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12:27 am
July 24, 2009


Alfaomega

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Hi Jeanin,

Well, I have to tell you that I am also not a MJ´s fan. I was at a children´s party 2 days after MJ´s death announcement and somebody there  said: Did you hear that MJ died?

I don´t watch TV and don´t buy newspapers or magazines, I just don´t like them, but this time it was Michael Jackson…almost everybody has MJ´s songs at one point in his/her life.

So, when I came back I entered to the internet and started to read and listen to the media reports about his sudden deatd.
I saw aand listen to that 911 call and then the sibllings entering to MJ´s house and getting out foolowed by a big van full of things inside…Wow!-I thought…this is really suspicious…MJ died there and and a lot of activity is going on there and the police is not at the dead scene.

 I got the intuition that something was wrong in the whole picture.Only a very few photographs that don´t show anything, no body, no burial, amazing contradictions …something was really realy wrong there.

So I googled:Is MJ really dead? and I clicked on the link of this site and found out that there are lots of people, not only here, but all around the world, that have the feeling that MJ´s death is a hoax.

So I started to read the posts and tried to find out something relevant and post it here too, but as  time has passed I realize that whatever it is -death hoax or real death-he has been declared officialy death all around the world, so he is free and will live as somebody else in a place with name or he is free from all the world and body pains.

Whatever…he is alive, with body or witout body …and he is now free to do as he wishes.

He lives here through his art: his music and dance!


12:55 am
July 24, 2009


jeanine

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Hi Guys and Girls…

Wow, such a good response- minus the odd comment that  I apparently “Need to get out more” which I would like to pass a quick comment on- First off, I have been on this forum from the day it was created and this is my FIRST ever  thread; now in response to that very ignorant reply which I did expect to get from a few people and Im surprised there was not more than just one- given that this is my first post on here i'd say that your comment  was rather useless in all fairness, and you made yourself look disrespectful and ignorant- and I feel for you, really I do. If you have nothing better to do than to pick fault with peoples posting on this forum then I think it's safe to say that YOU'RE the one who needs to get out more..

Moving on from that… I am amazed that people can relate to the thread and to be honest with you, I thought everyone who believe Michael wasn't dead were devoted fans.

The media has clouded many peoples judgements- some devoted fans say he is dead and some will state their lives on it that he is not.

I went out for a meal the other day and there is a girl who works in the restaurant who is an MJ fan- now I was not aware of this until the topic of convo came to light and if I had known she was a fan I probably would not have started chatting to her about Michael.

I asked her if she believed he had truely died and she looked at me like I had lost my mind…. I tried to explain to her what I felt was wrong and that I was NOT  a fan, never had been, and my reasons behind thinking the way I do about his death was purely down to the fact that it is obvious something is not quite right with the whole charade.

She explains to me how the media can make you believe anything- and that they have a knack of making things appear real when in fact it's all a bunch of crap; she was saying how no matter what, the media will make up stories whether they be true or false and where ever they feel  there is a good headline, they'll basically run with it if they feel it will sell…. now, judging from what she said you would assume she was refering to Michael actually still being  alive, right? she was infact refering to him being dead and she felt the media were the ones  making the ''non belivers'' think he is still  alive and well…..

what she did not realize is that throughout the whole convo I had with her  she was actually speaking the same language as us and she just could not see it.

1) the media can make you believe anything

2) they will say or do anything if it means selling  papers

3) they could make up any sort of story and have people questioning if its real or not….

The media can make you believe anything…..


Anyway, I'll say this again.. I'm not an MJ fan, though I'm sure he was probably wonderful lol… but I feel  he is not dead.

5:06 am
July 24, 2009


BB

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Thank You so much for starting this thread!


(and don`t worry about stupid… lol… though I must admit: stupid has been a pain to my eyes more than once… 

very disrespectful and rude… you are so right: it`s time stupid went for a looong walk…. lol… that would be nice… )

5:25 am
July 24, 2009


summer_sc3nt

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Post edited 10:27 pm – July 24, 2009 by summer_sc3nt


jeanine said:

Hi Guys and Girls…

Wow, such a good response- minus the odd comment that  I apparently “Need to get out more” which I would like to pass a quick comment on- First off, I have been on this forum from the day it was created and this is my FIRST ever  thread; now in response to that very ignorant reply which I did expect to get from a few people and Im surprised there was not more than just one- given that this is my first post on here i'd say that your comment  was rather useless in all fairness, and you made yourself look disrespectful and ignorant- and I feel for you, really I do. If you have nothing better to do than to pick fault with peoples posting on this forum then I think it's safe to say that YOU'RE the one who needs to get out more..


