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8:51 am July 23, 2009
| Give.In.To.Me
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Why the hell did they back that ambulance out…the house has a round about driveway!!!
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8:52 am July 23, 2009
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forgot to mention: the last videotapes of mj house. this stuff could give you much more
clearness to a lot of questions. only one question: why did the ambulance take the reversing..
one should know, which places where setup with cameras..
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8:53 am July 23, 2009
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add: the driver could give some answer..
who will call him ?? ))
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9:00 am July 23, 2009
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One of the reasons they may not have wanted to pronounce him dead at the scene was simply because of
who he was – the greatest entertainer in the world.
No one would want that responsibility,
So although this person in the ambulance may have been technically dead, they were kept “alive” as such
by giving oxygen and CPR,
As we know, they continued the reviving techniques at the hospital.
I don't think anyone would have given up without a fight, because of who he was, and who would want
that responsibility?
This is a damn good thread you've started. And yes both those photos are different and I have felt all along that those
photos could not have been taken at that angle from the road into the ambulance.
Can anyone in the USA check this out by approaching their local Ambulance Dept to test this out for themselves.
And I am sure if they knew why they would give you all the assistance you needed.
God I wish I was there I would do it myself! lol
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9:02 am July 23, 2009
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Here's a theory: Maybe a member of the ambulance staff took the photo for the photographer foillowing a hurried agreement?
Or, a member of the ambulance staff TOOK the photo themselves and SOLD it on to TMZ.
From the first time I saw that photo I had the idea that it was a photo taken on a mobile phone.
I don't know why….
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9:24 am July 23, 2009
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Post edited 2:30 am – July 24, 2009 by well
VanillaCream said:
Post edited 7:47 am – July 23, 2009 by VanillaCream
The red car with ambulance at right side in pic (as you can see there are other cars on the street too): http://up.picr.de/2622020.jpg
Sombebody´s sitting in that car (the driver maybe cleared the street for the ambulance when the ambulance pic of MJ was taken): http://up.picr.de/2622021.jpg
EDIT: the sirens started maybe later unforutnatelly the film´s so short.
Ambulance drives backwards maybe because there were too much cars (in one vid you can see that there are 2 or 3 cars follow the ambulance) in the exit to turn around.
Many maybes huh?
not at all. every maybe makes sense and is a VERY good explanation.
by the way: there is one thing you don't notice:
the guy in the yellow / brown shirt took the picture when the ambulance still was driving BACKWARTS, so it is
not captured in the video.
the guy with the red shirt then ran forward and tried to get a picture, too. but that is not the moment the picture has been taken
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9:43 am July 23, 2009
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Too much of the red car is showing IMO. I donot believe that the pic is real..It looks as though MJ more than one points on his nose. If you look clearly.
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10:11 am July 23, 2009
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emo_pinkt said:
Too much of the red car is showing IMO. I donot believe that the pic is real..It looks as though MJ more than one points on his nose. If you look clearly.
wouldn't be the first time paparazzi made money with a fake pic. but anyway, what would that say except that some paparazzi made money ?
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10:39 am July 23, 2009
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Post edited 3:44 am – July 24, 2009 by CosmoKramer420
This is a copy and paste of my post about the ambulance picture from a few days ago from another thread. I think it might be relevant here..
My post from 7/17/09
I'm really starting to think that the “proof” picture from the interview with the paparazzi is legit. And the same goes for the red car. Because the tourist video shows it all. It shows the yellow shirt standing there, while the ambulance is backing up (picture 1).. Then you see him run over to the side of the ambulance, before the red shirt, while the ambulance is backing up (picture 2, although video does better justsice). While the amulance is backing up, you will notice @ one point, it gets really close to the Red Car (you can't see the red car in the tourist video), which in the end, belongs to Red Shirt, because you can see him getting into it. And if you look at the official ambulance video, towards the end of it, if you pause frame by frame, you can see the Red Shirt running over to the Red Car, the Red Car's window is even open. And after that, you can see that he's filming from inside the car. Then the tourist truck passes by. Also, if you look @ the “proof picture” next to the frame that i froze from the touris video.. you can see that everyone is in the same spot.. Even the security guy has his right arm out in both video's.. and you can see another arm sticking out, which matches up in both pictures.
