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9:54 pm
August 2, 2009


Peace

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Post edited 2:57 pm – August 3, 2009 by Peace


As we all know, TMZ saw Katherine and Joe Jackson, along with Michael's brother Randy at a restaurant yesterday, and one of the TMZ people asked Joe if he thought there was a conspiracy theory involved around Michael's death. Joe seemed “unusually quiet.”


Two questions:

Why was Katherine with Joe? He's proabably just buttering her up because she gets 40% of Michael's estate, and as Joe has said in the past that they are still married and, “what's hers is mine.” So we all know where his mind is. This really refreshes the song lyrics, “i got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind. Well so does LaToya, as she's seen sporting a “Time is Money” trucker hat while shopping for designer duds in her Bentley shortly after Michael passed. Like father, like daughter! Well hopefully, not in any other way.

Where were the kids? I thought Katherine had custody? She was supposed to have them. I would think the kids would love to go to a nice restaurant too, it seems they have disappeared. We all knew this was coming.

Maybe TMZ isn't in on it, which i think is true. They just like dramatizing everything.

Stranger in Moscow

9:59 pm
August 2, 2009


MyBelovedMJ

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Peace said:

As we all know, TMZ saw Katherine and Joe Jackson, along with Michael's brother Randy at a restaurant yesterday, and one of the TMZ people asked Joe if he thought there was a conspiracy theory involved around Michael's death. Joe seemed “unusually quiet.”


Two questions:

Why was Katherine with Joe? He's proabably just buttering her up because she gets 40% of Michael's estate, and as Joe has said in the past that they are still married and, “what's hers is mine.” So we all know where his mind is. This really refreshes the song lyrics, “i got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind. Well so does LaToya, as she's seen sporting a “Time is Money” while shopping for designer duds in her Bentley shortly after Michael passed. Like father, like daughter! Well hopefully, not in any other way.

Where were the kids? I thought Katherine had custody? She should was supposed to have them. I would the kids would love to go to a nice restaurant too, it seems they have disappeared. We all knew this was coming.

Maybe TMZ isn't in on it, which i think is true. They just like dramatizing everything.


Yeah i noticed that Joe was awfull quiet. Mabye Michael told him to either say some “Wise” words, or “Shut it” before he ruins it.

I would also like to know why they didnt bring the children?


Dont think they have joined Michael yet.


Or have they??

Lets wait and see how long it will before we see any of the children again.


10:12 pm
August 2, 2009


BelieverAngel90

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Peace said:

Post edited 2:57 pm – August 3, 2009 by Peace


As we all know, TMZ saw Katherine and Joe Jackson, along with Michael's brother Randy at a restaurant yesterday, and one of the TMZ people asked Joe if he thought there was a conspiracy theory involved around Michael's death. Joe seemed “unusually quiet.”


Two questions:

Why was Katherine with Joe? He's proabably just buttering her up because she gets 40% of Michael's estate, and as Joe has said in the past that they are still married and, “what's hers is mine.” So we all know where his mind is. This really refreshes the song lyrics, “i got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind. Well so does LaToya, as she's seen sporting a “Time is Money” trucker hat while shopping for designer duds in her Bentley shortly after Michael passed. Like father, like daughter! Well hopefully, not in any other way.

Where were the kids? I thought Katherine had custody? She was supposed to have them. I would think the kids would love to go to a nice restaurant too, it seems they have disappeared. We all knew this was coming.

Maybe TMZ isn't in on it, which i think is true. They just like dramatizing everything.


I saw that … he was too quiet .. he know what is up  …. trying to be obvlious ….

“Michael … I understand … I am sad I never got to talk to you … like a normal person.” *Sweet Sweet Earth Angel A.K.A. Michael*

10:13 pm
August 2, 2009


Keisha7

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Post edited 3:55 pm – August 3, 2009 by Keisha7


Peace said:

Post edited 2:57 pm – August 3, 2009 by Peace


As we all know, TMZ saw Katherine and Joe Jackson, along with Michael's brother Randy at a restaurant yesterday, and one of the TMZ people asked Joe if he thought there was a conspiracy theory involved around Michael's death. Joe seemed “unusually quiet.”


