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12:42 pm July 26, 2009
| Give.In.To.Me
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Post edited 5:46 am – July 27, 2009 by Give.In.To.Me
sunrise said:
Ninanina said:
BASIL said:
is the number 71 ambulance a real ambulance ? another member said mj had his own ambulance ?
Where does this 78 com from?
Ambulance1
Ambulance2, waiting in front of the house (or whatever it does there)
All got the 71 on (?)
I don`t know if this was said before, but look at the window of the backdoor..they`re different.. that`s not the same ambulance..
Hmm, the ambulance at the mansion has almost square shaped windows where as the one at UCLA has what looks like more rectangular shaped. Too bad there isn't a better pic of the ambulance at UCLA, maybe it's just the angle though.
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1:10 pm July 26, 2009
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331. hmmm….someone said that having a computer in the ambulance is a HIPAA violation. HIPAA didn't exist until 1996, and that image of MJ in the ambulance looks to be from BEFORE 1996, from another time he was transported to the hospital…something to ponder…
Posted at 9:46AM on Jul 26th 2009 by ADifferentThought JUST SEEN THIS IN THE COMMENTS ON TMZ AND THOUGHT IT MAY BE OF SOME USE HERE IF ITS NOT IM SORRY THAT I HAVE WASTED YOUR TIME
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1:28 pm July 26, 2009
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Don't aplogise Flower….
Anything of source is of use here, right up till it's discredited or accounted.
I check them all
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Post edited 8:30 am – July 27, 2009 by VanillaCream
I posted that in another thread here. To the blue lines at that pic: it seems that this is blood in a hose.
I don´t know where on earth a CPR works with the hand that close to the left shoulder, but in germany it won´t work!
I´ve learned: 5 pumps on breast (@ the solarplexus if don´t remember false) one respiration mouth to nose/ or mouth. Always 5 to 1.
These paramedics seem to do nothing of that.
And why is there blood in that hose (right word?), I´d like to think that the paramedics wanted to put smth into MJ (Ringer solution…), then why is there blood floating into the hose and so much? If you ever had a infusion you know, that the blood don´t comes into the hose that long distance (argh can´t explain it clear, can´t enough english). And why is blood coming out when MJ is dead as they said (as we can see, there are neither pumping nor respiration actions). Maybe for the dramatical effect?
Uuuh may MJ´s family forgive me for that outrage – if he is really dead.
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3:50 pm July 26, 2009
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Post edited 8:55 am – July 27, 2009 by Kicki
VanillaCream said:
Post edited 3:30 pm – July 26, 2009 by VanillaCream
I posted that in another thread here. To the blue lines at that pic: it seems that this is blood in a hose.
I don´t know where on earth a CPR works with the hand that close to the left shoulder, but in germany it won´t work!
I´ve learned: 5 pumps on breast (@ the solarplexus if don´t remember false) one respiration mouth to nose/ or mouth. Always 5 to 1.
These paramedics seem to do nothing of that.
And why is there blood in that hose (right word?), I´d like to think that the paramedics wanted to put smth into MJ (Ringer solution…), then why is there blood floating into the hose and so much? If you ever had a infusion you know, that the blood don´t comes into the hose that long distance (argh can´t explain it clear, can´t enough english). And why is blood coming out when MJ is dead as they said (as we can see, there are neither pumping nor respiration actions). Maybe for the dramatical effect?
Uuuh may MJ´s family forgive me for that outrage – if he is really dead.
When you reanimate ….then 30x pressure on the heart and 2x mouth to mouth
I wonder why the paramadic had is hand on MJ shoulder….look at this !
http://www.malteser-bodensee.d…..mation.jpg
The hose used to the oxygen saturation in blood.
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Warum ist es der Schlauch dann weiter zum Körper hin durchsichtig und es sieht aus als wäre weniger Blut drin oder ist das eine Lichtsonde (Lichtleiter) und wo wird die angelegt?
Why does it seems as if the hose is transparent (in direction to the body) and as if there is less blood in it? Is that a lightsensor and where is it fixed (dont know the right word sth like that)?
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Okay you´re a nurse: does MJ look as if he´s already dead with that frown and that vein on his forehead most users here see. Is that blue mask at the right place?