Hi Jeanine, I'm like you a non-fan of MJ tho I do listen to his songs among others. When I first heard the news I felt kinda sad coz I do believe he's a beautiful soul. Then the  news reports keep coming in that is where I felt the holes in those reports as big as that of the Grand Canyon lol…

I.E. Reports of bankruptcy and an unnamed person/s that he's supposed to have owed money to – so he could keep his millions.

Unrealeased songs that shall take years and years to be released – so he could sing and compose anytime he wants… among many more.

5:28 am
July 24, 2009


summer_sc3nt

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BerlinBabyGermany said:

Thank You so much for starting this thread!


(and don`t worry about stupid… lol… though I must admit: stupid has been a pain to my eyes more than once… 

very disrespectful and rude… you are so right: it`s time stupid went for a looong walk…. lol… that would be nice… )


Lol… good and fun quote girl!

5:53 am
July 24, 2009


hellojavi

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iloveyoumore said:

I think we, as humans, have a very strong, primal sense of intuition.  But we forget we have it.  There are so many distractions in life.  And it just kind of makes that intuition fade.  When the MJ “death” broke, I think that our collective intuition was so strong, that it overrode the distractions.  Does this make sense?  The intution of something being “not right” about the whole thing was so overwhelmingly intense, that even people who had little to do with MJ prior to his death felt it.  That says a great deal.



hey! absolutely right!


Ive known Michael since i was 8, (now I am 20) we had a stage play then,united nation play, I played as Ms. Japan and then me and my classmate sang “heal the world” It really touched my heart, since then I was inlove with MJ music. Then my brother and I watched a lot of video and some concerts available, until 2001 i am still a fan, But my taste in music changed when I turned teenager, I Used to listen in rock,metalcore,sreamo, and the likes for the last 5 years, I still listen to him rarely but never digg his life, I am a fan but not that avid like any other. But when the news broke, I felt devastated as if one of my family member had died, weird eh? maybe because even if many musicians had came,He was still number 1 in my heart, knowing it unconsciously. I cant explain it lol, just like what iloveyoumore says. Knowing him more as a good person made me love him more deeply. Now i pray that it is not too late to adore him much more.


Everything happens for a reason. I believe MJ is an Earth angel

-You see there are many people in the world that are working at making the earth a better place. They come to this earth as humans wanting to make change. That change could be anything from teaching others to improving the earth itself.

I find them all the time, with their heads down working non-stop with out complaining, just moving forward making a difference.

one definition of earth angel.


xx

“Beat me, hate me You can never break me – MJ “

6:27 am
July 24, 2009


popcornscrunchy

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I have been a fan since high school but something happens when you “grow up” and are faced with life and all the problems that go along with living then you tend to forget certain things one of them…..music I have all the albums but I did stop listening to them…….am I still a fan? Since that day, I have not been able to think clearly I have lost weight and ignored my friends and family, I feel so much grief and loss I am surprised at my reaction and my husband is wondering what has happened to me? I thought I was cracking up  … really untill I started reading everyone in here THANKS GUYS. It is as though a part of your life is gone that is how it felt at first and now as I revisit the music I actually feel I have a greater connection with it than before. Gone or not gone I have had MJ thrown back at me and I have picked it up and nurtured it (if you know what I mean). My sister actually called me I was at work at my old high school bizare in itself and said

“have you heard”

what

MJ died

noooooo as if noooooooo sure

yes it is true

no way…….. bell rings

got to go teaching now

I was in complete denial and refused to believe such a ridiculous story, but she would not lie, not about that anyway, we went to an MJ concert together when we were at school I remember having to smack her (in the best sisterly way) because she would not stop screaming at MJ on stage….funny days. So  I proceeded to ignore the news coverage and bypass all magazines at the supermarket….I know very mature. The day of the memorial arrived and due to the fact it started here early in the moring my husband woke up and recorded it for me (shocked he did as he told me people pass from this wold every day get over it) but I did not want to see it of corse when everyone left the house for the day I got my tissue box sat in front of the box and devoted my day to mourning I wept and wept unbelievable i am still crying and I feel ridiculous. The only thing that kept me positive was watching the students at my old highschool they were asking me about MJ showing me mini clips on their phones and asking me to listen to MJ songs and the funniest thing is watching them try to dance.. he does this then this……NOOOOO he does this then this it is hilarious, comforting and proof that his music and creativity will continue to inspire the youth of today. Something is not right in all of this mess I know that but I dont think we will ever know. Stay happy people and do something to help and inspire other humans especially young people.

