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2:19 pm July 29, 2009
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hi i think that on these ambulance photo was real MJ and may be they didnt hurry and drove wthout sirens cuz he was already died… =((
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2:19 pm July 29, 2009
| elena_v
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hi i think that on these ambulance photo was real MJ and may be they didnt hurry and drove wthout sirens cuz he was already died… =((
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2:20 pm July 29, 2009
| elena_v
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hi i think that on these ambulance photo was real MJ and may be they didnt hurry and drove wthout sirens cuz he was already died… =((
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2:34 pm July 29, 2009
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elena_v said:
i think that in ambulance was real MJ and just may be they didnt hurry ang drove without sirens cuz he was already died????=((
yes, but if he was already dead, then they wouldn´t have tried to suscitate him for more than an hour…
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3:04 pm July 29, 2009
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Post edited 8:06 am – July 30, 2009 by hasil
the emts do not take dead bodies to the hospital. ever. it is not how it works in california. if this said person being mj, was indeed deceased, they would have gotten the lapd there to take a report then called the coroner.
so he must have had a slight pulse.
either way, some one is lying…or shall I say, twisitng the truth.
about everything in this case.
this is a circus. beep.
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5:36 pm July 29, 2009
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And if Dr. Murray somehow “overrode” the EMT's authority on whether to go to the hospital or the morgue, then the EMTs would have to continue with protocol which is to HURRY, not back out like granny's first attempts at backing up the motorhome.
And if Dr. Murray somehow convinced them to take a dead body to the hopital, there's no way he had the authority to override the hospital doctor's to force them to perform resessitation efforts on a dead body for, as announced by our official death death announcer Jermaine Jackson, over an hour.
I mean how did Dr. Murray get to be the highest ranking doctor in all the land?
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7:16 pm July 29, 2009
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If this was Michael in the ambulance then why on the news the paramedics said they didn’t know that it was Michael because the person was so white and looked like an old man. Well explain how the ambulance picture with him he has color in his skin.
Also, remember that the news media said that his skin was paper thin white the day he went to the hospital. Well is it not strange that the ambulance picture tells paints different picture.
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7:27 pm July 29, 2009
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alley said:
If this was Michael in the ambulance then why on the news the paramedics said they didn’t know that it was Michael because the person was so white and looked like an old man. Well explain how the ambulance picture with him he has color in his skin.
Also, remember that the news media said that his skin was paper thin white the day he went to the hospital. Well is it not strange that the ambulance picture tells paints different picture.
Yes and remember the paramedics said he looked like an old man. How old? I mean I'm 49 I don't look old and wrinkly (yet:) Mabye in another 10 yrs lol, but 50 is still “young”
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3:18 am July 30, 2009
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Also Guys something i want to point out, It is really MJ in the ambulance but it is not the 50 yrs old MJ but simply the 36 yrs old MJ in 1995 i when he was taken to the hospital, he was not dead , and they had to give him oxygen, he was semi conscious, and when you are semi concious they give you oxygen and practice C.P.R as you can see mj is frowning, on this picture cause he was feeling uncomfortable,
i guess OK magazine got screwed, i called them about the pic and asked them question, another friends of mine did the same , she sent them the pics with explanation and they got mad i guess cause they never called back not emailed back.
the paramedics were telling the truth, about the old frail skninny and sickly man, but whoever died in that bed it wasn't MJ cause the coroner's is still looking for evidence of what killed MJ this is why i am not jumping to conclusion saying that Propofol killed MJ cause the coroner keeps on delaying the results, and he is still looking for evidence, well !
it is the DEA AND FED OR POLICE TO GO GET THE EVIDENCE at the doctor's office not the coroner, to me if the coroner does the search himself, it is because, the body he autopsied is not MJ but someone else, but they jumped already saying that the doctor confessed,
well ! obviously he didn't cause the coroner is still searching, !
is the coroner still searching for positive id of the body?
cause if it was propofol, and the body was MJ we wouldn't have the coroner looking everywhere for what killed MJ and who the hell is on hill cutting table.
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4:55 am July 30, 2009
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hasil said:
Post edited 8:06 am – July 30, 2009 by hasil
the emts do not take dead bodies to the hospital. ever. it is not how it works in california. if this said person being mj, was indeed deceased, they would have gotten the lapd there to take a report then called the coroner.
so he must have had a slight pulse.
either way, some one is lying…or shall I say, twisitng the truth.
about everything in this case.
this is a circus. beep.
i agree with you when my father died at home the ambulance people left and the police stayed untill coroner arrived to remove body
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11:49 pm July 30, 2009
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The EMTs are in no hurry in this pic, no one is doing CPR on the patient, no IV bag is visible, the back of the gurney is elevated. This combination of factors present indicate the patient in this pic is alive and stable.
