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9:38 pm July 13, 2009
| closepaltomj
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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/…..476692/pg1
Just scroll down this page–a very interesting read.
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9:43 pm July 13, 2009
| closepaltomj
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10:07 pm July 13, 2009
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OOOOhhh i never seen this video from this angle, what happened in the van?
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#…..ideosearch
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10:47 pm July 13, 2009
| Give.In.To.Me
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OMG!!! I know MJ was thin but seriously, that is the FLATTEST “body” I have EVER seen in my life, you?? That loos like nothing more than a board wrapped in a white sheet. Defiantely no body there. And what exactly was the reasoning behind needing a helicopter to transport, why not what they use for everybody else. EVERYTHING is just so damn in your face filmed footage. As if to remind us or force us to think “hey, remember MJ is dead”.
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Can you feel it..
Can you feel it…
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11:14 pm July 13, 2009
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Yes, but there is somebody more in the helicopter… you can see a “resurrection” body sitting up slowly and picking red clothes, maybe the real Michael stayed in the helicopter as the wrapped “thing” was getting into the van.
I´m blind to see the vid thousand times, but… in the van it looks like the man unwrap the “thing” and somethig red is visible… maybe the read clothes from the helicopter?
Why? It´s sooooo weird
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11:18 pm July 13, 2009
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11:22 pm July 13, 2009
| Wendy Darling
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Seeing this vid there is no trace of doubts friends, MICHAEL IS ALIVE.
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6:22 am July 14, 2009
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ok, i was watching this video of the body transport…
now this is prob. nothing…
but at he end…
there are 2 cops standing on the bottom right.
they walk over and shake hand with one of the chopper guys…
one of the cops hand reaches into his pocket and hands him something….
i sure it wasn't a tip or gas money or the keys to the van…lol,
what could it be?
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To find the truth…
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7:37 am July 14, 2009
| yaya
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maybe it was a wad of cash for getting er dun! the hoax, that is. or maybe a special note from michael that his part of the hoax was well done. i dunno.
btw, the concerts were to have started yesterday, the 13th. did any events take place in london? i hadn't heard anything about it. i'm just anxious in all of this. it's like i NEED to hear something everyday (not on the news)! watching the news about it makes me feel icky.
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7:53 am July 14, 2009
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Wendy,
That is a new link I haven't seen. Thank you! I mean, it gives us a different angle.
Like one commenter already said…that is the flatest body I have ever seen. If you play that video again, notice when they are in the van the men in there when taking MJ off the helicopter stretcher to put him down on their stretcher, just take the body and just plunk him down. Nice respect guys!
I wonder if there are any more videos of other angles from this day…. oh boy…it's going to be another one of those days where I sit at the computer looking for clues right?
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You bash abusing victimize within the scheme
You try to cope with every lie they scrutinize
Somebody please have mercy cause I just can’t take it ”
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8:35 am July 14, 2009
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I agree, when in the van they pick up the body with so much ease and then just practically drop it on the van floor
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5:57 pm July 14, 2009
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Hey PEEPS!!
I just watched this video as posted up above…….of them moving MJ's alleged body from the chopper to the van.
Now pay CLOSE attention to the narrowest end of the body, which is going directly into the van. That would obviously have to be the feet. But notice they are flat.
I've been in healthcare for many years, have unfortunately seen my share of bodies, taken many to the morgue……and I can tell you, when a person is deceased, their feet are upright……and they're not going to drop because of rigor mortis. Don't believe me? Go go Google Images and type in “body in morgue” and you'll see plenty of pictures, you'll see the toes facing upward. You most certainly do NOT see this in the supposed 'body' that's going into the van. Sorry folks, that's no body.
Also, even if MJ was only a mere 112 lbs, the crew would have been shown to exert more effort than is shown, to transfer the body.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#…..ideosearch
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6:15 pm July 14, 2009
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THATS COMPLETELY TRUE GEORGE!
curious_george said:
Hey PEEPS!!
I just watched this video as posted up above…….of them moving MJ's alleged body from the chopper to the van.
Now pay CLOSE attention to the narrowest end of the body, which is going directly into the van. That would obviously have to be the feet. But notice they are flat.
I've been in healthcare for many years, have unfortunately seen my share of bodies, taken many to the morgue……and I can tell you, when a person is deceased, their feet are upright……and they're not going to drop because of rigor mortis. Don't believe me? Go go Google Images and type in “body in morgue” and you'll see plenty of pictures, you'll see the toes facing upward. You most certainly do NOT see this in the supposed 'body' that's going into the van. Sorry folks, that's no body.
Also, even if MJ was only a mere 112 lbs, the crew would have been shown to exert more effort than is shown, to transfer the body.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#…..ideosearch
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6:29 pm July 14, 2009
| Miss Dahmer
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curious_george said:
Hey PEEPS!!
I just watched this video as posted up above…….of them moving MJ's alleged body from the chopper to the van.
Now pay CLOSE attention to the narrowest end of the body, which is going directly into the van. That would obviously have to be the feet. But notice they are flat.