6:43 am
July 24, 2009


redlotuske

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Hey,


I wasn't a fan of MJ. When he came to Belgium , I wanted to go to his concert. I didn't had one CD of him at that time. I just wanted to go because I knew this would be my only chance to see him live on stage. So I went and it was fantastic. I even remember that the original concert had to take place the day princess Diana died. So he put it off for a week. I went to see him anyway.

After that I bought his historycd.I never believed what they were saying about him in the press. I always believed he just wanted his live back. Who can blame him.

I was sleeping the moment he died.Here it was 23.32 . My husband came  in the room and told me. So I found it pretty bad that he had to die this way but I didn't spent more attention to it. I tought maybe now he found peace.

My obsession started with a phone call to a friend of mine. She told me her boyfriend didn't believe MJ died. because he found something weard at the 911 call. I remember telling her. ” You'll know for sure if there's a public viewing and a funeral. If not than you can begin to doubt.” So my interest was awakend. I searched the net to listen to the 911 call. I followed the media, curieus about the public viewing and the funeral. And the longer it took, the more I started to believe that maybe just maybe he was alive.

One way or the other I ended up here. You must know I'm a very rational girl. I won't believe it if I see no proof.I love to solve riddles and I'm good at it.

Let me tell you something, with all respect to MJ, I believe that he was a little narcistic, he really loved himself. You can see that by the many peintings and statue's he had from himself. I read a lot about narcistic people , I have a friend that study's pshycologie. Such people will never end there lives thereselfs.

So I really don't believe that he would commit suicide. If you ask me he's biggest fear was to led down his fans or to make a fool out of himself uppon stage. In other words he was afraid that he would fail to do those 50 concerts.

If you're realistic you should know that even a 30-year old would had problems to do those concerts. He knew he couldn't do them. Even if he was in good health. Come on he's only human and almost 51. He knew his fans were expecting a lot and he couldn't give it to them. And even if he could do that, he's live would turn into a nightmare afterwarts because the media wouldn't leave him alone.

So he decided to “die as a king” and he faked it.

I find that MJ had a real complex character. A good soul. But complex. He's a very intriging person. 

6:56 am
July 24, 2009


Ziffes

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BerlinBabyGermany said:

iloveyoumore said:

I think we, as humans, have a very strong, primal sense of intuition.  But we forget we have it.  There are so many distractions in life.  And it just kind of makes that intuition fade.  When the MJ “death” broke, I think that our collective intuition was so strong, that it overrode the distractions.  Does this make sense?  The intution of something being “not right” about the whole thing was so overwhelmingly intense, that even people who had little to do with MJ prior to his death felt it.  That says a great deal.



BEAUTIFUl! Such wise words! Thank you!


I still think that this is the best thread ever! To me it is….. Lovely!


hi BerlinBabyGermany

6:58 am
July 24, 2009


mjfan

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MJ was not narcissistic.  MJ should have loved himself more and had some of that caring and compassion for himself.  If you take a look at these different statues and things in context you can easily see that's who/what he WANTS to be.  Narcissists are not giving and humble beings.  He was always sweet and humble and giving.  I think anyone who thinks MJ was a narcissist doesn't know the first thing about him.  No offense, but I find that really offensive.


If you know about narcissism, read up on body dysmorphic disorder.  MJ MUCH more clearly fits the profile of someone with BDD than a narcissist.  And it would be pretty much impossible to BOTH be a narcissist and have BDD.

7:06 am
July 24, 2009


popcornscrunchy

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Your are correct in saying he would not want his fans to be let down and I feel most of all himself he seemed to be a perfectionist and I suppose there are things that could suggest the personality you describe but he also had a real humble side that seemed warm and incredibly giving he was complex for sure. I think people would have loved anything he did but somehow people forget he was 51 and I have said before because he was MJ would have been judged and scrutinised on “MJ” standards nothing would have been good enough for the media no matter what. 50 shows did not seem realistic to me either.

8:01 am
July 24, 2009


redlotuske

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Hey I'm 27 and even I couldn't do 50 shows. He didn't stand still on stage, always dancing. You need a very good condition to pull that off. Even when he would be in a really good shape… than I don't think he could have done it.

