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3:33 pm July 29, 2009
| darkfeather
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Post edited 8:38 am – July 30, 2009 by darkfeather
I am just thinking here of what I would do if I was in the shoes of dr. Murray and was about to:
- really wanting to kill MJ (murder) or
- trying to look like a stupid doctor (if so then it's a hoax)
- or being just a bad doctor (manslaughter)
To pick the right 'number' we need also some medical information which I provide in some url links:
- He was giving him chest compressions while he was not breathing.
But the following article shows that is not the correct procedure, he should have administered positive pressure ventilation (like mouth to mouth) instead of the chest compressions:
http://firstaid.about.com/b/20…..-death.htm
Also he didn't even do the chest compressions the right way: he used just one arm and put him on a bed while this should be done on the floor.
Was this because the doctor was more concerned to damage Michael's ribs because Michael was in perfect health (2)? It is known with chest compressions ribs may get broken, but that's better than that the patient dies of course. Or did dr. Murray really wanted to kill him (1)? Would you kill someone like this if you were a doctor? I wouldn't, it would make you suspicious for even manslaughter! Or was he really a bad doctor (3)? That bad? My upinion: the number 2, trying to look like a moron doctor.
- The doctor did not give him Nalaxone apparently, otherwise MJ would be still living
if the doctor would just have given a quick look at Michael's pupils he would confirm opiate use and give him Nalaxone:
http://firstaid.about.com/od/m…..s_Kill.htm
According to this info and in this case it would be very unlikely that the dr. Murray would have overlooked this. Even I knew of the story about MJ's drug abuse. Is this how you would kill a person if you were a doctor? A quick look in the eye: it's such a standard procedure, unlikely the doctor would be so terribly stupid. He would have been caught immediately (manslaughter) like this don't you think so? Or didn't he do this because there was no case of opiate use? How would have MJ died then? Did he die at all then? Again, to me it's the number 2: trying to look like a stupid doctor. But of course, that's your decission.
Look further an interesting medical article about the bad medical care of Michael Jackson, why would he MJ pay 150.000 dollar a month for this doctor:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..21994.html
Looking from a media kind of perspective you say he is murdered. But if you look really closely it looks more like a hoax to me… There must be much better ways, well at least better than this, to kill a man when you are a doctor without making yourself suspicious. It depends on how much opiate they find in his brain (or who's brain it is, if there is a body at all) to get dr. Murray arrested. I bet he won't be arrested because it's a hoax and they won't go that far in this.
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3:36 pm July 29, 2009
| MyBelovedMJ
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darkfeather said:
I am just thinking here of what I would do if I was in the shoes of dr. Murray and was about to:
- really wanting to kill MJ (murder) or
- trying to look like a stupid doctor (if so then it's a hoax)
- or being just a bad doctor (manslaughter)
To pick the right 'number' we need also some medical information which I provide in some url links:
- He was giving him chest compressions while he was not breathing.
But the following article shows that is not the correct procedure, he should have administered positive pressure ventilation (like mouth to mouth) instead of the chest compressions:
http://firstaid.about.com/b/20…..-death.htm
Also he didn't even do the chest compressions the right way: he used just one arm and put him on a bed while this should be done on the floor.
Was this because the doctor was more concerned to damage Michael's ribs because Michael was in perfect health (2)? It is known with chest compressions ribs may get broken, but that's better than that the patient dies of course. Or did dr. Murray really wanted to kill him (1)? Would you kill someone like this if you were a doctor? I wouldn't, it would make you suspicious for even manslaughter! Or was he really a bad doctor (3)? That bad? My upinion: the number 2, trying to look like a moron doctor.
- The doctor did not give him Nalaxone apparently, otherwise MJ would be still living
if the doctor would just have given a quick look at Michael's pupils he would confirm opiate use and give him Nalaxone:
http://firstaid.about.com/od/m…..s_Kill.htm
According to this info in this case it would be very unlikely that the dr. Murray would have overlooked this. Even I knew of the story about MJ's drug abuse. Is this how you would kill a person if you were a doctor? A quick look in the eye: it's such a standard procedure, unlikely the doctor would be so terribly stupid. He would have been caught immediately (manslaughter) like this don't you think so? Or didn't he do this because there was no case of opiate use? How would have MJ died then? Did he die at all then? Again, to me it's the number 2: trying to look like a stupid doctor. But of course, that's your decission.
