Michael Jackson Hoax Death

Hi All

I posted originally to the “Do You believe” area back in June, I think, and since then have been completely overtaken by reading all the posts on this forum as well as looking at all the various links and reading up on loads and loads of MJ stuff.

Now, I am going to admit that this theory of the hoax has completely overtaken me and my life! I've looked at all sorts of stuff, so much so, that every spare (secret) minute I get, I'm researching and reading (I'm supposed to be studying but this is way better).

Now, apologies if any of the below have already been covered/discussed…I have truly read as much as possible on this site already so please forgive me if I've missed any previous discussions on the following areas.

Every point I've raised, I've backed up with a link, so would like to know what you think…here goes…

1) The ambulance picture – to us, clearly it’s MJ (or an MJ looky-likey) but according to The Sun (UK Newspaper) “PARAMEDICS who rushed to Michael Jackson's deathbed said yesterday they thought his body was that of an old man.

It was more than ten minutes before they recognised the victim as the tragic King of Pop.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho…..d-man.html

So, if they believed they were initially treating an “old man” and didn’t realize it was MJ …who were they treating and how can it be that he was unrecognizable by them when the ambulance pic tells a different story?

2)  His voice…according to an article from Vanity Fair:

“… in real life he does not speak in the falsetto he employed most recently in the controversial 60 Minutes interview on CBS in December, when he was asked only very general questions relating to the current case and when he charged that he had been injured by Santa Barbara police during his arrest. People who have spent time with Jackson report that he has a soft but normal “guy's voice,” in the phrase of one.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame…..rentPage=2

So, if he has faked it and fled, then according to this, he will have the ability to be in disguise AND not be recognized by his distinctive voice…

3) Interesting comments, again from Vanity fair article in 2003 – first 2 pages in particular discuss how MJ has the ability to manipulate the media by “acting” crazy in order to get the attention and desired media exposure…also interestingly mentions the use of prosthesis for the tip of his nose…could it be that he is hiding away somewhere now in a prosthetic fat suit?!

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame…..rentPage=1

4)  I remember many years ago watching an Aussie TV drama called Return To Eden. In it a woman was “killed” by being thrown into crocodile infested water but she survived and “came back” a year or so later having has extensive plastic surgery to alter her appearance…is there a possibility that MJ has done this?

 Maybe…according to an article from MTV for March 2009…

“The so called King of pop, is rumoured to have consulted some of the worlds top plastic surgeons in preparation to his 50 date residency at London’s O2 Arena.”

http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/m…..-new-image

5) Interesting lyrics from his song “Threatened”

“In one blink I’ll disappear, and then I’ll come back to haunt you”

“The unknown monster is about to embark
From a far corner, out of the dark
A nightmare, that’s the case
Never neverland, that’s the place
This particular monster can read minds
Be in two places at the same time
This is judgment night, execution, slaughter
The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture
You can be sure of one thing, that’s fate
A human presence that you feel is strange
A monster that you can see disappear
A monster, the worst thing to fear.”

“What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying
Nightmare. it isn’t. it’s the beginning.”

http://www.poemhunter.com/song…..hreatened/

6) This one needs some further investigating… Jacques Peretti did a documentary on Channel 4 in the UK recently called “Michael Jacksons Last days – What Really happened?” Now, in it he goes around interviewing various people etc BUT when he gets to the part where he is trying to determine whether MJ actually went for the rehearsals or not, interestingly he first goes to the Centre Staging Rehearsal Studio in Burbank LA, then goes to The Forum studios in Inglewood where he states that a full stage for the This Is It Tour was built IN the rehearsal studio (The Forum)…this begs the question of the alleged “final rehearsal photos” which allegedly were taken at The Staples Centre. If a stage was built at The Forum rehearsal studio, why would another stage and backdrop be built at The Staples Centre? Why go to all the expense of building backdrops etc twice?

(Unfortunately couldn't find a decent link…will update if I find one)

7) This is just for laughs…this is Dermot O’Leary explaining what MJ whispered to him just before he took the stand to announce his comeback gigs at the O2. It forms nothing of the hoax theory (except that Dermot was only asked the day before to introduce MJ at the O2…not a lot of notice given…so how did the fans know he was going to be there if the introducer only knew the day before?). And for those of you who don’t know who Dermot is….trust me, in the UK…he is a bit of a babe and although it may seem like he is taking the piss out of MJ…he isn’t …he’s taking the piss out of himself for being a bit of an idiot… enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..uA7ZEYp8tk

Oh and this….MJ in The Simpsons…credited as John Jay Smith…so, maybe this is who he is now (with his other voice and his prosthetic fat suit!) Anyway, this is my favorite…enjoy!

http://wtso.net/movie/174-The_…..g_Dad.html

Any comments to put me straight?

