Michael Jackson Hoax Death

Well said.
My personal theory is that Michael Jackson is alive and kicking, but not hiding out with “Tupac and Elvis”.
Michael Jackson does this kind of shit, starting rumours of sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber and buying the remains of the elephant man. It’s all a facade.

Nah. I think some memorial concert at the o2 will emerge and Michael will reveal himself, go on with the show, and present himself as the biggest genius of them all.

Who can beat the prospect of a comeback when he’d be coming back from the ‘dead’?
No one. People would be pissed, inevitably, but it would be the greatest.

As a ticket holder myself, however, I may just be being hopeful.

Who knows…
Keep up the good site.

Michael’s brother Jermaine said that he saw Michael’s body at the hospital, and that he held himself togehter because Michael was still alive, that his spirit was still here and his body was just a shell.. it sound a little wierd to me.. maybe it’s just me.. :S

actually that Debbie Rowe interview was proven to be a fake. She spoke to Radaronline about what the truth was, she also said a few years ago that those ARE Michael Jackson’s biological kids.

http://momsword.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2085:those-are-michael-jacksons-biological-kids&catid=1:latest-reviews&Itemid=50

do I think he is alive? There is a chance. And if he staged his death and came back for the concert, it would be awesome …but I don’t think he is. sadly and I actually met him in person before. RIP MJ. I wish and hope I am wrong.

He’ll come back when music officially dies, which shouldn’t be too long now….

First of all, that Debbie Rowe story is fake. So, lets leave that alone. But that is actually even better news. That means that the media has gotten so caught up in this they themselves believe anything until proven otherwise. They even believed the fake autopsy story. So, it is possible for Michael to pull off a fake death because the media latches on to everything. In my heart, I feel like something is going to surface at the memorial. I know that may just be wishful thinking but the way people involve phrase things are wierd to say the least. They keep saying its all about the fans. Well, a memorial should not be all about the fans. It should be about Michael, right? Jermaine is too damn persistent about having Michaels body buried at Neverland. He says its what Michael would have wanted. He says lets look at what Michael wants. Well, didnt MIchael say he would never return to Neverland, so it’s almost as if Michael changed his mind and is letting his family know. See, it feels like they are trying to change the public’s negative image of Neverland. If you have wathced Larry King Live, then you probably have found your self loving that place. I know I have. Just listen to Jermaine when he talks. I know people always say I feel them in spirit, when someone dies, but the way Jermaine says it is interesting. Even Miko’s wife said it’s like he hasnt left. And I have yet to see a tear roll down Jermaine’s eyes. He has had watery eyes, but no tears. Anyway I hope not to offend anyone by offering my thoughts, but if you are on this site, then you yourself believe something is going on as well. Sorry, if my thoughts sound jumbled. I have somewhere to be in a few, and I really wanted to leave my thoughts on this. Have a happy holiday people. Remmeber, do not believe everything in the media. The media barely knows what is true or false themselves.

im afriad i dont agree with the latest footage of michaels last performance either the routine is identical to the history world tour having seen the history tour 12yrs ago as soon as i saw this new released footage i had a feeling id seen it before so i did some comparing and viewed both bits of footage the lastest one and they dont care about us history tour and suprise the dancing and the song set are the same he sings they dont care about us then u hear the american theme from history then u hear a car horn from she drives me wild along with his marching soliders so why keep the routine identical after 12yr gap with no changes?

I haven’t heard anything about a Death Certificate. I don’t believe he’s dead. I know people might say that is disrespectful, but I just have a feeling that his not. There’s way too many stories out there on different news stations, including the internet. They’re saying Michal Jackson was addicted to painkillers since 1984. I kind of find that hard to believe, because, someone would at least came out years ago and said he’s addicted to Pain Meds.
The family do not seem at all sad?
Especially Joe Jackson, WOW!!!!

Just my opinion!! I know he is out there somewhere, but not in America!!!! I don’t blame hime for doing any of this, if i’m right. He was mistreated so badly for so many years. The Hyperbaric chamber story, Michael himself actually “leaked” that one.
I don’t know, something’s just weird!!!!

Why is it that we can see Michael’s will, and his childrens birth certificates but no one has bothered to look at the death certificate? We are just accepting what the media tells us.

I sincerely hope that something happens at the Memorial today, if not then I will just have to accept that Michael Jackson is no more. What better way to kick off a world tour than by coming back from the dead and performing at your own memorial-when all the world is watching!!!

You are right. Why hasnt anyone questioned the death certificate? Isnt it odd that neither of the doctors would sign it?

But, i would like to know about the Death certificate also, because if someone dosen`t sign it, you are not dead, on the paper. I have hoped that we got to see Michael`s Body, but we didn`t .

I believe the “memorial” just seemed “different”, if he really was “dead” why didn’t they have the casket open? The family wasn’t really tearing up. Especially his children, so that was weird. No on is questioning how he “died”?
They just taking about “drugs” and “what’s going to happen with the children”? After the Staples Center, the stopped at the Hotel, while the hearse went elsewhere? That seriously does not make sense. He supposely been “dead” for almost 2 weeks, how can you not know where to bury your family member. In plus, no one knows where his body is at…. The death certificate, I believe is fake, anyone can make those. It’s not even signed by any doctors.. It doesn’t matter if it’s deferred, a doctor would still sign the certificxate.
Things are not adding up, Usher, was more emotional then his “OWN” family. Yeah paris got emotional after she played with her purse straps for about 5 minutes. Then she did a 180, as soon as she stepped to the microphone. The eldest son was chewing gum like crazy, he didn’t even seem sad. And the youngest was doing anything, but staring…. I doubt if there was a body in the coffin. I still think he’s a live.
Why have a “Private” funeral first, then transfer his body to the Staples Center, it could of been the other way around.
At the end of the memorial, it showed “I’m still Alive” Huh? No one is questioning anything, they’re believing the media!!!!

