatment for dependency on pain medication”. That shows no evidence that he was abusing pain medication. Like I said, Big difference between addiction and abuse.
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Paris was geniune in her expression of her love for Michael, but that's where it ends. Her reaction and that of the other kids' throughout the entire memorial were not those of children who had just lost their father. I'm sorry, unless they're the most mature kids in the world they would've been crying, fidgeting, visibly upset. They were so close to the coffin and yet barely acknowledged it. It's just bizarre!
As for the o2 guy being Michael, yes I agree with you there, it's quite obvious if you study the pictures carefully. Was he high at the time? It's possible. It's also possible however that he was stressed out because he knew he would fake his death and never go ahead with the London concerts. For a person who'd been performing all his life to suddenly realize he'd be free of it must have made his head spin. Maybe that's why he kept saying “this is it”, because he knew, for real, that it was the last time he'd ever be on stage. Even the way he was phrasing it kind of sounded like he was announcing his retirement.
About the drug story: I don't think MJ was an addict. Yes he was addicted at one point, but that was many YEARS ago and we haven't heard about a drug problem since. The media is unscrupulous when it comes to Michael Jackson, do you really think they would've kept quiet about this if they had any real evidence it was true? Heck, all they need is an offhand remark from a relative and they'd publish an article about it. This didn't happen! that's what makes me think it's a recent fabrication.
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mjlives said:
Paris was geniune in her expression of her love for Michael, but that's where it ends. Her reaction and that of the other kids' throughout the entire memorial were not those of children who had just lost their father. I'm sorry, unless they're the most mature kids in the world they would've been crying, fidgeting, visibly upset. They were so close to the coffin and yet barely acknowledged it. It's just bizarre!
As for the o2 guy being Michael, yes I agree with you there, it's quite obvious if you study the pictures carefully. Was he high at the time? It's possible. It's also possible however that he was stressed out because he knew he would fake his death and never go ahead with the London concerts. For a person who'd been performing all his life to suddenly realize he'd be free of it must have made his head spin. Maybe that's why he kept saying “this is it”, because he knew, for real, that it was the last time he'd ever be on stage. Even the way he was phrasing it kind of sounded like he was announcing his retirement.
About the drug story: I don't think MJ was an addict. Yes he was addicted at one point, but that was many YEARS ago and we haven't heard about a drug problem since. The media is unscrupulous when it comes to Michael Jackson, do you really think they would've kept quiet about this if they had any real evidence it was true? Heck, all they need is an offhand remark from a relative and they'd publish an article about it. This didn't happen! that's what makes me think it's a recent fabrication.
I never said it was a reaction of kids who's father just died…
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mjlives said:
Paris was geniune in her expression of her love for Michael, but that's where it ends. Her reaction and that of the other kids' throughout the entire memorial were not those of children who had just lost their father. I'm sorry, unless they're the most mature kids in the world they would've been crying, fidgeting, visibly upset. They were so close to the coffin and yet barely acknowledged it. It's just bizarre!
As for the o2 guy being Michael, yes I agree with you there, it's quite obvious if you study the pictures carefully. Was he high at the time? It's possible. It's also possible however that he was stressed out because he knew he would fake his death and never go ahead with the London concerts. For a person who'd been performing all his life to suddenly realize he'd be free of it must have made his head spin. Maybe that's why he kept saying “this is it”, because he knew, for real, that it was the last time he'd ever be on stage. Even the way he was phrasing it kind of sounded like he was announcing his retirement.
About the drug story: I don't think MJ was an addict. Yes he was addicted at one point, but that was many YEARS ago and we haven't heard about a drug problem since. The media is unscrupulous when it comes to Michael Jackson, do you really think they would've kept quiet about this if they had any real evidence it was true? Heck, all they need is an offhand remark from a relative and they'd publish an article about it. This didn't happen! that's what makes me think it's a recent fabrication.
100% Agree
And about Mj and his Drug problem..Exactly which “close friends” do you believe? Its seems that MJ has gotten a lot of close rfriends since his death. Some said that they warned him from drugs while others said that they never knew that he even took drugs. Some said he looked healthy while others said he looked sick. Something is deffinately wierd about this whole situation.
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emo_pinkt said:
mjlives said:
Paris was geniune in her expression of her love for Michael, but that's where it ends. Her reaction and that of the other kids' throughout the entire memorial were not those of children who had just lost their father. I'm sorry, unless they're the most mature kids in the world they would've been crying, fidgeting, visibly upset. They were so close to the coffin and yet barely acknowledged it. It's just bizarre!
As for the o2 guy being Michael, yes I agree with you there, it's quite obvious if you study the pictures carefully. Was he high at the time? It's possible. It's also possible however that he was stressed out because he knew he would fake his death and never go ahead with the London concerts. For a person who'd been performing all his life to suddenly realize he'd be free of it must have made his head spin. Maybe that's why he kept saying “this is it”, because he knew, for real, that it was the last time he'd ever be on stage. Even the way he was phrasing it kind of sounded like he was announcing his retirement.
About the drug story: I don't think MJ was an addict. Yes he was addicted at one point, but that was many YEARS ago and we haven't heard about a drug problem since. The media is unscrupulous when it comes to Michael Jackson, do you really think they would've kept quiet about this if they had any real evidence it was true? Heck, all they need is an offhand remark from a relative and they'd publish an article about it. This didn't happen! that's what makes me think it's a recent fabrication.
100% Agree
And about Mj and his Drug problem..Exactly which “close friends” do you believe? Its seems that MJ has gotten a lot of close rfriends since his death. Some said that they warned him from drugs while others said that they never knew that he even took drugs. Some said he looked healthy while others said he looked sick. Something is deffinately wierd about this whole situation.
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