Did any of you heard about the speculations that he would use wild animals on stage and some kinda special army or so…. I can't remember wich one. The media would have taken him down without any remourse of doing so.

If you are such a great artist you need to be a little bit of narcistic or  you don't survive the critics espacily if they do like they did with MJ. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good person.

I said he was complex, that means he had different sides. He was a given and caring person, even a little bit shy,uncertain about himself, he was intelligent and a perfectionist. But he had also a little bit of narcistic in him, what he needed to . Like I said otherwise you don't survive in that world.


Why in the hell did they pull it up to 50??


8:01 am
July 24, 2009


redlotuske

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Hey I'm 27 and even I couldn't do 50 shows. He didn't stand still on stage, always dancing. You need a very good condition to pull that off. Even when he would be in a really good shape… than I don't think he could have done it.

Did any of you heard about the speculations that he would use wild animals on stage and some kinda special army or so…. I can't remember wich one. The media would have taken him down without any remourse of doing so.

If you are such a great artist you need to be a little bit of narcistic or  you don't survive the critics espacily if they do like they did with MJ. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good person.

I said he was complex, that means he had different sides. He was a given and caring person, even a little bit shy,uncertain about himself, he was intelligent and a perfectionist. But he had also a little bit of narcistic in him, what he needed to . Like I said otherwise you don't survive in that world.


Why in the hell did they pull it up to 50??


8:04 am
July 24, 2009


jpresley

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Wow, it's so nice to know there are so many of us out there!  Reading all of these posts has made me feel so much better knowing that I am not alone in how I'm feeling.  I have always liked Michael Jackson.  He was the music of my childhood in the 80's.  My cousin absolutely adored him and could have been called one of his crazy fans.  She went to every concert when he toured here.  There was even a familial connection in that I grew up as a Jehovahs Witness and most of my family still practice it.  MJ came to Houston about 30 years ago and he attended the Kingdom Hall where my aunt and uncle went.  Even went out in service (you know, where they knock on your door ) with my uncle.  Talk about happy people opening those doors, huh? 

Anyway, as time went on I kind of let go of him in the musical sense and branched out in the type of stuff I listenened to – a teenager involved in teenage drama.  There was always an MJ song on the radio I liked though, and I just never thought I was missing out on too much (boy, was I wrong).  I NEVER believed the allegations against him and was riveted when he gave his satellite statement from Neverland describing what the LAPD did to him and proclaiming his innocense.  I've been an Elvis freak my entire life (even remember the day he died, I was in Kindergarten) and have really followed LMP.  I thought it was too cool when they married and while it might have seemed weird to some, they both came from weird backgrounds, so I didn't think anything of it.  I'll admit after that, I didn't give him much thought in terms of my daily life.  I certainly didn't appreciate the essential goodness of him, you know?  And, his genuine love of people and most especially sick and dying children.  And, of course, his fans.  They were his life force…I truly believe that.  Then BAM he dies and at first I tried to be indifferent, but that completely backfired.  I have become more and more obsessed with MJ and the way he was treated in life and the way he has been treated in his supposed death.  I'm simply outraged.  NOTHING was adding up regarding the circumstances of that day and it's only gotten weirder since then.  I'm not sure if he's dead or alive, but I AM sure we are not being given the whole (or even partial) story.  Since June 25, I have listened to nothing but MJ music, and have been online watching him on youtube and talking about his death almost non-stop.  I have done so much research on him, I could probably write a book!  It actually hurts my heart thinking about what he went through and I am so sad I never got the chance to tell him what an incredible person he was.  In fact, I've been in a funk for weeks now.  My family and coworkers have all noticed, to the point I try to keep it on the down low now.  I'm sick of people making fun of him and I will never stop looking for the truth and defending his name and legacy. 


Sorry for the long post!

8:28 am
July 24, 2009


Antigone

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iloveyoumore said:

I think we, as humans, have a very strong, primal sense of intuition.  But we forget we have it.  There are so many distractions in life.  And it just kind of makes that intuition fade.  When the MJ “death” broke, I think that our collective intuition was so strong, that it overrode the distractions.  Does this make sense?  The intution of something being “not right” about the whole thing was so overwhelmingly intense, that even people who had little to do with MJ prior to his death felt it.  That says a great deal.



That's exactly how I feel about it.

Born 1970, I grew up with his music, liked a few songs but never was a fan or interested in the person behind the music.

On 26. June 2009 he captured me, somehow. I still don't know HOW but I guess I have to get along with it.