Thanks

I almsot fell down my chair laughing.

The coroners first thougt the body was a “OLD MAN”

Comeon Give me a break.

“10 minutes before they regonized” him

BS.

That is the 10 minutes it has taken them to “replace”  Michael with someone else.

goingcrazy said:

Hi All

I posted originally to the “Do You believe” area back in June, I think, and since then have been completely overtaken by reading all the posts on this forum as well as looking at all the various links and reading up on loads and loads of MJ stuff.

Now, I am going to admit that this theory of the hoax has completely overtaken me and my life! I've looked at all sorts of stuff, so much so, that every spare (secret) minute I get, I'm researching and reading (I'm supposed to be studying but this is way better).

Now, apologies if any of the below have already been covered/discussed…I have truly read as much as possible on this site already so please forgive me if I've missed any previous discussions on the following areas.

Every point I've raised, I've backed up with a link, so would like to know what you think…here goes…

1) The ambulance picture – to us, clearly it’s MJ (or an MJ looky-likey) but according to The Sun (UK Newspaper) “PARAMEDICS who rushed to Michael Jackson's deathbed said yesterday they thought his body was that of an old man.

It was more than ten minutes before they recognised the victim as the tragic King of Pop.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho…..d-man.html

So, if they believed they were initially treating an “old man” and didn’t realize it was MJ …who were they treating and how can it be that he was unrecognizable by them when the ambulance pic tells a different story?

2)  His voice…according to an article from Vanity Fair:

“… in real life he does not speak in the falsetto he employed most recently in the controversial 60 Minutes interview on CBS in December, when he was asked only very general questions relating to the current case and when he charged that he had been injured by Santa Barbara police during his arrest. People who have spent time with Jackson report that he has a soft but normal “guy's voice,” in the phrase of one.

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame…..rentPage=2

So, if he has faked it and fled, then according to this, he will have the ability to be in disguise AND not be recognized by his distinctive voice…

3) Interesting comments, again from Vanity fair article in 2003 – first 2 pages in particular discuss how MJ has the ability to manipulate the media by “acting” crazy in order to get the attention and desired media exposure…also interestingly mentions the use of prosthesis for the tip of his nose…could it be that he is hiding away somewhere now in a prosthetic fat suit?!

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame…..rentPage=1

4)  I remember many years ago watching an Aussie TV drama called Return To Eden. In it a woman was “killed” by being thrown into crocodile infested water but she survived and “came back” a year or so later having has extensive plastic surgery to alter her appearance…is there a possibility that MJ has done this?

 Maybe…according to an article from MTV for March 2009…

 

“The so called King of pop, is rumoured to have consulted some of the worlds top plastic surgeons in preparation to his 50 date residency at London’s O2 Arena.”

 

http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/m…..-new-image

 

5) Interesting lyrics from his song “Threatened”

 

“In one blink I’ll disappear, and then I’ll come back to haunt you”

 

“The unknown monster is about to embark
From a far corner, out of the dark
A nightmare, that’s the case
Never neverland, that’s the place
This particular monster can read minds
Be in two places at the same time
This is judgment night, execution, slaughter
The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture
You can be sure of one thing, that’s fate
A human presence that you feel is strange
A monster that you can see disappear
A monster, the worst thing to fear.”

 

“What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying
Nightmare. it isn’t. it’s the beginning.”

 

http://www.poemhunter.com/song…..hreatened/

 

6) This one needs some further investigating… Jacques Peretti did a documentary on Channel 4 in the UK recently called “Michael Jacksons Last days – What Really happened?” Now, in it he goes around interviewing various people etc BUT when he gets to the part where he is trying to determine whether MJ actually went for the rehearsals or not, interestingly he first goes to the Centre Staging Rehearsal Studio in Burbank LA, then goes to The Forum studios in Inglewood where he states that a full stage for the This Is It Tour was built IN the rehearsal studio (The Forum)…this begs the question of the alleged “final rehearsal photos” which allegedly were taken at The Staples Centre. If a stage was built at The Forum rehearsal studio, why would another stage and backdrop be built at The Staples Centre? Why go to all the expense of building backdrops etc twice?

(Unfortunately couldn't find a decent link…will update if I find one)

 

7) This is just for laughs…this is Dermot O’Leary explaining what MJ whispered to him just before he took the stand to announce his comeback gigs at the O2. It forms nothing of the hoax theory (except that Dermot was only asked the day before to introduce MJ at the O2…not a lot of notice given…so how did the fans know he was going to be there if the introducer only knew the day before?). And for those of you who don’t know who Dermot is….trust me, in the UK…he is a bit of a babe and although it may seem like he is taking the piss out of MJ…he isn’t …he’s taking the piss out of himself for being a bit of an idiot… enjoy!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..uA7ZEYp8tk

 

Oh and this….MJ in The Simpsons…credited as John Jay Smith…so, maybe this is who he is now (with his other voice and his prosthetic fat suit!) Anyway, this is my favorite…enjoy!

