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11:45 am
July 19, 2009
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curious_george
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I was watching Nancy Grace on CNN last evening and they were discussing the MJ case. It was mentioned that investigators are searching for missing home surveillance tapes; tapes that would likely “show” what took place on that fateful day. It was also mentioned that investigators found that areas of the house had been “cleaned” – giving the appearance that someone was trying to cover up them finding something. These 2 points are very interesting and suspicious; obviously someone (or some people) were trying to cover-up/hide something; a real death? a hoax?
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11:49 am
July 19, 2009
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DawneVee
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Yeah, those tapes will likely be never seen again.
I wonder who took them. Doc Murray? Michael? A body guard? LaToya? Janet?
Ever played the board game Clue ? This 'death' kind of reminds me of that game. So many lies, so many secrets, so many unanswered questions and we are all trying to find the answers to them.
You see, if the police had actually treated this as a crime scene on June 25th and didn't allow anyone in the house till they dusted for fingerprints, etc…there may have been more answers.
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“With such confusion don’t it make you wanna scream
You bash abusing victimize within the scheme
You try to cope with every lie they scrutinize
Somebody please have mercy cause I just can’t take it ”
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11:52 am
July 19, 2009
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This adds up to the fact something in this case is very wrong. They try to hide something/someone.
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11:54 am
July 19, 2009
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bec
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That is definatly odd. Geraldo Rivera also reported on the missing tapes. Not only is the tape from the bedroom missing but also security camera footage from the grounds outside the home around the time of the “death” are also gone. Additionally, all survelience footage that gets auto downloaded into the home computer system was erased from the hardrive. LAPD have seized the computers. Points to an inside job…
Does this missing footage simply record the events of the “death” and comings and goings of the Doctor around the time of the “murder”? Or does it record MJs escape and the switch with the “ambulance man”?
I say Dr. Murray didn't work for MJ long enough to have access to the security video much less the hardrive of MJs computer and would have pulled off the crime of the century if he enlisted “inside” help to accomplish the coverup.
I say, it is much more likely MJ did this himself. MJ could pull this off. He had the money to pay people off to keep it a secret, the knowledge of his own security cameras to cover his tracks by removing the tape evidence, and the means to make a clean escape.
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11:59 am
July 19, 2009
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bec
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As far as whether the missing tapes point to cover up of murder or coverup of a faked death, the answer lies in a motive.
What does Dr. Murray have to gain by murdering MJ and then covering it up?
Nothing, except a legal nightmare and loss of employment on top of it.
What does MJ have to gain by faking his death?
Everything. Escaping his crazy insanity of a “life”, ensuring a future for his children, reinstoring his legacy to it's former brilliance, escaping mountians of debt, having the last laugh on the media as they run with the fake story, and simultaneously orchestrating the greatest comeback of all time.
The key in the truth is motive.
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What do you think about that, Give.It.To.Me? |
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12:01 pm
July 19, 2009
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DawneVee
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Good catch bec. 
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“With such confusion don’t it make you wanna scream
You bash abusing victimize within the scheme
You try to cope with every lie they scrutinize
Somebody please have mercy cause I just can’t take it ”
– Scream — Michael and Janet Jackson |
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12:14 pm
July 19, 2009
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bec said:
As far as whether the missing tapes point to cover up of murder or coverup of a faked death, the answer lies in a motive.
What does Dr. Murray have to gain by murdering MJ and then covering it up?
Nothing, except a legal nightmare and loss of employment on top of it.
What does MJ have to gain by faking his death?
Everything. Escaping his crazy insanity of a “life”, ensuring a future for his children, reinstoring his legacy to it's former brilliance, escaping mountians of debt, having the last laugh on the media as they run with the fake story, and simultaneously orchestrating the greatest comeback of all time.
The key in the truth is motive.
false
mj had nothing to gain by his death except money (that he had anyway) he lived a silent life til march and couild have done so for years
murray could be hired by aeg live and definitely needed the money. he can now afford the best lawyers and won't be sentenced in the end
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12:23 pm
July 19, 2009
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blackberry
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we are spending our sunday as detective here. 
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12:39 pm
July 19, 2009
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AliaX
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if it was murder, it's logical the tapes be stolen.
if it was hoax, it's not logical. System surveillance should be stopped before anything. to stop the cameras should have been the first step before start the hoax. I am afraid…:(
Or, maybe, is a part of scenario, do so as to suggest a crime…too complicated for my mind, but, probably, very normal.