Here is where the Red Shirt is running to the Red Car (from the ambulance video).. you can see the window open. You can also see him running over to the car in the tourist video, and can conclude he's getting into it. The second picture, you can tell, that he's filming from inside the car.
Everything seems to match up. But idk, what do you guys think ? The picture itself is real.. But the real question is.. was it really MJ?
Here are the links for the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..ju-SRPFHLU - Tourist video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..uXRaJFdmKU - Ambulance Video
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10:53 am July 23, 2009
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Are we forgetting that the windows on the ambulance are tinted, why/how such a light filled pictures? They are photographers and can photoshop anything. Maybe this pic wasnt even taken on June 25th.
In the video, the guard let the camera guy stay and film the backing out of the ambulance, but once the ambulance is backed out and the camera guy tries to run up on the back of the ambulance. The guard blocks the window with his hands. Wouldnt you think as MJs employees, who on a regular deny access to him even from his family, would have hurried these photogs away with MICHAEL JACKSON dying… their interference could slow his transport down. Then there is the 2nd ambulance that is seen moving deeper inside the estate, and the gates closing, once the ambulance with the supposed MJ drives off. Why wouldnt they just follow? Why was there a second ambulance and a fire truck in the first place, they knew from the 911 call, it was one gentlemen…..
How come it took so long for the ambulance to back out, why didnt some staff move the black SUV? That seemed to be blocking or in the way of the ambulance backing out the gates. Also, where are the police? There is always police presence with an ambulance….. Where the hell did the tour bus come from and why isnt everyone on their feets snapping away as this is once again, MICHAEL JACKSON, dying in an ambulance. Where are their stories, they were there during a historical moment. No interviews, no candid photos…. How is it that the approaching street wasnt blocked off and the tour bus pulls in and stops to take photos.
Also if you notice in the video, through the back windows of the ambulance you can see the lights inside come on once they are backed out of the gates and on to the street. If they were applying CPR and trying to resuscitate the whole time from the bedroom, through the house and into the ambulance and on to the hospital. Why were the lights off in the ambulance?…. You cant see in the dark.
Michael has dummies, Lou Forigno blew his spot, when he said that Michael liked to trick the paps by sending decoys in ambulances. Madam Tussades or any other wax company could have very easily made a mannequin for this. This would explain the darker skin tone…. Aslo, this could have been one of the bodies from the UCLA Body donation program….
At the hospital, how were the guards there as he is being ushered into the emergency room doors from the ambulance… Did any of you see any staff hurry off with the ambulance? Where the hell did they come from, I saw the gates close at the estate when the ambulance left. So how did his staff get there to block photogs view? Unless as part of the operation, they were already there waiting in a car or truck.
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10:56 am July 23, 2009
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Except for the fact that the red car is positioned further back from the front gate, which is clear in the last video you posted. The ambulance never backed up that far, and the street was lined with parked cars which rules out him backing up to that postion.
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11:11 am July 23, 2009
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Post edited 4:18 am – July 24, 2009 by CosmoKramer420
Dee said:
Are we forgetting that the windows on the ambulance are tinted, why/how such a light filled pictures?
It's been shown already that the windows tints are not as tinted as everyone thinks.. But nobody seemed to listen.
This is a picture of the same exact type of LAFD ambulance, with an inside view of the side window
This is a picture of the ambulance back windows
Now these are pictures of the same exact ambulance.. from the above pictures.. on the road, with all the doors closed.. what do you see? It appears very well tinted.. When we just saw how clear they really are.