For there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.

8:36 am
July 24, 2009


iloveyoumore

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Cherry said:

Post edited 4:02 pm – July 23, 2009 by Cherry


Wow, yes, i knew i wasn't the one. Definitely i'm starting to think that this man had some  kind of superpower, or can anybody tell me why i feel like that? even when i go out to bars/clubs sometimes i feel the need to listening to any of his songs.

I've learned more about Michael along these days than during my entire life, it's sad that we notice that now that he's 'dead'? and not before, i know, but, what can i say?…that's life…


I know what you're saying, but I'm not sure “superpower” is the right word.  I think there is a good chance he is on a different spiritual realm than a regular human being.  I honestly do.  You can sense it in everything.  It is very strong.  We are so drawn to him, fans and non-fans, for a reason.  I know this is going to be blasted, and some will call me blasphemous, but I'm not a particularly religious person so that won't hurt my feelings.  I think there are alot of strange similarities to the figure that we know of as Jesus Christ, or at least the way the story of him has been told.  If you really, really start to think about it, that is.

Before you post, ask yourself – WWMJD? In our darkest hour, in my deepest despair – Will you still care? Will you be there? In my trials, and my tribulations? Through our doubts and frustrations?

8:39 am
July 24, 2009


iloveyoumore

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Antigone said:

iloveyoumore said:

I think we, as humans, have a very strong, primal sense of intuition.  But we forget we have it.  There are so many distractions in life.  And it just kind of makes that intuition fade.  When the MJ “death” broke, I think that our collective intuition was so strong, that it overrode the distractions.  Does this make sense?  The intution of something being “not right” about the whole thing was so overwhelmingly intense, that even people who had little to do with MJ prior to his death felt it.  That says a great deal.



That's exactly how I feel about it.

Born 1970, I grew up with his music, liked a few songs but never was a fan or interested in the person behind the music.

On 26. June 2009 he captured me, somehow. I still don't know HOW but I guess I have to get along with it.



Yes, many people have experienced this (including myself) and have absolutely no idea how it happened.  It's a very interesting phenomenon.  It's a spiritual thing, in my opinion.

Before you post, ask yourself – WWMJD? In our darkest hour, in my deepest despair – Will you still care? Will you be there? In my trials, and my tribulations? Through our doubts and frustrations?

12:54 pm
July 24, 2009


mjfan

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redlotuske said:

Hey I'm 27 and even I couldn't do 50 shows. He didn't stand still on stage, always dancing. You need a very good condition to pull that off. Even when he would be in a really good shape… than I don't think he could have done it.

Did any of you heard about the speculations that he would use wild animals on stage and some kinda special army or so…. I can't remember wich one. The media would have taken him down without any remourse of doing so.

If you are such a great artist you need to be a little bit of narcistic or  you don't survive the critics espacily if they do like they did with MJ. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good person.

I said he was complex, that means he had different sides. He was a given and caring person, even a little bit shy,uncertain about himself, he was intelligent and a perfectionist. But he had also a little bit of narcistic in him, what he needed to . Like I said otherwise you don't survive in that world.http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.com/?page_id=293/hoax-death/thoughts-and-feelings-from-a-non-fan/page-2/#p17706


Why in the hell did they pull it up to 50??



I think you need a thick skin and to believe in yourself, but that's not the same as narcissism.


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  (när'sĭ-sĭz'əm)   
n.  
  1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.
  2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
  3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.

MJ had a lot of love for other people, but not only did he not have EXCESSIVE love or admiration for himself, he didn't have ENOUGH love or admiration for himself.  IMO.  I'm not saying he's not complex.  I'm just saying you cannot be two completely contradictory things at the same time.  It's illogical.    On the second definition “lack of empathy.”  MJ was SO sensitive, he had TOO MUCH empathy.  He cared about everyone and was constantly trying to help people and animals.  I mean holy crap, once he even saved a bug on stage at one of his concerts.  That is not someone whose pre-occupation is on their own greatness.  And number 3 is definitely not true, since he hated the way he looked and was always trying to “fix it.”


1:17 pm
July 24, 2009


iloveyoumore

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redlotuske said:

Hey I'm 27 and even I couldn't do 50 shows. He didn't stand still on stage, always dancing. You need a very good condition to pull that off. Even when he would be in a really good shape… than I don't think he could have done it.

Did any of you heard about the speculations that he would use wild animals on stage and some kinda special army or so…. I can't remember wich one. The media would have taken him down without any remourse of doing so.