Two questions:

Why was Katherine with Joe? He's proabably just buttering her up because she gets 40% of Michael's estate, and as Joe has said in the past that they are still married and, “what's hers is mine.” So we all know where his mind is. This really refreshes the song lyrics, “i got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind. Well so does LaToya, as she's seen sporting a “Time is Money” trucker hat while shopping for designer duds in her Bentley shortly after Michael passed. Like father, like daughter! Well hopefully, not in any other way.

Where were the kids? I thought Katherine had custody? She was supposed to have them. I would think the kids would love to go to a nice restaurant too, it seems they have disappeared. We all knew this was coming.

Maybe TMZ isn't in on it, which i think is true. They just like dramatizing everything.


Excuse me ?

 you don't know why kathrine and Joe were together , this is his wife whether you like it or not they are married, MIchael wouldn't be nothing without JOE, Joe made sure that his children who were living in poverty in the freaken Ghetto  stay out of trouble, none of them did drug, nor went to jail nor were gangsters none of the daughters were pregnant at 14,  he did what any father who cares for his kids do.

the kids were then manipulated into hating on Joe cause the power that be knows that the only way they could destroy this family is to separate the kids from their protector, so they can be exploited .

and i know what i am talking about.

cause i went through the same shit too.

if TOOKIE WILLIAMS had a father like Joe jackson  he woulldn't be sentenced to death but because he was a murderer

but he would have been governor of California, and california wouldn't go broke, cause california is ran by a jerk.

cause Joe Jackson made MJ a multi billionnaire, that's right JOe Jackson made MJ a multi billionnaire,  he made sure that MJ reached his full potential be the best that he can be,  he taught MJ morals and ethic, he taught that to everyone of his kids,

 but no the govewrnement tells you that if you spank you kids it's abuse, how dare the government to tell me how to raise my kids, i believe in corporel punishment , my mama gave it to me , ii'll give it to my kids, does that make me a bad mother ?

HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ASS KICKING MAKES SUCCESSFUL CHILDREN.

IF THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAD  FATHERS WHO DISCIPLINE THEIR CHILDREN THEN  THERE WOULD BE LESS PREGNANT TEENS, LESS GANGSTERS, JUVENILES, DRUG DEALERS,  AND LESS DISRESPECFUL KIDS BRINGING GUNS AT THE SCHOOL AND THERE WOULD DEFINITELY BE LESS VIOLENCE,  AND MORE KIDS IN SCHOOL.


JOE JACKSON DID THE RIGHT THING I PERSONALLY APPLAUD HIM JUST LIKE MJ DID IN THE MARTIN BASHIT SHOW.

HE SAID IF IT WASN'T FOR HIS FATHER AND THE WAY HE WAS RAISED HE WOULDN'T BE WHO HE IS.

AND HE WOULDN'T CHANGE IT FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD.

YES ! he made a mistake by bashing his father and also in that very same show he retracted what he said about his father. And  who was there for him when his ass was on trial ?

 his mother and father, joe was always there ready for MJ.

always supportive. and yes ! and i say yes ! i wouldn't be surprise to find out that JOHN BRANCA removed Joe Jackson's Name from the will. but trust me whether you like it or not he is MJ 's father and MJ loved him.

believe it or not thet man will get paid one way or another out of katherine 40 %  because he deserves a piece of the pie.

cause without Joe Jackson there wouldn't be :


THE MICHAEL JACKSON'S ESTATE.


i am sick and tired of people who don't know the man always bringing him down.

he has  the damn right to go to the restaurant with his wife and kids, and let me tell you blood is thicker than water and if you think for a minute that katherine will choose you over her husband and kids, then you are dead dead dead dead wrong.


this has nothing to do with money the woman wanted to go out with her man, and child period, this doesn't have to be because of money cause you can trust me on that katherine has 40 % of MJ's  money now and if you think that Joe ain't getting nothing then you just put your finger in your eye .

this is MIchael's father, and this is her husband, family first.

 you only know what you read but you don't know what is really going on.

so stop accusing this man cause if anyone was trying to save MJ from thos vultures, leeches, worms around him it was Joe Jackson,

Joe Jackson was the one who told MJ to watch out for AEG cause they are trying to  rip him off,  and he was dead right, they were trying to .