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2:13 am July 27, 2009
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VanillaCream said:
Post edited 3:30 pm – July 26, 2009 by VanillaCream
I posted that in another thread here. To the blue lines at that pic: it seems that this is blood in a hose.
I don´t know where on earth a CPR works with the hand that close to the left shoulder, but in germany it won´t work!
I´ve learned: 5 pumps on breast (@ the solarplexus if don´t remember false) one respiration mouth to nose/ or mouth. Always 5 to 1.
These paramedics seem to do nothing of that.
And why is there blood in that hose (right word?), I´d like to think that the paramedics wanted to put smth into MJ (Ringer solution…), then why is there blood floating into the hose and so much? If you ever had a infusion you know, that the blood don´t comes into the hose that long distance (argh can´t explain it clear, can´t enough english). And why is blood coming out when MJ is dead as they said (as we can see, there are neither pumping nor respiration actions). Maybe for the dramatical effect?
Uuuh may MJ´s family forgive me for that outrage – if he is really dead.
GUYS – I just noticed something – there's clear, plastic rounded cup thingie on his cheek. What's that for ?
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Don´t understand what you mean. Paint it at the pic, plz.
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3:28 pm July 27, 2009
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Anyone with the possibility to check license plates (or is actually in LA close to where LAFD squad 71 parks their LAFD vehicles): I stopped the footage of ambulance backing out of the driveway and could read the license plate: 1261551. If this plate is registered to LAFD, the ambulance is a real one (and not owned by MJ). From the last time I was in LA (8 years ago) I remember CA plates had another format (letters & digits) instead of a 7 digit number? Or are these numbers exclusively reserved for LAPD, LAFD etc?
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3:45 pm July 27, 2009
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Post edited 12:15 am – July 29, 2009 by ♪♥ Julie ♥♪
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3:48 pm July 27, 2009
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Post edited 12:15 am – July 29, 2009 by ♪♥ Julie ♥♪
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“I am bewildered at the length to which people will go to portray me so negatively,” –…“The greatest education in the world is watching the masters at work.”…”Before you judge me, try hard to love me”-MJ- Now who can respect that? |
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3:48 pm July 27, 2009
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Julie said:
Anna.K said:
VanillaCream said:
Post edited 3:30 pm – July 26, 2009 by VanillaCream
I posted that in another thread here. To the blue lines at that pic: it seems that this is blood in a hose.
I don´t know where on earth a CPR works with the hand that close to the left shoulder, but in germany it won´t work!
I´ve learned: 5 pumps on breast (@ the solarplexus if don´t remember false) one respiration mouth to nose/ or mouth. Always 5 to 1.
These paramedics seem to do nothing of that.
And why is there blood in that hose (right word?), I´d like to think that the paramedics wanted to put smth into MJ (Ringer solution…), then why is there blood floating into the hose and so much? If you ever had a infusion you know, that the blood don´t comes into the hose that long distance (argh can´t explain it clear, can´t enough english). And why is blood coming out when MJ is dead as they said (as we can see, there are neither pumping nor respiration actions). Maybe for the dramatical effect?
Uuuh may MJ´s family forgive me for that outrage – if he is really dead.
GUYS – I just noticed something – there's clear, plastic rounded cup thingie on his cheek. What's that for ?
This is an oxygen tube :
That's not what I'm talking about, I know what a freaking TUBE is. I'm talking a CUP, a rounded plastic CUP on his CHEEK
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3:49 pm July 27, 2009
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VanillaCream said:
Aus dem anderen Post:
Warum ist es der Schlauch dann weiter zum Körper hin durchsichtig und es sieht aus als wäre weniger Blut drin oder ist das eine Lichtsonde (Lichtleiter) und wo wird die angelegt?
Why does it seems as if the hose is transparent (in direction to the body) and as if there is less blood in it? Is that a lightsensor and where is it fixed (dont know the right word sth like that)?
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Okay you´re a nurse: does MJ look as if he´s already dead with that frown and that vein on his forehead most users here see. Is that blue mask at the right place?