It is posible that Dr. Murray is one of the enterouge who's faces we cannot see.
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3:25 am July 31, 2009
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bec said:
The EMTs are in no hurry in this pic, no one is doing CPR on the patient, no IV bag is visible, the back of the gurney is elevated. This combination of factors present indicate the patient in this pic is alive and stable.
It is posible that Dr. Murray is one of the enterouge who's faces we cannot see.
Dr. Murray did according to the news follow Mike in the ambulance but he is not visable in the ambulance pic, sence he is black and the hands “doing CPR” and the man giving oxygen is white neither of them is Murray, he might have been futher back in the ambulance.
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4:24 am July 31, 2009
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it must have been quite crowded in there…
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9:46 am July 31, 2009
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Give.In.To.Me said:
tinydancer said:
i wonder why the ambulance didnt bother to turn around the car so it would leave the property driving forward instead of backwards…?? I mean, while the paramedics were inside picking up MJ…? Couldnt the driver had turned the car around so theyd be able to leave sooner..? UNLESS…they WANTED the car to reverse slowly….cause that buys the paparazzis time to shoot the pics through the window….set up.
ODDLY ENOUGH, THE DRIVEWAY IS A ROUND-ABOUT. TAKE A LOOK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..AsYUtXQDsM
174 monovale Dr, Los Angeles, California 90077
that is the street address there, if you go to google maps you can get a street view of the house, interesting how it also has a back gate, someone mentioned 2 ambulances, maybe one was a decoy in the front with the paps, maybe he snuck out the back
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11:59 am July 31, 2009
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Post edited 5:53 am – August 1, 2009 by StenniZ
I'm not sure, but I think I read about a black vehicle standing on the roundabout, making it impossible for the ambulance to pass.I'll see if I can find that post or any other 'proof' of it. Personally I think they would've backed out the exact same way no matter what. Whether there had been a car, an army of slick dancing zombies or nothing all. In my opinion the ambulance shot was taken years ago. That way whoever is playing this 'hoax' would need to establish credibility for the picture not being an old one, but one taken this year. What better 'proof' is there than to videotape the guy that's (supposedly) taking the picture. For us to believe that the picture was taken on the 25th of June 2009, the photographer had to make sure he was standing in the right position and the right location in relation to the ambulance's side-window, from which he could theoretically have taken this picture. I admit, that a certain degree of credibility was indeed achieved but definitely not proof, because that's certainly not the MJ from 2009 in that ambulance-picture.
I'm not sure what to think about this whole affair, but being a pessimist, I like to think positive and so 'til Halloween I'm sticking to Souza's Movie-theory. To all who are as gripped by this whole 'thing' as I am, I'ld like to say: hang in there. The truth will come out eventually. Be it official or unofficial, pleasant or unsettling, it will come out.
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1:01 pm July 31, 2009
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Post edited 6:04 am – August 1, 2009 by Damion
scMJfan said:
174 monovale Dr, Los Angeles, California 90077
that is the street address there, if you go to google maps you can get a street view of the house, interesting how it also has a back gate, someone mentioned 2 ambulances, maybe one was a decoy in the front with the paps, maybe he snuck out the back
The correct address is: 100 North Carolwood Dr
Here's an aerial video of the house:
http://x17video.com/celebrity_…..s_rent.php
In Google Maps click on “Satellite” on top of the map and zoom in with the slider at the left side. You'll see the (empty) driveway quite well. It doesn't look too big, and it could be quite a task to turn an ambulance if there were staff cars parked all around.
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4:44 pm July 31, 2009
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Damion said:
Post edited 6:04 am – August 1, 2009 by Damion
scMJfan said:
174 monovale Dr, Los Angeles, California 90077
that is the street address there, if you go to google maps you can get a street view of the house, interesting how it also has a back gate, someone mentioned 2 ambulances, maybe one was a decoy in the front with the paps, maybe he snuck out the back
The correct address is: 100 North Carolwood Dr
Here's an aerial video of the house:
http://x17video.com/celebrity_…..s_rent.php
In Google Maps click on “Satellite” on top of the map and zoom in with the slider at the left side. You'll see the (empty) driveway quite well. It doesn't look too big, and it could be quite a task to turn an ambulance if there were staff cars parked all around.