10:24 pm
August 2, 2009


MyBelovedMJ

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Post edited 3:28 pm – August 3, 2009 by MyBelovedMJ


Keisha7 said:

Peace said:

Post edited 2:57 pm – August 3, 2009 by Peace


As we all know, TMZ saw Katherine and Joe Jackson, along with Michael's brother Randy at a restaurant yesterday, and one of the TMZ people asked Joe if he thought there was a conspiracy theory involved around Michael's death. Joe seemed “unusually quiet.”


Two questions:

Why was Katherine with Joe? He's proabably just buttering her up because she gets 40% of Michael's estate, and as Joe has said in the past that they are still married and, “what's hers is mine.” So we all know where his mind is. This really refreshes the song lyrics, “i got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind. Well so does LaToya, as she's seen sporting a “Time is Money” trucker hat while shopping for designer duds in her Bentley shortly after Michael passed. Like father, like daughter! Well hopefully, not in any other way.

Where were the kids? I thought Katherine had custody? She was supposed to have them. I would think the kids would love to go to a nice restaurant too, it seems they have disappeared. We all knew this was coming.

Maybe TMZ isn't in on it, which i think is true. They just like dramatizing everything.


Excuse me ?

 you don't know why kathrine and joe were together , this is his wife wheter you like it or not they are amrried, MIchael wouldn't be nothing without JOe,

 i am sick and tired of people who don't know the man always bringing him down.

 he has  the damn right to go to the restaurant with his wife and kids, and let me tell you blood is thicker than water and if you think for a minute that katherine will choose you over her husband and kids, then you are dead dead dead dead wrong.


this has nothing to do with money the woman wantyed to go out with her man, and child period, this doesn't have to be because of money cause you can trust me on that katherine has 40 % of MJ's  money now and if you think that Joe ain't getting nothing then you just put your finger in your eye .

this is MIchael's father, and this is her husband, family first.

 you only know what you read but you don't know what is really going on.

so stop accusing this man cause if anyone was trying to save MJ from thos vultures, leeches, worms around him it was Joe Jackson,

Joe Jackson was the one who told MJ to watch out for AEG cause they are trying to  rip him off,  and he was dead right, they were trying to .



I hear ya.


But not all of us us “ONLY KNOW WHAT WE READ ABOUT”  But i understand you. Ofcause he has the right too be with her.

They have been sepparated for 5 years, and I understand why they are together in these “hard” days.


BTW Michael WOULD be something without Joe, Joe helped him and his Brothers along the way to” motown”, and with the records and all that stuff we all know that. He has a huge part in Michaels succes!! But Michael would still be a star without Joe, cause if Joe hadent got Michael to “Motown” someone else would have.


Im sorry But in my opinion, I dont understand where you get the part from “Katrine choosing us over her family” Jezzzz I mean who said that?

Ofcause she would not do that, they are family, no matter what


I know Joe Told him about AEG and warned him.


I understand that you are upset, but please, do only speak to the one person you are talking about. 

And not all of us.


Sorry if i offended you with this. I just wanted to voice my opinion


Have a nice day


10:28 pm
August 2, 2009


Keisha7

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MyBelovedMJ said:

Post edited 3:26 pm – August 3, 2009 by MyBelovedMJ


Keisha7 said:

Peace said:

Post edited 2:57 pm – August 3, 2009 by Peace


As we all know, TMZ saw Katherine and Joe Jackson, along with Michael's brother Randy at a restaurant yesterday, and one of the TMZ people asked Joe if he thought there was a conspiracy theory involved around Michael's death. Joe seemed “unusually quiet.”


Two questions:

Why was Katherine with Joe? He's proabably just buttering her up because she gets 40% of Michael's estate, and as Joe has said in the past that they are still married and, “what's hers is mine.” So we all know where his mind is. This really refreshes the song lyrics, “i got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind. Well so does LaToya, as she's seen sporting a “Time is Money” trucker hat while shopping for designer duds in her Bentley shortly after Michael passed. Like father, like daughter! Well hopefully, not in any other way.

Where were the kids? I thought Katherine had custody? She was supposed to have them. I would think the kids would love to go to a nice restaurant too, it seems they have disappeared. We all knew this was coming.

Maybe TMZ isn't in on it, which i think is true. They just like dramatizing everything.