Look further an interesting medical article about the bad medical care of Michael Jackson, why would he MJ pay 150.000 dollar a month for this doctor:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..21994.html
Looking from a media kind of perspective you say he is murdered. But if you look really closely it looks more like a hoax to me… There must be much better ways, well at least better than this, to kill a man when you are a doctor without making yourself suspicious. It depends on how much opiate they find in his brain (or who's brain it is, if there is a body at all) to get dr. Murray arrested. I bet he won't be arrested because it's a hoax and they won't go that far in this.
Im sorry. But that question was kinda odd to me
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3:38 pm July 29, 2009
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I'd go for option 3.
The guy was getting paid £150,000 dollars a month. I don't think he'd deliberately want to kill the guy paying his wages do you?
From the accounts coming in, Conrad Murray wasn't all that great a doctor anyways. The only thing he was willing to do, was use an anaesthetic he shouldn't have been using, and it looks like he might have fallen asleep on the job.
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3:39 pm July 29, 2009
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MyBelovedMJ said:
Im sorry. But that question was kinda odd to me
Me too. I had to look twice at the question
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3:45 pm July 29, 2009
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Granted, the thread's name is weird, but the post makes sense.
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3:51 pm July 29, 2009
| BellaFiga
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I would put them on an extremely long National Health Service waiting list.
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3:53 pm July 29, 2009
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BellaFiga said:
I would put them on an extremely long National Health Service waiting list.
LOL! Too true.
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3:57 pm July 29, 2009
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The Post makes absolute sense …. the Question is kinda off to ask about … but I will say choice #3 is best run for your money.
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3:57 pm July 29, 2009
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BellaFiga said:
I would put them on an extremely long National Health Service waiting list.
hahaha! But then again at least we don't have to pay .. and our ambulance drivers can drive a helluva lot faster than the ones in L.A!
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4:04 pm July 29, 2009
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trouble is, once you get to the hospital in England, you get dumped on a trolley for hours. That's a gurney, for our US viewers.
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4:08 pm July 29, 2009
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True lol! But at least you'd get to the trolley fast. Up on pavements, wrong way up the dual carriageway lol. Don't matter if you've only broken your toe the Brit paras would do a Stig just for the hell of it. I never seen such crap driving as those guys backing that ambulance out of MJ's driveway! Emergency? What emergency? It's only the King of Pop in the back folks!
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4:13 pm July 29, 2009
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maybe they didn't want to get a speeding ticket.
When I broke my toe I drove myself to hospital and then limped into A&E. They did bugger all!
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4:19 pm July 29, 2009
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I broke my toe walking barefoot in the kitchen and whacked it on the radiator. The toe was sticking off at right angles and I passed out at the sight of it lol! My kids called an ambulance and the drive to the hospital was scarier than the right angled toe. I nearly sh*t meself they drove so fast. It was like summat out of the Sweeney! I nearly nodded off watching that video of that ambulance coming out of his gates, it took them so long. I was lucky, as it was a quiet night in A & E and I got it fixed fast. I say fixed … the bloke just yanked the right angled digit back into position so hard I nearly passed out again lol. That was it. I had to get a cab home!
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4:20 pm July 29, 2009
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Whoooooa! That sounds painful. I broke mine kicking my daughter's potty, believe it or not.
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4:25 pm July 29, 2009
| BellaFiga
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I think we should start a thread: How Did You Break Your Toe?
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4:25 pm July 29, 2009
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BellaFiga said:
Whoooooa! That sounds painful. I broke mine kicking my daughter's potty, believe it or not.
Better than kicking the bucket, like poor old MJ. If he has kicked the bucket that is.
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4:26 pm July 29, 2009
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4:27 pm July 29, 2009
| Puzzled
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BellaFiga said:
I think we should start a thread: How Did You Break Your Toe?