If you are such a great artist you need to be a little bit of narcistic or  you don't survive the critics espacily if they do like they did with MJ. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good person.

I said he was complex, that means he had different sides. He was a given and caring person, even a little bit shy,uncertain about himself, he was intelligent and a perfectionist. But he had also a little bit of narcistic in him, what he needed to . Like I said otherwise you don't survive in that world.


Why in the hell did they pull it up to 50??



I really, really, really wish you would stop referring to him as narcissistic.  One of my majors in college was in psychology, and I can assure you that MJ did NOT have narcissistic personaility disorder.  He was extremely humble, warm, loving, soft, gentle, compassionate….extremely self-conscious….and felt things much more intensely than most…(which brings me back to the idea that he was on a different spiritual realm that a “regular” human being).  Your reflections disturb me more than the asshat comments of michaelcadaver and the like, calling him vulgarities.  Maybe because you're not trying to spew hatred, which I can write off.

Before you post, ask yourself – WWMJD? In our darkest hour, in my deepest despair – Will you still care? Will you be there? In my trials, and my tribulations? Through our doubts and frustrations?

1:22 pm
July 24, 2009


iloveyoumore

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Post edited 6:34 am – July 25, 2009 by iloveyoumore


jpresley said:  Since June 25, I have listened to nothing but MJ music, and have been online watching him on youtube and talking about his death almost non-stop.  I have done so much research on him, I could probably write a book!  It actually hurts my heart thinking about what he went through and I am so sad I never got the chance to tell him what an incredible person he was.  In fact, I've been in a funk for weeks now.  My family and coworkers have all noticed, to the point I try to keep it on the down low now.  I'm sick of people making fun of him and I will never stop looking for the truth and defending his name and legacy. 


I could have written this post.  This describes me perfectly.  My husband and mother are starting to get nervous for me.  Why do we have such a strong gravitation towards this man?  Because he is an angelic soul…..he is different.

Before you post, ask yourself – WWMJD? In our darkest hour, in my deepest despair – Will you still care? Will you be there? In my trials, and my tribulations? Through our doubts and frustrations?

1:30 pm
July 24, 2009


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iloveyoumore said:

jpresley said:  Since June 25, I have listened to nothing but MJ music, and have been online watching him on youtube and talking about his death almost non-stop.  I have done so much research on him, I could probably write a book!  It actually hurts my heart thinking about what he went through and I am so sad I never got the chance to tell him what an incredible person he was.  In fact, I've been in a funk for weeks now.  My family and coworkers have all noticed, to the point I try to keep it on the down low now.  I'm sick of people making fun of him and I will never stop looking for the truth and defending his name and legacy. 


I could have written this post.  This describes me perfectly.  My husband and mother and starting to get nervous for me.  Why do we have such a strong gravitation towards this man?  Because he is an angelic soul…..he is different.


i am definitely having to hide my obsession with MJ from my husband.  He doesn't understand at all.  I feel a little guilty in saying that I am glad he's leaving for an out of country trip on Sunday for more than a week.  There is no doubt I will totally immerse myself in this site and other forums.  I can't explain it, but I am inexorably (sp) drawn to this man.  He was so special, almost magical and I feel like his spirit is all around me.  Regardless of whether he's alive or dead, I do not believe he is truly gone.  It saddens me and hurts my heart that his own family (aside from probably Janet) didn't realize the type of person they had in their midst.  I just…I don't know…want to make it all better for him.  I KNOW that is crazy talk, but it's the way I feel.


1:31 pm
July 24, 2009


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iloveyoumore said:

redlotuske said:

Hey I'm 27 and even I couldn't do 50 shows. He didn't stand still on stage, always dancing. You need a very good condition to pull that off. Even when he would be in a really good shape… than I don't think he could have done it.

Did any of you heard about the speculations that he would use wild animals on stage and some kinda special army or so…. I can't remember wich one. The media would have taken him down without any remourse of doing so.

If you are such a great artist you need to be a little bit of narcistic or  you don't survive the critics espacily if they do like they did with MJ. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good person.

I said he was complex, that means he had different sides. He was a given and caring person, even a little bit shy,uncertain about himself, he was intelligent and a perfectionist. But he had also a little bit of narcistic in him, what he needed to . Like I said otherwise you don't survive in that world.


Why in the hell did they pull it up to 50??