Excuse me ?

 you don't know why kathrine and joe were together , this is his wife wheter you like it or not they are amrried, MIchael wouldn't be nothing without JOe,

 i am sick and tired of people who don't know the man always bringing him down.

 he has  the damn right to go to the restaurant with his wife and kids, and let me tell you blood is thicker than water and if you think for a minute that katherine will choose you over her husband and kids, then you are dead dead dead dead wrong.


this has nothing to do with money the woman wantyed to go out with her man, and child period, this doesn't have to be because of money cause you can trust me on that katherine has 40 % of MJ's  money now and if you think that Joe ain't getting nothing then you just put your finger in your eye .

this is MIchael's father, and this is her husband, family first.

 you only know what you read but you don't know what is really going on.

so stop accusing this man cause if anyone was trying to save MJ from thos vultures, leeches, worms around him it was Joe Jackson,

Joe Jackson was the one who told MJ to watch out for AEG cause they are trying to  rip him off,  and he was dead right, they were trying to .



I hear ya.


But not all of us is “ONLY KNOW WHAT WE READ ABOUT”  But i understand you. Ofcause he has the right to be with her.

They have been sepparated for 5 years, and I understand why they are together in these “hard” days.


BTW Michael WOULD be something without Joe, Joe helped him and his Brothers along the way to” motown”, and with the records and all that stuff we all know that. He has a huge part in Michaels succes!! But Michael would still be a star without Joe, cause if Joe hadent got Michael to “Motown” someone else would have.


Im sorry But in my opinion, I dont understand where you get the part from “Katraine choosingus over her family” Jezzzz I mean who said that?

Ofcause she would not do that, they are family, no matter what


I know Joe Told him about AEG and warned him.


I understand that you are upset, but please, do only speak to the one person you are talking about. 

And not all of us.


Sorry if i offended you with this. I just wanted to voice my opinion


Have a nice day



Peace i wasn't talking to you but i am really getting sick and tired of people who never met the man never hung out with him judge him this way,


10:31 pm
August 2, 2009


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Just because she has custody doesn't mean they are tied to her hip 24/7.

10:32 pm
August 2, 2009


Keisha7

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Post edited 3:33 pm – August 3, 2009 by Keisha7


Tenderoni said:

Just because she has custody doesn't mean they are tied to her hip 24/7.


HA HA ! that was funny, you are right your kids are not tied to you hip, otherwise how can you use the bathroom ?

 lol !

10:33 pm
August 2, 2009


Tenderoni

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Keisha7 said:

Tenderoni said:

Just because she has custody doesn't mean they are tied to her hip 24/7.


HA HA ! that was funny, you are right your kids are not tied to you hip, otherwise how can you use the batheroom ?

 lol !


LOL!  I don't know, my best friend's 4 year old follows her in THERE with her, too! 

10:34 pm
August 2, 2009


MyBelovedMJ

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Post edited 3:37 pm – August 3, 2009 by MyBelovedMJ


Tenderoni said:

Just because she has custody doesn't mean they are tied to her hip 24/7.


Okey Thanks!


I know about the children. DAMN

I got kids on my own.


But if they just lost their father, i would take them with me anywhere


Im just saying.


BTW did you hang out with the Jackson family??

10:38 pm
August 2, 2009


Tenderoni

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MyBelovedMJ said:

Tenderoni said:

Just because she has custody doesn't mean they are tied to her hip 24/7.


Okey Thanks!


Did you hang out with the Jackson family??


Me?  No.  I don't know any of the Jacksons.  But I do know that parents/custodians/guardians go out with their children/wards sometimes. 

10:40 pm
August 2, 2009


Tenderoni

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I wouldn't take my kids everywhere.  Sometimes grown ups talk about things kids don't need to hear.  Maybe they were at a church function or staying with relatives (a sleepover with cousins, perhaps), or maybe they stopped for dinner after meeting with lawyers, or accountants, or any number of other reasons. 


I only pointed it out because the OP made it sound like it was suspicious that they weren't there.  Can you IMAGINE the media CIRCUS if those kids were just sitting in a restaurant right now?  These aren't your kids or mine, these are MICHAEL JACKSON's kids.

10:41 pm
August 2, 2009


MyBelovedMJ

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Tenderoni said:

MyBelovedMJ said:

Tenderoni said:

Just because she has custody doesn't mean they are tied to her hip 24/7.