I've been in healthcare for many years, have unfortunately seen my share of bodies, taken many to the morgue……and I can tell you, when a person is deceased, their feet are upright……and they're not going to drop because of rigor mortis. Don't believe me? Go go Google Images and type in “body in morgue” and you'll see plenty of pictures, you'll see the toes facing upward. You most certainly do NOT see this in the supposed 'body' that's going into the van. Sorry folks, that's no body.
Also, even if MJ was only a mere 112 lbs, the crew would have been shown to exert more effort than is shown, to transfer the body.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#…..ideosearch
AGREED! That just proves to us all that MJ is NOT DEAD!!!
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7:35 pm July 14, 2009
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Wow.. those feet are flat…good observation!
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All truth in the long run is only common sense clarified. -Thomas Henry Huxley
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7:40 pm July 14, 2009
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And why is MJ wrapped up in a white sheet looking thing? I thought dead people were transported in body-bags – something larger with zippers? I may be completely wrong.. I really don't know much regarding the topic of dead people. But maybe a lighter sheet like material was used so the person inside could breathe??? Curious-George – maybe you can shed some light on this…
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7:41 pm July 14, 2009
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And I wonder also, why the man (into the van) who is going to move the body, try to close the door so desperately before doing it? maybe for us not to see the 'no-body'… or maybe it's a silly question.
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I wish you, Michael, to be in peace forever, wherever you are, dead or alive.
From a non (always) fan, who have always respected him profoundly
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7:51 pm July 14, 2009
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Post edited 12:55 pm – July 15, 2009 by curious_george
Hi Arual,
Hmmm, body bag vs white sheet to transport from hospital to coroner's office. I really don't know. Generally the majority of experiences I had were with patients who were terminally ill so they weren't considered “coroner's cases” and all we'd do is wrap up (according to a protocol) in a sheet, tag toe, tag outside of sheet, put in drawer in morgue. With coroner's cases (unexpected death), we were naturally to leave all tubes in place (IV, catheter, central line, NG tube, etc), wrap and take to morgue. I worked in mostly smaller hospitals so the coroner would generally do the autopsy down in the hospital morgue. If the body had to be transported out? Can't honestly recall any cases where this was required but can't say it didn't happen. I don't believe any hospital I worked in had a body bag, you just wrapped in a sheet…..but again, small hospital and bodies weren't sent out for autopsies, they were done on-site. I wonder if UCLA Medical Center has any kind of post-mortum protocol with respect to handling of the body prior to sending out/off-site to coroner. I imagine if they did it likely wouldn't be accessible online to the general public….probably just internally. I would think on one hand though, if it's a coroner's case you'd want to be meticulously careful when handling the body, to prevent any damage or contamination of evidence that could impact autopsy/findings….so you'd almost think it would make sense to transport body in a proper bag as opposed to what appeared to be a light sheet. I really don't know for certain………..but I do know something was awfully funky with the feet in this picture, not the least bit believable.
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8:04 pm July 14, 2009
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HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just watched the video again. Wanted to see if any of the crew were wearing gloves….which anyone who's handling/transporting a body would naturally do, for obvious reasons. Of the 2 guys in dark blue….the ones who were with the coroner's office/van……..only one of them was wearing gloves. The one who got into the van first was not wearing them (the other was). You can clearly see he's not wearing them just after they've put the 'body' into the van and I suspect because of the chopper hovering overhead, he was quickly trying to close the left back door……….and you can see his hand, no glove. You would think that someone whose job was transporting bodies for the coroner's office would KNOW……you always wear gloves (risk of body fluid leakage). That strikes me as very odd, too.
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8:23 pm July 14, 2009
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curious_george said:
HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just watched the video again. Wanted to see if any of the crew were wearing gloves….which anyone who's handling/transporting a body would naturally do, for obvious reasons. Of the 2 guys in dark blue….the ones who were with the coroner's office/van……..only one of them was wearing gloves. The one who got into the van first was not wearing them (the other was). You can clearly see he's not wearing them just after they've put the 'body' into the van and I suspect because of the chopper hovering overhead, he was quickly trying to close the left back door……….and you can see his hand, no glove. You would think that someone whose job was transporting bodies for the coroner's office would KNOW……you always wear gloves (risk of body fluid leakage). That strikes me as very odd, too.
WHOA!
AND THE PLOT THICKENS ONCE AGAIN!
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8:30 pm July 14, 2009
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jackoforever91 said:
curious_george said:
HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just watched the video again. Wanted to see if any of the crew were wearing gloves….which anyone who's handling/transporting a body would naturally do, for obvious reasons. Of the 2 guys in dark blue….the ones who were with the coroner's office/van……..only one of them was wearing gloves. The one who got into the van first was not wearing them (the other was). You can clearly see he's not wearing them just after they've put the 'body' into the van and I suspect because of the chopper hovering overhead, he was quickly trying to close the left back door……….and you can see his hand, no glove. You would think that someone whose job was transporting bodies for the coroner's office would KNOW……you always wear gloves (risk of body fluid leakage). That strikes me as very odd, too.
WHOA!
AND THE PLOT THICKENS ONCE AGAIN!
Yessssss it does! Goodness.
