Michael Jackson Hoax Death

bec said:

In the 911 tape, the caller says “they are pumping him but he's not responding to anything”.

Now, this has never been mentioned, but I have never EVER heard anyone refer to CPR as “PUMPING”.

Not to mention but if MJ has a weak pulse as Dr. Murray attested, CPR should not be done at all. Mouth to mouth, yes, for someone not breathing, but CPR, no. It could damage the heart. You learn that in grade school.

Secondly, if you review the 911 tape, the 911 dispatcher is the first to say MJ is unconscious. It's almost as if he is leading the caller in the script, reminding him what to say. The caller says he is not breathing, then the 911 dispatcher responds by saying “ok he is unconscious and he is not breathing”, to which the caller responds, “no he is not conscious sir”.

Now, unconscious and not breathing do not go hand in hand with a medical emergency. The 911 dispatcher at this time does not know if the person has a pulse or not so assuming the patient is not conscious would be quite cavalier of a 911 operator. They are supposed to gather information, not assume.

I thought “pumping” was an odd choice of words as well. It's not something that I would associate with CPR.

Good call on the unconscious thing. I never really noticed that before but it is like he is leading him into it. I'm not sure about the authanticity of the call. I saw an interview somewhere with a 911 dispatch officer who said that the call was “100% real” but it doesn't seem genuine.

maybe they were pumping his stomach?

Post edited 4:01 am – July 30, 2009 by mjfan

Well not breathing DOES mean unconscious so it's a little redundant for him to say it.  YOu can be unconscious but still be breathing (like when someone faints), but you can't be not breathing and be conscious.  So by saying he's not breathing OBVIOUSLY he's saying he's unconscious.

The problem is that the 911 operator doesn't confirm whether or not the guy has a pulse but starts talking about CPR. Unconscious and not breathing doesn't mean no pulse.  But he just skips RIGHT OVER fidning out about the pulse to talk about CPR.  You HAVE to ask about a pulse in order to know if you need to advise mouth-to-mouth or CPR.

mjfan said:

jewell said:

Post edited 10:42 am – July 29, 2009 by jewell

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“pumping” is the word that they teach you in CPR classes….

http://depts.washington.edu/le…..ckcpr.html

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If the caller had been to CPR classes, wouldn't he know MJ should be on the floor and not the bed?  He doesn't seem informed enough to know that jargon.

That's what I thought afer reading the above post as well.

Post edited 4:30 am – July 30, 2009 by MyBelovedMJ

bec said:

In the 911 tape, the caller says “they are pumping him but he's not responding to anything”.

Now, this has never been mentioned, but I have never EVER heard anyone refer to CPR as “PUMPING”.

Not to mention but if MJ has a weak pulse as Dr. Murray attested, CPR should not be done at all. Mouth to mouth, yes, for someone not breathing, but CPR, no. It could damage the heart. You learn that in grade school.

Secondly, if you review the 911 tape, the 911 dispatcher is the first to say MJ is unconscious. It's almost as if he is leading the caller in the script, reminding him what to say. The caller says he is not breathing, then the 911 dispatcher responds by saying “ok he is unconscious and he is not breathing”, to which the caller responds, “no he is not conscious sir”.

Now, unconscious and not breathing do not go hand in hand with a medical emergency. The 911 dispatcher at this time does not know if the person has a pulse or not so assuming the patient is not conscious would be quite cavalier of a 911 operator. They are supposed to gather information, not assume.

You are completely right.

That 911 call, is totally wrong. I mean my 3 year old daugther could have done a better job, thats all im saying.

And if you listen to that 911 call once again, after the dispatcher Is saying ” Lets get him to the floor” WTF. Why was he not on the floor in the 1st place.

ANYONE knows that you have to do CPR on a hard surface OMG LOL

Anyway what i was wondering after the dispatcher said that thing with getting him on the floor, SUDDENLY out of nowhere a voice is saying “Just a minute now”. again WTF.

Who said that? It was NOT the caller, and it was NOT the dispatcher. So I would like to know who that person is. It just got to me, i found that weird.

AND why the hell would they wait another minute, like the havent been waiting long enough.

And that dispatcher how stupid was he I mean he asks:

Dispatcher ” Is he breathing?”

Caller “no sir”

Disptacher “Is he conscious”

Caller “no sir”

Dispatcher ” So hes not breathing, and hes not conscious?” WTF what kind of stupid question is that, he just answered you dammit

There is NOWAY in a million years i would be that calm, if i had been the caller, and i have worked for Michael (or anyone) I would have been screeming tottaly crazy on the phone, i would have been hysterical, but all this caller did was to say “please sir” and “okey” a couple of times.

OH MY GOD. Who the hell hired those people?

I am almost to think that the 911 call is completely fake.

Rachel said:

bec said:

In the 911 tape, the caller says “they are pumping him but he's not responding to anything”.

Now, this has never been mentioned, but I have never EVER heard anyone refer to CPR as “PUMPING”.

Not to mention but if MJ has a weak pulse as Dr. Murray attested, CPR should not be done at all. Mouth to mouth, yes, for someone not breathing, but CPR, no. It could damage the heart. You learn that in grade school.

Secondly, if you review the 911 tape, the 911 dispatcher is the first to say MJ is unconscious. It's almost as if he is leading the caller in the script, reminding him what to say. The caller says he is not breathing, then the 911 dispatcher responds by saying “ok he is unconscious and he is not breathing”, to which the caller responds, “no he is not conscious sir”.

Now, unconscious and not breathing do not go hand in hand with a medical emergency. The 911 dispatcher at this time does not know if the person has a pulse or not so assuming the patient is not conscious would be quite cavalier of a 911 operator. They are supposed to gather information, not assume.

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I thought “pumping” was an odd choice of words as well. It's not something that I would associate with CPR.

Good call on the unconscious thing. I never really noticed that before but it is like he is leading him into it. I'm not sure about the authanticity of the call. I saw an interview somewhere with a 911 dispatch officer who said that the call was “100% real” but it doesn't seem genuine.

Hmmmm, nobody in the media is questioning MJ's death and everything around it, so why should that dispatch officer say that?

(wow, 2+1=?? that's a hard one!)

All of this just sounds too suspicious i don't know guys there are too many loop holes and not enough explanations.

You are completely right.

That 911 call, is totally wrong. I mean my 3 year old daugther could have done a better job, thats all im saying.

And if you listen to that 911 call once again, after the dispatcher Is saying ” Lets get him to the floor” WTF. Why was he not on the floor in the 1st place.

ANYONE knows that you have to do CPR on a hard surface OMG LOL

Anyway what i was wondering after the dispatcher said that thing with getting him on the floor, SUDDENLY out of nowhere a voice is saying “Just a minute now”. again WTF.

Who said that? It was NOT the caller, and it was NOT the dispatcher. So I would like to know who that person is. It just got to me, i found that weird.

“just a minute now” …. it could be MJ, don't you think? or am I going crazy..? and what is it suppose to mean? jut a minute now and I'm ready? or what? I'm going crazy…

The 911 call sounds too fake to me … someone was talking in the background – 2 people I think and the Bodyguard was too calm and collected for someone calling for someone else having a cardiac arrest …. and CPR on a Bed ??? hello , the person is supposed to be on the flat floor ….

Post edited 6:48 am – August 2, 2009 by Give.In.To.Me

double post

Exactly, ishealive: woman, i said it here in an older post. I think the clear to hear – its a woman.

But i only heard.