Here is the link to all the other pictures of this LAFD Paramedic Vehicle: http://mikesphotos.us/gallery2…..2009/RA78/
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11:24 am July 23, 2009
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Post edited 4:40 am – July 24, 2009 by StenniZ
Hi everyone,
I'm just an amateur, so I'm afraid I won't be able to give any conclusive evidence, but using Photoshop I layered the two pictures (posted by Anna.K) plus the uncropped picture (posted by ballongiraf) and I just can't seem to get them aligned. This ought to be possible, considering they are all the same picture (at least that's what we're supposed to believe). The only way I can get them to align is, if I distort one of the two pics. The only explanation I can come to is that these are in indeed two pictures, each taken from a slightly different angle. But again, I'm no expert. I'm still trying to save the outcome in a way, that clarifies what I mean. Just haven't found a way yet. What I mean to say is that if I transform (resize) one of the pictures, so that for instance MJ's eyebrows and eyelashes match the ones in the underlying picture, than the paramedics' glove doesn't fit the underlying picture and neither does de balloon through which he's given oxygen. The same goes for several other items, that can be seen in the picture. So the only way I can get the two pics aligned with eachother and/or the uncropped picture is, by transforming either one of them without keeping ratio (in other words distorting the image or changing the perspective). I'm confused even more than I was before and I'm afraid the confusion is only going to get bigger.
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11:52 am July 23, 2009
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sita said:
add: the driver could give some answer..
who will call him ?? ))
LMAO TMZ? :p
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12:12 pm July 23, 2009
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and why is BJ pasted on the top picture? was BJ there?
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12:38 pm July 23, 2009
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oh man I think were getting somewhere
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12:43 pm July 23, 2009
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@ Dee
About the second ambulance: I haven't seen that before. Thought when the shaking of the cam started, it would be over. What's that ambulance doing there? There was only person not well. Did that ambulance pickup the kids so they can enter through the same entrance and not the public one. But it could also be the real Michael is also transported to the hospital in the second ambulance. But that doesn't make sense. Just after his supposed death, there are rumours of hospital staff seeing him in the basement of UCLA. The only reason I can think of is meeting his family that heard the wrong news (imposter, somone else died) and thought it was him.
What's that Fire truck doing there. Doesn't seem necessary when 'a gentleman' has a weak pulse and is not breathing.
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3:03 pm July 23, 2009
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Post edited 8:04 am – July 24, 2009 by Ninanina
Give.In.To.Me said:
Why the hell did they back that ambulance out…the house has a round about driveway!!!
PLEASE – watch the footage of it again!
When the ambulance is directed out, there's one person standing on the right side of the gate.
This person closes the gate a bit more, which doesn't make sence at all!
When the ambulance gets closer to the gate, you can see another car moving in the background – and there's always somebody 'a little bit in the way'.
What's that???
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3:09 pm July 23, 2009
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I don't see any difference in these pic.What point is it suppossed to prove?It was called the last pic of Mj after he died.Didn't the Dr.Murray say when he found Michael he was still warm and had a pulse.Theses guys are trained professionals,if Michael was dead,then he died at the hosiptal.The EMTS can clearly see has a pulse or they were either trying in vain to save an already dead man.
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3:14 pm July 23, 2009
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CosmoKramer420 said:
Post edited 11:18 am – July 23, 2009 by CosmoKramer420
Dee said:
Are we forgetting that the windows on the ambulance are tinted, why/how such a light filled pictures?
It's been shown already that the windows tints are not as tinted as everyone thinks.. But nobody seemed to listen.
This is a picture of the same exact type of LAFD ambulance, with an inside view of the side window
This is a picture of the ambulance back windows
Now these are pictures of the same exact ambulance.. from the above pictures.. on the road, with all the doors closed.. what do you see? It appears very well tinted.. When we just saw how clear they really are.
Here is the link to all the other pictures of this LAFD Paramedic Vehicle: http://mikesphotos.us/gallery2…..2009/RA78/
can i just say, that on tinted windows that from the inside when you look out you cannot tell the windows are tinted. Its the same with the glass they use when they are investigating someone or using a line up to pick a criminal out.
