Michael Jackson Hoax Death

THE JACKSONOLOGIST said:

I just read that Lee and everyone else who are blabbering about MJ's medical records, drugs he took etc are voilating HIPAA laws which forbids any medical facility from dicussing a persons medical history with anyone….again, I read this somewhere these arent my words.

And how long have they said he's been using Dipravan?

And if the nurse/nutritionist coming out violates HIPPA, then what is up with the LAFD guy refusing to even MENTION Mj's name and saying “the patient” “the patient” “the patient.”  yeah, the patient that may not have even been MJ in the first place.  *eye roll*

http://mjtruth.wordpress.com/2….. 

mjfan said:

jewell said:

mjfan said:

And Jewell, supposedly MJ wanted Diprivan cause he was desperate to sleep. There is no evidence he wanted to hallucinate about sex.  I mean shamone, now. 

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LOL!!!

I didn't say that about the sexual thing… it is in the source that i quoted from!!!

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LOL I know, I'm just saying… in MJ's case this doesn't add up.    Plus it just sounded funny to say MJ wanted Diprivan cause he wanted to hallucinate about sex.   It makes about as much sense as any other story running now.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!! **tears running down face**** CAN”T BREATHE!!!!

Sorry, thats just too funny!!

The fact that people are risking their JOBS is making me wonder if all this is real….unless of course they were paid well enough not to have to work again…..hmmmmm

THE JACKSONOLOGIST said:

And BTW, MJ didnt have to hallucinate about sex…he couldve just called me up and have the real thing!!

Ok…back to subject…

LOL

My words excatly hehe

Finnlady said:

THE JACKSONOLOGIST said:

And BTW, MJ didnt have to hallucinate about sex…he couldve just called me up and have the real thing!!

Ok…back to subject…

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LOL..

I think if someone wants to have hallunations about sex, there are better stuff than Diprivan in the market..

yea…ME!!!

Post edited 5:31 am – July 30, 2009 by portschica81

In response to Jewel's quote about the drug leaving your system quickly being…the reason they used Diprivan and why they waited so long to call 911

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OK…but if he would go to all these extremes, like using an obscure drug that leaves your system quickly, waiting to call 911, etc…then why wouldn't be make sure all the equipment and drugs were out of Jackson's house?  Seems like a pretty sloppy crime scene for someone who was so careful to find the “perfect drug” don't you think?

..sorry pulled the wrong quote the first time…this is edited!

Post edited 6:46 am – July 30, 2009 by jewell

SeeingClues said:

How would Murray have even learned how much of the drug to give? By just trusting what MJ said from past experiences about what the dosage should be?  

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Doctors know what dose to use because they follow the drug manufactures guidelines…

http://www.rxlist.com/diprivan-drug.htm

Induction of General Anesthesia

Adult Patients: Most adult patients under 55 years of age and classified as ASA-PS I or II require 2 to 2.5 mg/kg of DIPRIVAN Injectable Emulsion for induction when unpremedicated or when premedicated with oral benzodiazepines or intramuscular opioids. For induction, DIPRIVAN Injectable Emulsion should be titrated (approximately 40 mg every 10 seconds) against the response of the patient until the clinical signs show the onset of anesthesia. As with other sedative-hypnotic agents, the amount of intravenous opioid and/or benzodiazepine premedication will influence the response of the patient to an induction dose of DIPRIVAN Injectable Emulsion.

THE JACKSONOLOGIST said:

And BTW, MJ didnt have to hallucinate about sex…he couldve just called me up and have the real thing!!

Ok…back to subject…

He could have called anyone up.  But he wasn't like that.  He was a gentleman, which is part of why we love him.

The Truth said:

jewell said:

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Doctors know what dose to use because they follow the drug manufactures guidelines…

http://www.rxlist.com/diprivan-drug.htm

Induction of General Anesthesia

Adult Patients: Most adult patients under 55 years of age and classified as ASA-PS I or II require 2 to 2.5 mg/kg of DIPRIVAN Injectable Emulsion for induction when unpremedicated or when premedicated with oral benzodiazepines or intramuscular opioids. For induction, DIPRIVAN Injectable Emulsion should be titrated (approximately 40 mg every 10 seconds) against the response of the patient until the clinical signs show the onset of anesthesia. As with other sedative-hypnotic agents, the amount of intravenous opioid and/or benzodiazepine premedication will influence the response of the patient to an induction dose of DIPRIVAN Injectable Emulsion.