Okey Thanks!


Did you hang out with the Jackson family??


Me?  No.  I don't know any of the Jacksons.  But I do know that parents/custodians/guardians go out with their children/wards sometimes. 


Okey Thats all i needed to know


LOL


I NEVER go out without my children.


Okey sorry im kidding… I just like to tease people… Im going to bed. 

1:19 pm
August 3, 2009


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Peace said:

Post edited 2:57 pm – August 3, 2009 by Peace


As we all know, TMZ saw Katherine and Joe Jackson, along with Michael's brother Randy at a restaurant yesterday, and one of the TMZ people asked Joe if he thought there was a conspiracy theory involved around Michael's death. Joe seemed “unusually quiet.”


Two questions:

Why was Katherine with Joe? He's proabably just buttering her up because she gets 40% of Michael's estate, and as Joe has said in the past that they are still married and, “what's hers is mine.” So we all know where his mind is. This really refreshes the song lyrics, “i got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind. Well so does LaToya, as she's seen sporting a “Time is Money” trucker hat while shopping for designer duds in her Bentley shortly after Michael passed. Like father, like daughter! Well hopefully, not in any other way.

Where were the kids? I thought Katherine had custody? She was supposed to have them. I would think the kids would love to go to a nice restaurant too, it seems they have disappeared. We all knew this was coming.

Maybe TMZ isn't in on it, which i think is true. They just like dramatizing everything.


Money Money, geez.

MJ IS TOOO SEXY !!!!

11:22 pm
August 3, 2009


Peace

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Post edited 4:26 pm – August 4, 2009 by Peace


Keisha7 said:

Post edited 3:55 pm – August 3, 2009 by Keisha7


Peace said:

Post edited 2:57 pm – August 3, 2009 by Peace


As we all know, TMZ saw Katherine and Joe Jackson, along with Michael's brother Randy at a restaurant yesterday, and one of the TMZ people asked Joe if he thought there was a conspiracy theory involved around Michael's death. Joe seemed “unusually quiet.”


Two questions:

Why was Katherine with Joe? He's proabably just buttering her up because she gets 40% of Michael's estate, and as Joe has said in the past that they are still married and, “what's hers is mine.” So we all know where his mind is. This really refreshes the song lyrics, “i got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind. Well so does LaToya, as she's seen sporting a “Time is Money” trucker hat while shopping for designer duds in her Bentley shortly after Michael passed. Like father, like daughter! Well hopefully, not in any other way.

Where were the kids? I thought Katherine had custody? She was supposed to have them. I would think the kids would love to go to a nice restaurant too, it seems they have disappeared. We all knew this was coming.

Maybe TMZ isn't in on it, which i think is true. They just like dramatizing everything.


Excuse me ?

 you don't know why kathrine and Joe were together , this is his wife whether you like it or not they are married, MIchael wouldn't be nothing without JOE, Joe made sure that his children who were living in poverty in the freaken Ghetto  stay out of trouble, none of them did drug, nor went to jail nor were gangsters none of the daughters were pregnant at 14,  he did what any father who cares for his kids do.

the kids were then manipulated into hating on Joe cause the power that be knows that the only way they could destroy this family is to separate the kids from their protector, so they can be exploited .

and i know what i am talking about.

cause i went through the same shit too.

if TOOKIE WILLIAMS had a father like Joe jackson  he woulldn't be sentenced to death but because he was a murderer

but he would have been governor of California, and california wouldn't go broke, cause california is ran by a jerk.

cause Joe Jackson made MJ a multi billionnaire, that's right JOe Jackson made MJ a multi billionnaire,  he made sure that MJ reached his full potential be the best that he can be,  he taught MJ morals and ethic, he taught that to everyone of his kids,

 but no the govewrnement tells you that if you spank you kids it's abuse, how dare the government to tell me how to raise my kids, i believe in corporel punishment , my mama gave it to me , ii'll give it to my kids, does that make me a bad mother ?

HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ASS KICKING MAKES SUCCESSFUL CHILDREN.