 

http://wtso.net/movie/174-The_…..g_Dad.html

 

Any comments to put me straight?

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

yea lol
Michael Can Really CHange His Voice Some people say he talks with his soft voice when he shy and comfortable at the same time lol

but in the video Jam his voice is actually really deep

oh and the part where you said about the lyrics thats interesting specially since “Never Never Land” is his home, and Peter Pans Home in Return To Neverland the movie and also the first one…but idk could that be why the family is gonna 'bury' michael at neverland so that he could come back from the 'dead' lol that sounds crazy

but uh

“The unknown monster is about to embark
From a far corner, out of the dark
A nightmare, that’s the case
Never neverland, that’s the place
This particular monster can read minds

did people used to call mj a monster? you know how people would say he looks scary?

Michael was always cute to me so idk what they talking bout

Great Post!

MyBelovedMJ said:

I almsot fell down my chair laughing.

The coroners first thougt the body was a “OLD MAN”

Comeon Give me a break.

“10 minutes before they regonized” him

BS.

That is the 10 minutes it has taken them to “replace”  Michael with someone else.

Me too. If they really wanted us to believe that statement, they should never have released the rehearsal footage. Apparently the coroner and the paramedics saw a totally different person. FOOLS I TELL YA, FOOLS!! You know what be great..if Larry king invited everyone to his show  who's talked about MJs appearence in the days leading up to his death and the days after.

great post! really. It has alot of info and really makes ya think

In regards to this post, I just can say “WOW”!

Thank you for sharing….I really enjoyed reading it…

Rachel said:

Good post, I really enjoyed reading it!

I had to laugh at the prosthetic fat suit comment!

Interestingly enough I remember reading an article in which David Guest was being interviewed and he said he could never understand why Michael “put” his voice on because one on one he was very manly and spoke in a much more deeper tone.

I think David Gest is a moron.  I think MJ was just shy and soft spoken in public.  People who are very shy in public sometimes have softer voices then.  It's a nervous tick.  I don't think MJ's voice was ever “put on.”  I swear. I hate when people say that.   Also, if you see MJ's private home movies, where he's talking to his kids, he almost always talks in that soft spoken voice with his kids too.  So why on earth would he “put on” a voice for his kids?  And if he was putting on, why didn't his kids go: “Daddy why are you talking funny?”

goingcrazy said:

Thanks guys.

It's definitely the “old man” bit isn't it. Who the hell were they seeing then if it wasn't MJ …that's what I want to know.

Let's remember though that the Sun is a tabloid, so if they say that MJ was old looking and paramedics didn't recognize him, then that's completely irrelevant.  They also say Elvis is an alien.  Nothing they say can be added as part of this.

goingcrazy said:

Thanks guys.

It's definitely the “old man” bit isn't it. Who the hell were they seeing then if it wasn't MJ …that's what I want to know.

Considering that even if it was not MJ a man with 50 its not really old.And Im not even saying about those with ultra high tech tecnology to looks young, but normal people.They almost describe a man around 70´s.O.o

Great post  – the bit about him looking like a frail old man – aside from the photo in the ambulance (if it's a true photo) and the rehearsal footage and the footage of the night before he 'died' talking to the dancers – just seems more and more bizarre as even Klein said he was helping to re-build Michael's face for the concerts so he would look his best, but as people have said it did come from the Sun – don't quite know why they are called that actually maybe they should change their name to dark clouds or the Liar would ring more true.

Does anyone have any other link other than from the Sun that a paramedic said this about being old and frail etc?

Thanks!

Michael Jackson's Last Days – What really happened (Documentary)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..-BuDLw5I1w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

They're not talking about him being on the Staples Center. That's really weird…

Rehearsal clip from KennyOrtegaTV at YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..annel_page

mjfan said:

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I think David Gest is a moron.  I think MJ was just shy and soft spoken in public.  People who are very shy in public sometimes have softer voices then.  It's a nervous tick.  I don't think MJ's voice was ever “put on.”  I swear. I hate when people say that.   Also, if you see MJ's private home movies, where he's talking to his kids, he almost always talks in that soft spoken voice with his kids too.  So why on earth would he “put on” a voice for his kids?  And if he was putting on, why didn't his kids go: “Daddy why are you talking funny?”

I don't believe what he says either but I remembered seeing it and thought it tied into the original post so thought I would share!