I really, really, really wish you would stop referring to him as narcissistic.  One of my majors in college was in psychology, and I can assure you that MJ did NOT have narcissistic personaility disorder.  He was extremely humble, warm, loving, soft, gentle, compassionate….extremely self-conscious….and felt things much more intensely than most…(which brings me back to the idea that he was on a different spiritual realm that a “regular” human being).  Your reflections disturb me more than the asshat comments of michaelcadaver and the like, calling him vulgarities.  Maybe because you're not trying to spew hatred, which I can write off.


Yeah from what the poster said, I think they're just not expressing what they mean well.  They used narcissistic I think when they meant another word.  That's just my impression anyway.  I'm not sure how ANYONE could think MJ was a narcissist.  And totally agree with you on the “on a different spiritual realm” thing.

1:50 pm
July 24, 2009


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This is my first post, although I have been lurking for quite a while..This post hit home, as i was not exactly an MJ fan my self…being 49, I grew up with him in the jackson 5, and like many others I got older and gravitated towards other types of music, and I never really caught on to him as he got older. I knew of his music along the way, but somehow the media scandals printed on the tabloids were the only times, with exception to the trial, I ever really read up on him. The day it was announced he died, I felt like I lost a long lost friend..I was shocked and embarrased at those feelings, as i could not understand where they came from. I cried for days. I also, as others have mentioned, looked into a lot of his music and videos, and was hooked. It is really too bad, that because of so much of the gossip and garbage surrounding him in later years, that people like myself, either got turned off, or simply stopped paying attention. Had there been more positivity in the media regarding him, I may have been able to enjoy him while he was still alive ( if indeed he is dead). I think a lot of people would have, and that may have made a difference.


BTW….I am amazed at some of the theories I found here..You guys have definatly done some work!! 

2:08 pm
July 24, 2009


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Post edited 7:10 am – July 25, 2009 by Cherry


iloveyoumore said:

Cherry said:

Post edited 4:02 pm – July 23, 2009 by Cherry


Wow, yes, i knew i wasn't the one. Definitely i'm starting to think that this man had some  kind of superpower, or can anybody tell me why i feel like that? even when i go out to bars/clubs sometimes i feel the need to listening to any of his songs.

I've learned more about Michael along these days than during my entire life, it's sad that we notice that now that he's 'dead'? and not before, i know, but, what can i say?…that's life…


I know what you're saying, but I'm not sure “superpower” is the right word.  I think there is a good chance he is on a different spiritual realm than a regular human being.  I honestly do.  You can sense it in everything.  It is very strong.  We are so drawn to him, fans and non-fans, for a reason.  I know this is going to be blasted, and some will call me blasphemous, but I'm not a particularly religious person so that won't hurt my feelings.  I think there are alot of strange similarities to the figure that we know of as Jesus Christ, or at least the way the story of him has been told.  If you really, really start to think about it, that is.


Yes, maybe that's not the right word, sorry for my english , but you know what i mean. Definitely it must be something spiritual as you say, and i'm not also a religious person, dont' know what but in some way he has touched  something really deep into us.


I just hope that he will forgive me/us (wherever he is) for not having paid the attention he really deserved before he 'died' . I find some consolation in the thought that i have never seen him as the media wanted us to see him, and that i was in love with him when i was a child .

(sorry for my English) I wish you, Michael, to be in peace forever, wherever you are, dead or alive. From a non (always) fan, who have always respected him profoundly

2:18 pm
July 24, 2009


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MJ was the antithesis of a narcissistice personality.  Why do you think everything hurt him so?!  My God, I cannot imagine how much this man suffered not only at the hands of others, but because of what he FELT for mankind as a whole.  I weep at the thought of his being lost.  For those that are very religious reading this, I don't mean to offend, but seriously this man was more like Jesus than anyone in history.  Think about it.  All the persecution and torment and yet he STILL CONTINUED TO GIVE BACK.  And just like Jesus, we used and abused him and now he is gone (because whether he is actually dead or alive, he's not coming back in any form you or I will recongnize).

2:38 pm
July 24, 2009


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Michael said he wanted to be like Jesus.  That is from his strict religious background.  He used to go to homes with a disguise and try to win people for Jesus.  No mainstream artist has been acknowledged doing that. 

Michael gave alot of money to charities in the bible it says 10% but he gave 20%.  Yes he also gave alot to himself, but he earned it.


Michael was all about love, kindness, consideration for others, many in this world need to adapt that same policy make life better

for others, the world would be a much better place.