It wouldn't be any dafter than some of the threads on here. I say that in a nice way of course. Methinks we might be straying very slightly off topic here lol! Now where was we? Oh yeah the doc. I'm sticking with option 3.
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4:31 pm July 29, 2009
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yup 3. I'm guessing Dr Wotsit plugged MJ into his IV and settled down with a copy of Middlemarch and fell asleep. As you do. When looking after A list drug-abusers. Dr Wotsit tried staying awake by counting the post-its on the wall but the heat from the gas fire sent him to sleep. It wasn't his fault! If MJ had worked out how to turn the heating off, Dr Wotsit would not have fallen asleep over his book and all would be well.
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4:38 pm July 29, 2009
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Love it! I think you just solved the case. Then there's also the the fact if the Doc had had a couple of them energy drinks he's been plugging, he might have stayed awake long enough to realise the King of Pop was in trouble.
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4:40 pm July 29, 2009
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I have solved the case. I am brilliant.
Yes, being a doctor, he should have at least had some pro-plus on him. Or something.
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4:46 pm July 29, 2009
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Cheers BellaFiga! Can you also help me out with something else and that is why the hell those ambulance drivers had to back that thing out of the gates? And do it so slowly? That mansion was costing MJ a fortune a month and they're telling us there wasn't enough room in the grounds to turn an ambulance around so's they could drive out frontways? Did MJ and his entourage have to back their limos in and out every time they left? I'd have demanded a refund on the rent if that was the case.
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4:49 pm July 29, 2009
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No wing mirrors. And there was a big yellow dog sitting in the road. And the driver was blindfolded. Oh and it only went in reverse.
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4:58 pm July 29, 2009
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Rachel said:
MyBelovedMJ said:
Im sorry. But that question was kinda odd to me
Me too. I had to look twice at the question
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Hmmm odd question!!
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4:59 pm July 29, 2009
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Puzzled said:
Cheers BellaFiga! Can you also help me out with something else and that is why the hell those ambulance drivers had to back that thing out of the gates? And do it so slowly? That mansion was costing MJ a fortune a month and they're telling us there wasn't enough room in the grounds to turn an ambulance around so's they could drive out frontways? Did MJ and his entourage have to back their limos in and out every time they left? I'd have demanded a refund on the rent if that was the case.
ive seen the house
wasnt it a circular driveway like you go in coming out the was the ambulance backed in that manor they could have jus driven around taking the 10 min they wasted
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5:00 pm July 29, 2009
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maybe the other gate was locked and in the general panic they couldn't find the keys so it was easier to back out.
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5:01 pm July 29, 2009
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BellaFiga said:
yup 3. I'm guessing Dr Wotsit plugged MJ into his IV and settled down with a copy of Middlemarch and fell asleep. As you do. When looking after A list drug-abusers. Dr Wotsit tried staying awake by counting the post-its on the wall but the heat from the gas fire sent him to sleep. It wasn't his fault! If MJ had worked out how to turn the heating off, Dr Wotsit would not have fallen asleep over his book and all would be well.
i dont think that was funny but i laughed…”If MJ had worked out how to turn the heating off, Dr Wotsit would not have fallen asleep over his book and all would be well.”
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Omg..How Adorable is He!! |
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5:02 pm July 29, 2009
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you never know, I might have hit the nail on the head!
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5:04 pm July 29, 2009
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BellaFiga said:
yup 3. I'm guessing Dr Wotsit plugged MJ into his IV and settled down with a copy of Middlemarch and fell asleep. As you do. When looking after A list drug-abusers. Dr Wotsit tried staying awake by counting the post-its on the wall but the heat from the gas fire sent him to sleep. It wasn't his fault! If MJ had worked out how to turn the heating off, Dr Wotsit would not have fallen asleep over his book and all would be well.
LOL!!! tooo funny!
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5:06 pm July 29, 2009
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And have you seen the place? It was a sodding CHATEAU with 13 bathrooms. And it had a gas fire?????
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