Michael Jackson Hoax Death

The more I read the more far-fetched this seems… like they are trying to see how gullible we are.   MJ blasted the press for outrageous stories so this could be revenge.

How would Murray have even learned how much of the drug to give? By just trusting what MJ said from past experiences about what the dosage should be?   I mean if you are off just slightly you die, so I can't believe they were able to do this for a long period of time.

 It seems so beyond anything logical.

And if it did happen, then I've seen everything now!

Post edited 1:49 am – July 30, 2009 by Annieisnotokey

As you say, nothing seems logical.

I'm doubting the use of propofol, as I'm doubting many other aspects of this whole story.

I hope the truth, whatever it maybe, comes out soon.

he could have been lied to and told he was getting intraveneous sedation like Valium when it was really the deadly drug.

I really would like to know what Murray told police for three hours.

Annieisnotokey said:

Post edited 8:49 am – July 29, 2009 by Annieisnotokey

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As you say, nothing seems logical.

I'm doubting the use of propofol, as I'm doubting many other aspects of this whole story.

I hope the truth, whatever it maybe, comes out soon.

Exactly. I just want the truth.

I have heard numerous reports that the diprivan is usually untraceable, it exits the body almost as soon as it has stop being administered?  Not too sure if that is the truth or not but if it is then i cannot see it being in the tox report.  I think if it is then you know it's a bunch of BS especially because they didn't even know about it till several days after his “death” when the nutritionist came out with it.  Surely by then even if it was traceable within a few hours/days it would have left his system by the time they even came to the suspicion it was diprivan.

I honestly don't believe that MJ would put his life at risk like that and in the hands of a Dr. he barely knew, considering he had quite a lengthy history with all his other doctors, whom of which I am sure he would have trusted more than this dude. Not to mention his kids and family meant the world to him, he wouldn't be so reckless and risk not ever seein them again!

I also don't believe that he ever took an anesthisiologist on tour with him either, just can't see it.  They claim to have found the dude that went but we havn't heard a statement from him since that story first came out either.  big pile of BS is all it is.

The FDA Issued a Warining on Diprivan/propofol use in 07

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugS…..109357.htm

AP reports, “An overdose of a sedative like Diprivan can cause a person to stop breathing, leading to a buildup of carbon dioxide in the body that ultimately leads to erratic heartbeat and cardiac arrest.”

IB News finds two years ago the FDA issued an Alert to inform healthcare professionals that several clusters of patients had experienced chills, fever, and body aches shortly after receiving propofol for sedation.  The agency tested several vials in the lots used to treat patients with those symptoms. The tests did not identify any contaminants in the vials.   

Dr. John Dombrowski, of the American Board of Anesthesiology, speaking to ABC News, says that the hot – cold feelings in the body could result from someone receiving IV drugs.  He says the patient risks respiratory failure and the collapse of the heart rate and blood pressure, especially if other painkillers and prescription drugs were involved. 

The toxicology tests, which could take up to eight weeks to conclude, should show what was in the singer’s system at the time of his death. 

ibelieveinmj said:

I have heard numerous reports that the diprivan is usually untraceable, it exits the body almost as soon as it has stop being administered?  Not too sure if that is the truth or not but if it is then i cannot see it being in the tox report.  I think if it is then you know it's a bunch of BS especially because they didn't even know about it till several days after his “death” when the nutritionist came out with it.  Surely by then even if it was traceable within a few hours/days it would have left his system by the time they even came to the suspicion it was diprivan.

I honestly don't believe that MJ would put his life at risk like that and in the hands of a Dr. he barely knew, considering he had quite a lengthy history with all his other doctors, whom of which I am sure he would have trusted more than this dude. Not to mention his kids and family meant the world to him, he wouldn't be so reckless and risk not ever seein them again!

I also don't believe that he ever took an anesthisiologist on tour with him either, just can't see it.  They claim to have found the dude that went but we havn't heard a statement from him since that story first came out either.  big pile of BS is all it is.

Yeah The Diprivan on tour thing is totally ELEPHANT MAN BONES.

I completely agree they did not run with the diprivan story until cheryln came out remember it was addiction to demerol i know b.s when i see it use your brain to think for youself do not let others make you see what they want you to see. Michael's music and actions speak for themselves about what type of human beings he is if you seek the truth you will find it.  

Post edited 9:16 am – July 30, 2009 by jewell

ibelieveinmj said:

I have heard numerous reports that the diprivan is usually untraceable, it exits the body almost as soon as it has stop being administered?  Not too sure if that is the truth or not but if it is then i cannot see it being in the tox report. 

The elimination half-life of propofol has been estimated to be between 2 and 24 hours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol

It will not show in the blood stream , but will be detectable in trace amounts in hair and tissue samples.

This could also be why the Dr. waited to call…. he wanted to make sure large amounts were out of mj's system….