I think the other address is the back gate of the estate if you look at an arieal photo or map you'll see Carolwood runs in front of the house and Monovale is behind it
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4:50 pm July 31, 2009
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Damion said:
Post edited 6:04 am – August 1, 2009 by Damion
scMJfan said:
174 monovale Dr, Los Angeles, California 90077
that is the street address there, if you go to google maps you can get a street view of the house, interesting how it also has a back gate, someone mentioned 2 ambulances, maybe one was a decoy in the front with the paps, maybe he snuck out the back
The correct address is: 100 North Carolwood Dr
Here's an aerial video of the house:
http://x17video.com/celebrity_…..s_rent.php
In Google Maps click on “Satellite” on top of the map and zoom in with the slider at the left side. You'll see the (empty) driveway quite well. It doesn't look too big, and it could be quite a task to turn an ambulance if there were staff cars parked all around.
I think the other address is the back gate of the estate if you look at an arieal photo or map you'll see Carolwood runs in front of the house and Monovale is behind it
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6:51 pm July 31, 2009
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scMJfan said:
I think the other address is the back gate of the estate if you look at an arieal photo or map you'll see Carolwood runs in front of the house and Monovale is behind it
Oh DUH You're right! I haven't even noticed.
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12:29 am August 1, 2009
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They even took the time to put cones in the street. If i'm not mistaking there not even in the actually footage on youtube.
He looks healthy in that picture. MJ even took the time to put on eyeliner and eyelashes.
People on this web site can see that this story with him dying just don’t add up. The media has not yet figure it out. Don’t they have collage degrees? You guys are making them look like pure idiots.
It gives me goose bumps.
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12:33 am August 1, 2009
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331. hmmm….someone said that having a computer in the ambulance is a HIPAA violation. HIPAA didn't exist until 1996, and that image of MJ in the ambulance looks to be from BEFORE 1996, from another time he was transported to the hospital…something to ponder…
Posted at 9:46AM on Jul 26th 2009 by ADifferentThought JUST SEEN THIS IN THE COMMENTS ON TMZ AND THOUGHT IT MAY BE OF SOME USE HERE IF ITS NOT IM SORRY THAT I HAVE WASTED YOUR TIME
That is cause he darker
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12:37 am August 1, 2009
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Post edited 5:50 pm – August 1, 2009 by Almondjoy
Almondjoy said:
flower said:
331. hmmm….someone said that having a computer in the ambulance is a HIPAA violation. HIPAA didn't exist until 1996, and that image of MJ in the ambulance looks to be from BEFORE 1996, from another time he was transported to the hospital…something to ponder…
Posted at 9:46AM on Jul 26th 2009 by ADifferentThought JUST SEEN THIS IN THE COMMENTS ON TMZ AND THOUGHT IT MAY BE OF SOME USE HERE IF ITS NOT IM SORRY THAT I HAVE WASTED YOUR TIME
He is darker. He looked more African American while in the ambulance. More like the 1st pic. I posted.
In the rehearsal pictures he was skinny and pale.
http://artiewayne.files.wordpr…..madman.jpg
http://cdn.picapp.com/ftp/Imag…..H_0355.JPG
http://farm4.static.flickr.com…..6ff74e.jpg
sry for double post.
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12:52 am August 1, 2009
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Not sure if this has been said or not.
Is there any video/picture of the paramedics wheeling MJ out of the front doors of the house and into the ambulance??
Or is there only video of ambulance backing up and then continuing towards the hospital??
There has been so much info on this site, I may have missed it.
Can anyone clear this up?
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1:04 am August 1, 2009
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Give.In.To.Me said:
Daniela said:
Julie said:
I found something…
Paps have been able to took some pics…inside the ambulance…
Take a look please
http://x17online.com/gallery/v…..mp;index=4
OMG! Im really scared now! =(
Don't be scared read this article
http://www.vanityfair.com/cult…..rentPage=2
That’s wayyyyy to dramatize. If that is an actually EMT ambulance that was sent by dispatch and an actual worker took that picture not only would they lose there job but that would kind of be consider Doctor-patient confidentiality and that hospital would get sued.
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5:39 am August 1, 2009
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Ehi guys..I really think that the picture of Michael jackson in ambulance is fake,as most of us already supposed.
1-in the interview the photographer said that it was a long time that he followed Michael jackson,and most of the times was following him in ambulance for diseases(see interview video at “home”area).