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12:43 pm
July 19, 2009
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martha
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well said:
bec said:
As far as whether the missing tapes point to cover up of murder or coverup of a faked death, the answer lies in a motive.
What does Dr. Murray have to gain by murdering MJ and then covering it up?
Nothing, except a legal nightmare and loss of employment on top of it.
What does MJ have to gain by faking his death?
Everything. Escaping his crazy insanity of a “life”, ensuring a future for his children, reinstoring his legacy to it's former brilliance, escaping mountians of debt, having the last laugh on the media as they run with the fake story, and simultaneously orchestrating the greatest comeback of all time.
The key in the truth is motive.
false
mj had nothing to gain by his death except money (that he had anyway) he lived a silent life til march and couild have done so for years
murray could be hired by aeg live and definitely needed the money. he can now afford the best lawyers and won't be sentenced in the end
both of you have some very good points there. it could be either way. still i think if Michael faked his death its not to live the peaceful life coz as you mentioned he could have had one if he wanted. it must have been other reasons…
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12:58 pm
July 19, 2009
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curious_george
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AliaX said:
if it was murder, it's logical the tapes be stolen.
if it was hoax, it's not logical. System surveillance should be stopped before anything. to stop the cameras should have been the first step before start the hoax. I am afraid…:(
Or, maybe, is a part of scenario, do so as to suggest a crime…too complicated for my mind, but, probably, very normal.
However, if you're going to commit a hoax and you're doing so within a home that's known to have 24/7 surveillance, would you really want to stop the taping at any point, wouldn't that look suspicious? Wouldn't it be better to have someone “take” all of the tapes and any evidence so that you can give the appearance of something sinister having happened? It would be difficult for anyone to explain why all taping would have stopped at a certain point………….but easier to raise suspicion of something untoward if tapes and evidence are mysteriously “missing” — then you can raise suspicion that some kind of foul play must have occurred and those responsible are trying to hide it/cover it up.
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12:59 pm
July 19, 2009
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bec
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His life was anything but peaceful. TMZ has videos of him leaving Dr. Klein's office mobbed by media last April. The MJ phenominon still existed, really it never died. He was followed everywhere he went to his “dying” day.
You do have a point that the survelience would have been stopped if it was a hoax but who knows? Surely MJ knows survelience would have been checked in the course of any investigation. Stopping the feed would have made the hoax “obvious”. Taking the tapes after the fact leaves nothing but questions behind.
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What do you think about that, Give.It.To.Me? |
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1:22 pm
July 19, 2009
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AliaX
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hm… George, do you think is easier to volatilize tapes and delete HDD under police nose than to produce a simple fault? I know it is more credible if is more complicated, but is more risky too
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1:26 pm
July 19, 2009
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curious_george
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AliaX said:
hm… George, do you think is easier to volatilize tapes and delete HDD under police nose than to produce a simple fault? I know it is more credible if is more complicated, but is more risky too
You make a good point. It would be a lot riskier to try and erase HD evidence than to just not have it to begin with…….but maybe there was no evidence because they WOULD HAVE stopped all taping *and* they also appeared to have erased stuff + hid tapes?
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1:51 pm
July 19, 2009
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AliaX
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wow … I am overwhelmed. In this case, Michael must be planned only the moment of tapes over 2 years…too
hallucinating screenplay
He had need a scenario simple, fast, safely and extremely effective…everything is simple could be impeccably, therefore convincing…I think we ended up too complicated … we should look at things in their simplicity, there is the solution of enigma.
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1:56 pm
July 19, 2009
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bec
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curious_george said:
AliaX said:
hm… George, do you think is easier to volatilize tapes and delete HDD under police nose than to produce a simple fault? I know it is more credible if is more complicated, but is more risky too
You make a good point. It would be a lot riskier to try and erase HD evidence than to just not have it to begin with…….but maybe there was no evidence because they WOULD HAVE stopped all taping *and* they also appeared to have erased stuff + hid tapes?
This makes sense. How do we know there are tapes to be missing in the first place? Maybe the filming was indeed stopped. All they know is that the house and grounds are under constant survelience, but the moment of MJs “death” does not exist on the tapes or the hardrive.
Perhaps a conclusion was jumped to that they are missing” when in fact the camera was turned off so they never existed in the first place.
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