Oh i was out and about and I started talking about Michael and this college student says something is really wrong with all of that,

something does not make sense.  So there are many people who believe the same thing that we do, they just do not happen to be expressing themselves on this site.

2:38 pm
July 24, 2009


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Glittr_Angel said:

I'm like that aswell….

I never EVER listened to his music, or watched any of his interviews, etc….but when my father told me that Michael Jackson had died, I was heartbroken, and the worst part of it was not knowing why. All day I was fighting tears, and it didn't help that everyone was talking about it!

So, I started listening to his music and instantly fell lin love with it, with him, with everything. I became so obssessed that I would lie in bed listening to his music all day. I told myself that this wasn't healthy and I tried to stay away from MJ – but it was even worse. I feel like I've been sucked into this, like I was meant to be on this forum, too. It's like a drug to me!

I love MJ now, and it's too late for me to leave. I'm already captured by him and I have no idea why.

I have NEVER felt so devoted to someone I don't even know in person…when I found out that he was dead, it was the strangest feeling I have ever experienced….like destiny…


That's me too!! I felt so terribly heartbroken withouth knowing WHY? I was going crazy.. so I started to do some research.. I can't stop to think about his death.. THat's never happened to me with noone! It's crazy

2:39 pm
July 24, 2009


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Maybe a new religion is starting, he could be 'Jacksonchrist' .

No offense please. Just my imagination.

(sorry for my English) I wish you, Michael, to be in peace forever, wherever you are, dead or alive. From a non (always) fan, who have always respected him profoundly

3:53 pm
July 24, 2009


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lets talk said:

Michael said he wanted to be like Jesus.  That is from his strict religious background.  He used to go to homes with a disguise and try to win people for Jesus.  No mainstream artist has been acknowledged doing that. 

Michael gave alot of money to charities in the bible it says 10% but he gave 20%.  Yes he also gave alot to himself, but he earned it.


Michael was all about love, kindness, consideration for others, many in this world need to adapt that same policy make life better

for others, the world would be a much better place.


Oh i was out and about and I started talking about Michael and this college student says something is really wrong with all of that,

something does not make sense.  So there are many people who believe the same thing that we do, they just do not happen to be expressing themselves on this site.


In another forum about MJ online, someone said something about HYPOTHETICALLY if MJ had faked his death how would you feel about it?  This person was VERY clear they weren't saying MJ faked his death, but practically every person who replied seemed to feel almost some compulsive need to re-state that MJ was dead.  it was like it was some kind of faith statement.  Just bizarre.


I'm not saying MJ isn't dead, but I think if it's so self-evident that he is… then why do people feel the need to say it over and over and why are they SO uncomfortable even with this hypothetical situation?  I think a lot of people have their doubts but are just going along with the crowd cause they don't want to look crazy.


Like if your uncle dies and you're all sitting around and someone asks the hypothetical question about a death hoax, you wouldn't all go: “Yeah, but he's really dead.”  I mean that's just goofy behavior to me.

4:01 pm
July 24, 2009


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Cherry said:

Maybe a new religion is starting, he could be 'Jacksonchrist' .

No offense please. Just my imagination.


I do believe MJ is a spritiual avatar. And that a lot of spirituality is evolving to a more personal thing that is less about “intellectual belief” about the spiritual, or “organized religion” and more about just soul growth.  I feel like since MJ's death there has sort of been this mass spiritual awakening in a lot of people and these people all feel a little bit crazy trying to piece it together and figure out why they feel this way.  This of course isn't going to happen for everyone, but  I dunno, I guess there are people who are searching spiritually who have yet to find the right set of beliefs or example/spiritual avatar they can relate to, and MJ fits for them.  He's not an object of worship I don't think, but more an example to follow that is more relateable and up to date than the various avatars we already had.  I truly believe he's an old soul and in many ways a great example.  Sure he wasn't perfect, but I don't think that anyone who walks this earth is perfect.


Part of why I think he has likely died is because when he died it felt like there was this massive energy released (not to sound all weird and hokey) but it's like MJ was freed from the confines to time and space and people have had spiritual type dreams about this guy since he died, felt his “presence” near them, and other things that generally happen only in the case of an avatar.  If he's alive and in a coma, the same kind of awakening/presence could happen because there have been many stories about people in comas who aren't as confined to this plane as people who are conscious and awake physically.


Hope these thoughts don't offend or freak anyone out, but those are my metaphysical feelings on all of this.

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