Has anybody considered the possibility that the Dr. may have also been using some sort of drug also or was drinking….

it is very common in the medical field,

maybe he wanted to wait for his system to clear also.?

Post edited 2:32 am – July 30, 2009 by jewell

mjfan said:

jewell said:

Diprivan is reportedly becoming a deadly problem as abuse of the drug increases.

The problem is so severe that the May issue of Anesthesia News highlighted the problem, noting that 1 in 5 anesthesiology residency programs reported at least one case of abuse, reports surgery.About.com.

http://surgery.about.com/b/200…..opofol.htm

There is a narrow margin between a dose that works and a dose that kills.

Death from Diprivan abuse is not unheard of, it is believed that 40% of medical residents who abuse the drug die from an overdose reports surgery.about.com.

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Why would anyone abuse this drug?  There is no benefit.  There is no “high” and you don't get actual “rest.”  I've spoken to several people who have had Diprivan used on them in a hospital setting for surgery and they woke up feeling like shit.  WHY would anyone “abuse” this drug?  I absolutely don't buy it.  No part of it makes sense.

People who abuse a drug receive a perceived benefit.  Usually a “high” or a “numbness” that blocks out emotional pay.  If it's sleep, then they receive actual SLEEP so they feel decent when they wake up.  The only reason to “abuse” Diprivan would be to commit suicide.

Why does anybody abuse any drug?

Drugs affect different people differnet ways….

It is obviously true or the doctors all over america would not be reporting it's abuse…

just do a simple goolge search and you will find tons of info on it!!

I doubt that the doctors reporting it are in on the hoax.

As far as the high…many enjoy it 

^]It can produce mild euphoria, sexual hallucinations, and disinhibition.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol…

(that actually sounds pretty enjoyable!)

jewell said:

Post edited 9:15 am – July 29, 2009 by jewell

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ibelieveinmj said:

I have heard numerous reports that the diprivan is usually untraceable, it exits the body almost as soon as it has stop being administered?  Not too sure if that is the truth or not but if it is then i cannot see it being in the tox report. 

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The elimination half-life of propofol has been estimated to be between 2 and 24 hours.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol

It will not show in the blood stream , but will be detectable in trace amounts in hair and tissue samples.

This could also be why the Dr. waited to call…. he wanted to make sure large amounts were out of mj's system….

Has anybody considered the possibility that the Dr. may have also been using some sort of drug also….

it is very common in the medical field, unfortuanlly…..

maybe he wanted to wait for his system to clear also.?

But I thought anesthesics eliminates just while you were alive… How can a dead body clear nothing inside it?

I don't buy this story.

I think it is a clever hoax designed from the beginning to set the stage.

I think Michael knew that nurse A) wouldn't/couldn't provide the drug and B) was the type that would talk to the media, so he set her up by calling to “beg” for the drug days before he “died”.

Think about it. If MJ has 19 Doctors at his disposal (according to news reports there are 19 Doctors being questioned in conjunction with this circus), he would have no reason to contact a nutritionist NURSE to get this substance.

Nurses CANNOT write scripts anyway!! Nor can they access drugs without a Doctor's conscent.

Diprivan is the Cardiff Giant, Barnum's famous litigation case. A fake of a fake is not a fraud!!

It's actually entirely posible that MJ is betting on the precidence that court case sets in the US legal system. It was found by the court that a fake of a fake cannot be considered fraudulent, so Barnum was found innocent. It was his great vindication. Not only did Barnum prevail, but he proved his rival was a con-man at the same time.

A fake of a fake, as determined by a United States court of law, is NOT a fraud.

This is important somehow but I can't exactly nail it down.

MJ_forever said:

I am doubting about this whole medicine story. Nothing has sense. Every investigation I made for each medicine they report none of it were able to produce the heart attack.

*Use of DIPRIVAN Injectable Emulsion has been associated with both fatal and life- threatening anaphylactic and anaphylactoid reactions.

source pg 4:http://www.rxlist.com/diprivan-drug.htm

*Dr. John Dombrowski, of the American Board of Anesthesiology,  says the patient on Diprivan risks respiratory failure and the collapse of the heart rate and blood pressure, especially if other painkillers and prescription drugs are involved.

if you google side effects and these drugs you fill find several sources from the medical community addressing heart and respiratory problems that have been reported…

many of these doctors can not understand why the FDA hasn't not stopped the drug from being available in certain situations.

At the begnining of all the propofol wasnt even mentioned it was demerol and it was said the doc had injected demerol  an hr prior to hes death…  then the famous propofol came out of no where…. demerol isnt even mentioned anymore

I just read that Lee and everyone else who are blabbering about MJ's medical records, drugs he took etc are voilating HIPAA laws which forbids any medical facility from dicussing a persons medical history with anyone….again, I read this somewhere these arent my words.

And how long have they said he's been using Dipravan?