This is a pulsoxymeter…..the cable are in many different colors…..some have earclip….some have fingerclips !
http://www.lifemedicalsupplier…..0NONIN.jpg
Personally i have see a lot of death people….but there look all different….the faces sometimes was blue….white or prick….but sometime the faces are normal bright ! I can't 100% say that Michael is death or alive on this picture .
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3:57 pm July 27, 2009
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Post edited 12:16 am – July 29, 2009 by ♪♥ Julie ♥♪
Hold Me Like The River Jordan And I Will Then Say To Thee You Are My Friend
Carry Me Like You Are My Brother Love Me Like A Mother Would You Be There?
Weary Tell Me Will You Hold Me When Wrong, Will You Skold Me When Lost Will You Find Me?
But They Told Me A Man Should Be Faithful And Walk When Not Able And Fight Till The End But I'm Only Human
Everyone's Taking Control Of Me Seems That The World's Got A Role For Me I'm So Confused Will You Show To Me You'll Be There For Me And Care Enough To Bear Me
(Hold Me) show me (Lay Your Head Lowly) told me (Softly Then Boldly) yeah (Carry Me There) I'm Only Human
(Lead Me) hold me (Love Me And Feed Me) ye yeah (Kiss Me And Free Me) yeah (I Will Feel Blessed) I'm Only Human
(Carry) Carry (Carry Me Boldly) Carry me (Lift Me Up Slowly) yeah (Carry Me There) I'm Only Human
(Save Me) need me (Heal Me And Bathe Me) lift me up, lift me up (Softly You Say To Me) (I Will Be There) I Will Be There
(Lift Me) i'm gonna care (Lift Me Up Slowly) (Carry Me Boldly) yeah (Show Me You Care) Show Me You Care
(Hold Me) whoooo (Lay Your Head Lowly) i git lonly some times (Softly Then Boldly) i git lonly (Carry Me There) yeah yeah carry me there yeah yeah yeah
[Spoken] In Our Darkest Hour In My Deepest Despair Will You Still Care? Will You Be There? In My Trials And My Tripulations Through Our Doubts And Frustrations In My Violence In My Turbulence Through My Fear And My Confessions In My Anguish And My Pain Through My Joy And My Sorrow In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow I'll Never Let You Part For You're Always In My Heart.
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“I am bewildered at the length to which people will go to portray me so negatively,” –…“The greatest education in the world is watching the masters at work.”…”Before you judge me, try hard to love me”-MJ- Now who can respect that? |
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4:06 pm July 27, 2009
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Hey Julie, I love that pic you have of Mj in your signature box. It's unusual.
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4:09 pm July 27, 2009
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Give.In.To.Me said:
Why the hell did they back that ambulance out…the house has a round about driveway!!!
I just wrote this on another thread. Before I realised this thread existed. I absolutely agree with you:
And how slow was that ambulance coming out of those gates? Don't want to be rude to L. A. Ambulance drivers but if that's an example of their driving then I wouldn't fancy getting in an emergency over there. Our Ambulance guys over here drive like loonies – up on pavements, the wrong way down one way streets, you name it they'll do whatever it takes to someone to hospital fast. They'd have been out of those gates like a rocket, and zooming up the road all sirens blazing. Why in hell did that ambulance have to back out of that gate? Isn't there parking space, driveway, or something inside that big old 150,00 dollar a month mansion with all the grounds, where they could have turned the ambulance around, so they could drive out frontways? Did everytime MJ and his entourage leave the mansion – they'd have to drive out backwards? If that was the case I'd have asked for a refund on the rent! Nowhere to turn a vehicle around so you can drive in and out of the gates facing forward?
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4:54 pm July 27, 2009
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Daniela said:
Julie said:
I found something…
Paps have been able to took some pics…inside the ambulance…
Take a look please
http://x17online.com/gallery/v…..mp;index=4
OMG! Im really scared now! =(
Interesting enough, that the screen says “NOT BREATHING AT ALL”, after the caller wasn't asked, whether the patient was breathing.
Let's call the caller – isn't it his cell phone number there?