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3:32 pm July 23, 2009
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Post edited 8:38 am – July 24, 2009 by Peace
Considering the red car is in the picture, the guy in the red shirt with the camera would of had to have taken the picture right when the ambulance slowly backed out of the driveway, when you can see him in the video. He would of had to have the camera angled toward the left to capture the red car, but angled right to capture Michael, but he somehow got both in the picture. This still doesn't explain the still of the guy in the yellow shirt videotaping the window, because the ambulance was already long gone and the guy in the red is running back, and there is no guy in a yellow shirt anywhere in the moving video.
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3:55 pm July 23, 2009
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The Man who trying to Revive “Amublance” MJ … is at Michael's Shoulder , not on his lower chest …. and the Man who Pumping the air – should he be having two hands on the Pump? and the average ambulance is small , but you can fit average 5 people in it … the victim – the ambulance team (2 people in the back) - and one of a family member or friend and the driver , of course.
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4:39 pm July 23, 2009
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i wonder why the ambulance didnt bother to turn around the car so it would leave the property driving forward instead of backwards…?? I mean, while the paramedics were inside picking up MJ…? Couldnt the driver had turned the car around so theyd be able to leave sooner..? UNLESS…they WANTED the car to reverse slowly….cause that buys the paparazzis time to shoot the pics through the window….set up.
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11:40 pm July 23, 2009
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that these are actually two pictures of the same moment: great find!
they must have been taken a split second after each other, not a real problem for a modern camera, so yes, it can be done. But didn't the photographer say there was only 1 good picture in the complete set? Don't know, no sound here, just asking / checking up.
there is no coincedence in the presence of this paparazzi at mj's house. I see this question a lot, but let me explain. There are two sorts of paparazzi. One that goes where the news is, so he is there at openings, ceremonies or whatever he hears on his radio / cellphone. The other one follows one celeb around, wherever he/she goes. This paparazzi is one of the last sort: he follows mj. That is his way of making a living. Sometimes they get lucky, take a great pic and are able to sell it big time.
I won't state my opiion here, just want to say: we are the ones creating the paparazzi by needing these pics.
Anyway: the precense is no coicidence, it is his job.
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11:54 pm July 23, 2009
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tinydancer said:
i wonder why the ambulance didnt bother to turn around the car so it would leave the property driving forward instead of backwards…?? I mean, while the paramedics were inside picking up MJ…? Couldnt the driver had turned the car around so theyd be able to leave sooner..? UNLESS…they WANTED the car to reverse slowly….cause that buys the paparazzis time to shoot the pics through the window….set up.
ODDLY ENOUGH, THE DRIVEWAY IS A ROUND-ABOUT. TAKE A LOOK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..AsYUtXQDsM
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1:03 am July 24, 2009
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i am wondering why……..IN the uncropped pic….where you can see a gauge..in the background in ambulance….what is that for? is it blood presure?? or/it looks alike a air gauge….is that for oxygen?
why is it at 0? and not being used in a life and death situation?
any emts out there?/can you answer this?
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AND WHY …(ahem)
WHY?…………
IS THE EMT DOING COMPRESSIONS WITH ONE HAND????
and the other emt just holding the air bag…its not compressed either…..or/could / was this just the moment of they both 'let up' for a sec to read another monitor or ???
………..um………..??
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10:02 am July 24, 2009
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murder theory: what if the murder was on this car?
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1:09 pm July 24, 2009
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Ok so another angle of the ambulance shows the black SUVs of his staff following, its like 2 cars deep. It still doesnt show the second ambulance that stayed behind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
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2:02 pm July 24, 2009
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Was it a mere coincidence that the tour bus was there? If people on the tour bus hadnt filmed the ambulance leaving, all we'd have would be that one pic of MJ in the ambulance. Without the footage, it surely would've been even more suspicious that someone managed to get a shot of a supposed dead MJ?
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