IF THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAD  FATHERS WHO DISCIPLINE THEIR CHILDREN THEN  THERE WOULD BE LESS PREGNANT TEENS, LESS GANGSTERS, JUVENILES, DRUG DEALERS,  AND LESS DISRESPECFUL KIDS BRINGING GUNS AT THE SCHOOL AND THERE WOULD DEFINITELY BE LESS VIOLENCE,  AND MORE KIDS IN SCHOOL.


JOE JACKSON DID THE RIGHT THING I PERSONALLY APPLAUD HIM JUST LIKE MJ DID IN THE MARTIN BASHIT SHOW.

HE SAID IF IT WASN'T FOR HIS FATHER AND THE WAY HE WAS RAISED HE WOULDN'T BE WHO HE IS.

AND HE WOULDN'T CHANGE IT FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD.

YES ! he made a mistake by bashing his father and also in that very same show he retracted what he said about his father. And  who was there for him when his ass was on trial ?

 his mother and father, joe was always there ready for MJ.

always supportive. and yes ! and i say yes ! i wouldn't be surprise to find out that JOHN BRANCA removed Joe Jackson's Name from the will. but trust me whether you like it or not he is MJ 's father and MJ loved him.

believe it or not thet man will get paid one way or another out of katherine 40 %  because he deserves a piece of the pie.

cause without Joe Jackson there wouldn't be :


THE MICHAEL JACKSON'S ESTATE.


i am sick and tired of people who don't know the man always bringing him down.

he has  the damn right to go to the restaurant with his wife and kids, and let me tell you blood is thicker than water and if you think for a minute that katherine will choose you over her husband and kids, then you are dead dead dead dead wrong.


this has nothing to do with money the woman wanted to go out with her man, and child period, this doesn't have to be because of money cause you can trust me on that katherine has 40 % of MJ's  money now and if you think that Joe ain't getting nothing then you just put your finger in your eye .

this is MIchael's father, and this is her husband, family first.

 you only know what you read but you don't know what is really going on.

so stop accusing this man cause if anyone was trying to save MJ from thos vultures, leeches, worms around him it was Joe Jackson,

Joe Jackson was the one who told MJ to watch out for AEG cause they are trying to  rip him off,  and he was dead right, they were trying to .



Are you serious?

Is that why Joe was living in Vegas the whole time before Michael passed away, while Katherine was still at the Jackson family compound in California? I guess he never cheated on her once then, back in the day? This is none of our business but you know the truth. If he was such a loving husband, you don't think he'd be living in sin city. I guess everyone lies about him then. He was promoting his record label 2 days after Michael passed away, and he wasn't aware that Michael had a drug problem, and acted like he didn't know. He must of not been very close to the son he made famous? That sounds weird, doesn't it? If he was such a great father, his children would be praising him. Maybe he's a good grand father, i guess that's why he's not allowed around the kids. 

As for 'ass kicking' there is a difference between spanking and slapping you with an ironing cord, or hitting you with anything lying around, like tree branches. That's pretty sad if you have to beat your kids 'asses' so they don't become pregnant teens or drug dealers. Does that lessen the value of your words? Children should respect their parents starting at a very young age by listening to them, and communicating. Anyway this has nothing to do with Michael Jackson, just losers i know exist. I believe you have it wrong, Joe wouldn't be anything without Michael. He always had a belt in his hand during their practices. That is horrible, i'm sorry. I don't care how rich or poor, famous, not famous someone is, i don't believe in that. No, spanking is not child abuse. There is a fine line, and if you can't tell then i'm sorry. If Michael wasn't so talented since he was born, i can assure you it was not Joe's talent that got the Michael Jackson Estate. It was strictness, and a no love relationship. His kids couldn't even call him dad. He was known to them as Joe. How sad.

So i guess you're saying the only option to stardom or other success is to beat your children, to get what you want out of life, or your kids lives, and i guess your only options are successful children or drug dealer type lowlifes, try just normal. Not everyone's successful, we fall, but we get back up again. Success is a goal. We support our children, and hope they make the right decisions in life, and remember the things we have told them, words of wisdom. We don't want them to remember beatings, and living in fear of failing. There is such things as actually talking to your kids, and telling them right from wrong, you know, morals. They could of been famous without all the pressure, beatdowns, breakdowns, and insults. I might not know Joe, or have seen it all or hung out with him, but i can assure you, i've seen enough.

I take Michael's words over yours anyday.

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