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4:56 pm July 27, 2009
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Ninanina said:
Daniela said:
Julie said:
I found something…
Paps have been able to took some pics…inside the ambulance…
Take a look please
http://x17online.com/gallery/v…..mp;index=4
OMG! Im really scared now! =(
Interesting enough, that the screen says “NOT BREATHING AT ALL”, after the caller wasn't asked, whether the patient was breathing.
Let's call the caller – isn't it his cell phone number there?
Actually, the caller did state that he was not breathing.
The cell phone number was called – it's been disconnected or changed.
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5:02 pm July 27, 2009
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Anna.K said:
Ninanina said:
Daniela said:
Julie said:
I found something…
Paps have been able to took some pics…inside the ambulance…
Take a look please
http://x17online.com/gallery/v…..mp;index=4
OMG! Im really scared now! =(
Interesting enough, that the screen says “NOT BREATHING AT ALL”, after the caller wasn't asked, whether the patient was breathing.
Let's call the caller – isn't it his cell phone number there?
Actually, the caller did state that he was not breathing.
The cell phone number was called – it's been disconnected or changed.
Oh yes, mixed it up. He wasn't asked, if there was a pulse.
Hope I'm right now
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4:50 am July 28, 2009
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After seeing the footage made by the tourists I know why the ambulance backed out. That big thing couldn't make the round about as there was a big black SUV parked in such way it would obstruct the ambulance. Also, the ambulance was immediately tailed by two other black SUV's exiting, so they must have been waiting head on with the ambulance. Just check out the address in googlemaps or google earth and you'll see the area infront of the house is not that huge to allow too many cars being parked there and still leaving room for an ambulance to freely make a turn there.
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4:54 am July 28, 2009
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wll,sorry a germn video,but u c that on this day they really were really in hurry…could be even the same time when they took the last pic of him….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..QBtjciqVoM
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7:17 am July 28, 2009
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Morgana said:
Hey Julie, I love that pic you have of Mj in your signature box. It's unusual.
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7:33 am July 28, 2009
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Someone already said that it was weird how slowly the ambulance drove. I agree with you. I find it also weird how bad driver the ambulance driver was. I think no-one ambulance driver can really be so bad in backing with the ambulance. Even I could do it better and faster. Hmmm…
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12:26 am July 29, 2009
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Dutch said:
After seeing the footage made by the tourists I know why the ambulance backed out. That big thing couldn't make the round about as there was a big black SUV parked in such way it would obstruct the ambulance. Also, the ambulance was immediately tailed by two other black SUV's exiting, so they must have been waiting head on with the ambulance. Just check out the address in googlemaps or google earth and you'll see the area infront of the house is not that huge to allow too many cars being parked there and still leaving room for an ambulance to freely make a turn there.
If there were only two paramedics then you're right, another vehicle was blocking the turnaround and both were inside attending to the emergency.
But that means the photo is an obvious fake, as the pop reportedly got the shot through the window as the ambulance was driving away and there are two paramedics working on jackson in the shot.
If there were two paramedics and a driver then the driver had (reportedly) 20-30 minutes to manuever turning the ambulance around so once they were ready to load the patient they could leave quickly.
Either way it's BS.
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7:05 am July 29, 2009
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7:05 am July 29, 2009
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1:57 pm July 29, 2009
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hello everybody when i see this photo i do believe that he is really dead cuz on these 2 photo he looks like it is really MJ and its really possible that by the time ambulance came he had already died…that s why no hurry, sirens… =(((
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2:07 pm July 29, 2009
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elena_v said:
hello everybody when i see this photo i do believe that he is really dead cuz on these 2 photo he looks like it is really MJ and its really possible that by the time ambulance came he had already died…that s why no hurry, sirens… =(((
what i don´t get is: one the one hand they are saying that at the arrival of the ambulance MJ was already dead. But after that they tried to resuscitate him for over an hour. No doctor would do that if the person was already dead for about half an hour. And maybe they would´ve tried, but not that long!
on the other hand it is said that he fell into a coma and “died” at the ucla. Wtf? This is really annoying. Every source (like the most reliable source tmz) is saying sth different….
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2:16 pm July 29, 2009
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i think that in ambulance was real MJ and just may be they didnt hurry ang drove without sirens cuz he was already died????=((
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