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Perhaps you want to relay your post to Dr. Con….apparently he forgot all about the manufacturer's guidelines on the morning of June 25…… :/

LOL!!!! 

or he left them in his texas office!

portschica81 said:

Post edited 12:31 pm – July 29, 2009 by portschica81

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In response to Jewel's quote about the drug leaving your system quickly being…the reason they used Diprivan and why they waited so long to call 911

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OK…but if he would go to all these extremes, like using an obscure drug that leaves your system quickly, waiting to call 911, etc…then why wouldn't be make sure all the equipment and drugs were out of Jackson's house?  Seems like a pretty sloppy crime scene for someone who was so careful to find the “perfect drug” don't you think?

..sorry pulled the wrong quote the first time…this is edited!

Seems very sloppy for someone who had plenty of time to “fix” the crime scene. Shoot, he had DAYS to clean it up.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that it there was any incriminating “evidence” at the scene that it was intended to be found. I mean come on, we're all dancing around the subject here.

bec said:

Mjfan: a fake of a fake is not a fraud. This is the case of the Cardiff Giant.

The case of the Cardiff Giant is a fake giant petrified body of a man that was dug up by workers digging a well in the late 1800's. The Giant was buried one year previous by the land owner who told the workers to dig in that location so they would find it. The workers dug up the giant and proclaimed to the world their archeological discovery. The land owner, who planned the hoax all along opened up a roadside attraction and charged admission to see the giant.

P.T. Barnum got wind of this and offered to buy the giant, knowing it was a fake. The Giant's owner refused so Barnum made his own Giant, claimed it was the real Cardiff Giant and also claimed the original was a fake, and put his Giant on display in his museum. This angered the Giant's owner who sued Barnum in court.

The court found that since the original Cardiff Giant was a fake, that Barnum was not lying when he called it a fake. The court ruled that a fake of a fake is not fraud and so therefore Barnum won the case and laughed all the way to the bank.

The way the law works in the US is if a prior court case settles a case in the past, that court case sets a precidense for how those laws are interpretted in future cases. It takes an order of the Supreme Court to overturn a ruling.

So if anyone else ever creates a future version of a “Cardiff Giant” (literal or figurative), and a fake of is it made and touted as genuine, that person cannot be successfully sued for fraud.

Which is incredibly interesting. Because a fraud case could be argued successfully by a good lawyer, if they figured out to draw the parallel to the Cardiff Giant.

The key words are the summary: a fake of a fake is not a fraud.

Okay, so how does this tie into the MJ thing?  I understand the court precedent thing.  And I live in the US.  I just don't understand how this links to the MJ thing.  Maybe I'm slow today.

Also you're trying to say that because PT Barnum made a fake of something that already wasn't real, he wasn't a fraud?  (PT Barnum wasn't?)  But the original guy who made the fake was a fraud, yes?  Again, how does all this tie into Mj or your theories about MJ?

bec said:

I don't have any idea. I just think it's interesting.

But how could “a fake of a fake” apply to MJ?  Because you were saying it like you were trying to build a case for how MJ could have hoaxed his death without facing any criminal charges, lol.

jewell said:

The FDA Issued a Warining on Diprivan/propofol use in 07

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugS…..109357.htm

Dr. John Dombrowski, of the American Board of Anesthesiology, speaking to ABC News, says that the hot – cold feelings in the body could result from someone receiving IV drugs. 

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Didnt that nurse say that when MJ called her he was complaining about hot/cold feelings? I think she's a plant. MJ fired her and there is no way he would have called a nutritionist about diprivan. If he really wanted it he would have known she wouldnt be able to get it.

Here's an article about propofol addiction:

http://www.anesthesiologynews……le_id=7579

Unlike abusers of alcohol or most other substances, propofol addicts are unable to function on the job, said Paul Earley, MD, medical director of the Talbott Recovery Campus, an addiction rehabilitation facility in Atlanta that specializes in treating doctors and other healthcare providers.

“It’s not a subtle drug,” Dr. Earley said. “It’s not like fentanyl or narcotics, where you can be slightly inebriated on the drug and even show up for work. Most of the time, you inject it and pass out.”