The picture taken is obviously a past one..no doubt.I made a comparison with the MJ at reharsals and the one in ambulance.
Look at the hair close to the ears(I don't know how to say in English)..in the ambulance picture it is shaped as Michael in the '80/'90 (see picture attached..it is that Michael!Not the Michael of the rehersals!!).
I am sure that the guy wanted to get money from the scoop,and the only way to do it was to use a past picture taken and sell it.
some of you have osserved that the skin was darker..well..it seems..but it should also be because if you take a picture through dark windows,and then you lighten it up with photoshop,then the skin should appear darker…
but what makes me thing that was a past picture is the shape of the face!He is much younger,less thin than in last year(a bit more puffy at cheeks),the eyebrows are different,and hair besides ears.
Other observation: really the breathing engine that paramedics are using,doesn't really seem to work inside mouth!Isn't it?Isn't it weird placed?
ANd then..c'mon…the ambulance was sure too slow for an emergency!!It seems like they had to proove that a picture had to be taken for making the story look true..also the big man of Michael staff I suppose,he makes believe to protect the privacy of the moment,and then he let the photographers-one at back,one at side- take that picture…have you ever tried to meet Michael,and face his bodyguards..?they really know how to protect him….!!!Here it is just a fake attitude…
Isn't it also a strange coincidence the paparazzi were there at that moment?
FOLLOW THIS LINK http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6805/michaeljacksoninambulan.jpg
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Ehi guys..I really think that the picture of Michael jackson in ambulance is fake,as most of us already supposed.
1-in the interview the photographer said that it was a long time that he followed Michael jackson,and most of the times was following him in ambulance for diseases(see interview video at “home”area).
The picture taken is obviously a past one..no doubt.I made a comparison with the MJ at reharsals and the one in ambulance.
Look at the hair close to the ears(I don't know how to say in English)..in the ambulance picture it is shaped as Michael in the '80/'90 (see picture attached..it is that Michael!Not the Michael of the rehersals!!).
I am sure that the guy wanted to get money from the scoop,and the only way to do it was to use a past picture taken and sell it.
some of you have osserved that the skin was darker..well..it seems..but it should also be because if you take a picture through dark windows,and then you lighten it up with photoshop,then the skin should appear darker…
but what makes me thing that was a past picture is the shape of the face!He is much younger,less thin than in last year(a bit more puffy at cheeks),the eyebrows are different,and hair besides ears.
Other observation: really the breathing engine that paramedics are using,doesn't really seem to work inside mouth!Isn't it?Isn't it weird placed?
ANd then..c'mon…the ambulance was sure too slow for an emergency!!It seems like they had to proove that a picture had to be taken for making the story look true..also the big man of Michael staff I suppose,he makes believe to protect the privacy of the moment,and then he let the photographers-one at back,one at side- take that picture…have you ever tried to meet Michael,and face his bodyguards..?they really know how to protect him….!!!Here it is just a fake attitude…
Isn't it also a strange coincidence the paparazzi were there at that moment?
FOLLOW THIS LINK http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6805/michaeljacksoninambulan.jpg
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8:56 am August 1, 2009
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Go check out my post under general discussion”actual prove that ambulance photo is fake”..oh forgot to mention the door of ambulance must be closed..its dark in the ambulance..Why isn't the light on??
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8:57 am August 1, 2009
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Go check out my post under general discussion”actual prove that ambulance photo is fake”..oh forgot to mention the door of ambulance must be closed..its dark in the ambulance..Why isn't the light on??
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8:57 am August 1, 2009
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Go check out my post under general discussion”actual prove that ambulance photo is fake”..oh forgot to mention the door of ambulance must be closed..its dark in the ambulance..Why isn't the light on??
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11:09 am August 1, 2009
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Give.In.To.Me said:
Post edited 5:46 am – July 27, 2009 by Give.In.To.Me
sunrise said:
Ninanina said:
BASIL said:
is the number 71 ambulance a real ambulance ? another member said mj had his own ambulance ?
Where does this 78 com from?
Ambulance1
Ambulance2, waiting in front of the house (or whatever it does there)
All got the 71 on (?)
I don`t know if this was said before, but look at the window of the backdoor..they`re different.. that`s not the same ambulance..
Hmm, the ambulance at the mansion has almost square shaped windows where as the one at UCLA has what looks like more rectangular shaped. Too bad there isn't a better pic of the ambulance at UCLA, maybe it's just the angle though.
there is no number 71 on the bottom photo..odd
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