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8:33 pm July 14, 2009
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Andrea said:
curious_george said:
Hey PEEPS!!
I just watched this video as posted up above…….of them moving MJ's alleged body from the chopper to the van.
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Now pay CLOSE attention to the narrowest end of the body, which is going directly into the van. That would obviously have to be the feet. But notice they are flat.
I've been in healthcare for many years, have unfortunately seen my share of bodies, taken many to the morgue……and I can tell you, when a person is deceased, their feet are upright……and they're not going to drop because of rigor mortis. Don't believe me? Go go Google Images and type in “body in morgue” and you'll see plenty of pictures, you'll see the toes facing upward. You most certainly do NOT see this in the supposed 'body' that's going into the van. Sorry folks, that's no body.
Also, even if MJ was only a mere 112 lbs, the crew would have been shown to exert more effort than is shown, to transfer the body.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#…..ideosearch
AGREED! That just proves to us all that MJ is NOT DEAD!!!
i'm glad you pointed that out about the feet! didn't even notice it. now that i watch it, i'm convinced there's no body in there. they coulda done a better job with making it look more real. so was it a doll in there or what?
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Source: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wi…..gor_mortis
Rigor Mortis is a condition that affects a human body after death. Rigor mortis caused the muscles in the body to become rigid. It starts to happen three to four hours after death. Twelve hours after death, the muscles have become fully rigid. The condition usually lasts until 36 hours after death. At that time, the muscles start to relax.
It starts at the eyes and it ends at the feet.
How long after decease was MJ brought to the morgue?
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3:42 am July 15, 2009
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VanillaCream said:
Source: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wi…..gor_mortis
Rigor Mortis is a condition that affects a human body after death. Rigor mortis caused the muscles in the body to become rigid. It starts to happen three to four hours after death. Twelve hours after death, the muscles have become fully rigid. The condition usually lasts until 36 hours after death. At that time, the muscles start to relax.
It starts at the eyes and it ends at the feet.
How long after decease was MJ brought to the morgue?
if I'm not wrong, it's a day after at most; def not till the maximum of 36 hours, and that's where it turns a lil spooky.
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10:25 pm July 15, 2009
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What strikes me as strange is how the body clearly bends in the helicopter–without much trouble. It looks like the body is still VERY flexible! (Perhaps someone WAS pulling it to get it out of the view from the other helicopter filming vs. it sitting up on its own) However, when the body is moved to the van–it looks incredibly stiff and rigid. You are right–NO toes pointing up–no shape whatsoever under that white sheet. Even at 112 lbs, Michael would still have a shape under that sheet!
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6:35 am July 16, 2009
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I have seen te link and if there is a body out there its verry flat! look at 1.17 ther totally no body at 1:17
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#…..ideosearch
God bless you
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10:36 am July 16, 2009
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jewell said:
ok, i was watching this video of the body transport…
now this is prob. nothing…
but at he end…
there are 2 cops standing on the bottom right.
they walk over and shake hand with one of the chopper guys…
one of the cops hand reaches into his pocket and hands him something….
i sure it wasn't a tip or gas money or the keys to the van…lol,
what could it be?
Nothing, stop spreading conspiracy, I don't see any cops hand in pocket, they just shake hands as it's polite to do
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9:48 am July 20, 2009
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Wendy Darling said:
Yes, but there is somebody more in the helicopter… you can see a “resurrection” body sitting up slowly and picking red clothes, maybe the real Michael stayed in the helicopter as the wrapped “thing” was getting into the van.
I´m blind to see the vid thousand times, but… in the van it looks like the man unwrap the “thing” and somethig red is visible… maybe the read clothes from the helicopter?
Why? It´s sooooo weird
you are right
some people says that a man in the orange clothes took him up so it looked like he was sitting up but
how could he do that he can move a body with one hand? then he has to use both hands maybe but then how would he take of the “stretchers”<? from his body?
sorry cant write english i am from denmark
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I know deep in my heart that Michael is alive<3<3
Who´s BAD= MICHAEL`S BAD
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10:20 am July 20, 2009
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IloveMJ said:
Wendy Darling said:
Yes, but there is somebody more in the helicopter… you can see a “resurrection” body sitting up slowly and picking red clothes, maybe the real Michael stayed in the helicopter as the wrapped “thing” was getting into the van.
I´m blind to see the vid thousand times, but… in the van it looks like the man unwrap the “thing” and somethig red is visible… maybe the read clothes from the helicopter?
Why? It´s sooooo weird
you are right
some people says that a man in the orange clothes took him up so it looked like he was sitting up but
how could he do that he can move a body with one hand? then he has to use both hands maybe but then how would he take of the “stretchers”<? from his body?
sorry cant write english i am from denmark
Yes, that's true and why did they take the straps off before they took him out of the helicopter? The body could have fallen from the board..
And I think it's weird also how the man in the van tries to keep the doors closed like there is something to hide..
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11:04 am July 20, 2009
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If it was MJ's body covered with the sheet, when they took the body from the hospital into the helicopter, where did they take the body, if they didn't take it into the coroner's van? Have they already buried him? Or was there a dead body at all?
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