I do not believe that Michael Jackson is dead either. There are too many inconsistencies in all of it for it to be true. First of all…the 911 caller is very calm and if my employer were Michael Jackson and he was not breathing, I would be hysterical on the phone or you would at least be able to hear a sense of urgency in my voice. He never mentions that it is Michael Jackson, either. I would. Now, do you want to tell me that a medical doctor with years of experience would be attempting to perform CPR on a surface such as a soft bed? C’mon! I’ve taken many CPR classes and the very first thing they teach you is to try to have the body on a hard surface…the dr. had to be told this by the 911 operator? Ludicrous! And it wasn’t as if he had been in an accident and could have had broken bones and that’s why he hadn’t moved him to the floor! Also…none of his family is showing any type of emotion concerning his death. I can’t believe it when I see the videos of them. No one is crying or anything. When Matt Laurer interviewed Jermaine at Neverland, he might have had one tear stream from his eye, but it almost seems as if he had to force that. And, he said that he saw Michael’s Michael’s body because he needed to and his last statement was, “he’s very much alive.” (He meant in the hearts of all people or it was said in that manner so we would understand it that way.

I personally do not believe that the man giving the press conference in London was Michael Jackson. He was just so wrong in every way…the look, the sound, his mannerisms, even the way he walked. You cannnot convince me that it was him. I am not sure of what the significance of this is and how it relates to his death, but it is still very odd.

There are more inconsistencies…there was going to initially be a public viewing and that didn’t happen. No one has seen the body. Even when Elvis died, there was a photo of him in the coffin. How are we to know that Michael’s body was even in that coffin at all? It could very well have been empty for all we know. And, I agree with the person on here who said that it is strange that the family have a private memorial service at the cemetary before the public memorial service. Now we hear that Michael is not even going to be buriend in that cemetary at all.

I would believe if it anyone had seen his body, but I cannot find anything on that anywhere on the internet.

I know I’m rambling, so I’ll sign off for now and see what develops.

I agree its very strange there are still no pictures of the dead Michael Jackson. Not in his coffin, no pictures of the family at Forest Lawns. Makes you wonder… as the paparazi are following these people like vultures, there should have been any photos.

This also makes the picture of Michael being rushed into the hospital more suspicious. At that moment almost no one knows about his situation, how is it possible that just at that moment the only photo is taken at that exact place? It should have been unknown that it was Michael jackson as the 911 call doesn’t reveal a name of the gentleman.

There is a lot of media coverage on his assumed death, and this picture is all we’ve got. The paparazi should be fighting theri ass off for exclusive pictures!!!

To Tiffany:

It’s possible that Michael died a couple of months ago and imposters took his place. Maybe he was killed for his debt to the Bahrein Princes. All possible..

But from that point AEG had a problem, as the ‘this is it’ (doubtfull name) tour was already planned and a lot of monney was involved. So they put an imposter in place and crafted the plan to let him ‘die’ a couple of days/weeks before the first concert as the imposter was not able to do the shows without being noticed as different. That may also be the reason for a delay of the first concerts.

After the staged death, they know sales of CD’s, DVD’s and other merchandising will be sky high, trying to minimize the losses or, as it looks at the moment, make or are going to make lots of money from the ‘Last rehearsal DVD’, the ‘Memorial DVD’ and tribute concerts.

This leaves me with one question: How could the imposter fool Michaels children and family or other relatives. They would easily know the differences. He can look the same, but he won’t have the same memory as Michael.

(However rumours/news in the netherlands is now that the coronor still has Michaels brain for further investigation)

If foul play were suspected, then why didn’t the suthorities keep the body???? If this were Joe public, then they would until all avenues had been explored and then the body would be released for burial. No cremation would be sanctioned because they may need to exume the body for further tesing. I know this as a fact because it happened to my friends Mother who died in the early 90’s under suspicious circumstances and they would not allow a cremation. Her body was dug up some months after her death for a second PM.
I have just been discussing this with a friend who is a police woman and she agrees with me that she is confident that he is still alive and has escaped the “world” to try and gain some semblamce of normality in the later years of his life. She went on to say why she thought they did not have an open coffin like James Brown had or Princess Grace of Monaco. Why couldn’t people file past and quietly pay their last repects???? If it was “just a heart attack, then the head would be intact for viewing, even if it just had a voile cloth over it, it would in some way give confirmation of his death.
Finally I agree with other comments about the sales of his albums and associated merchandising, the estate would once again be worth millions from that alone.

Still not convinced he’s dead!!!!

It WAS Michael in the rehearsels video`s danceing and sining. !st of all, he goes up close to the camera, i paused the video, and looked at his eyes, NOONE, no matter how much surgury can have such beautyfull eyes. If you are watching it closely, you can hear Michael talk many times, while he is sining, that is HIS voice. And the damce, you can prectice forever if you want, but nobody moves like Michael. I am pretty sure, that that was him at the rehearsels. I have to agree with the coment, where there is written, that the police will not arrest Michael if he should ever appear again, not they wont. He can solve that with money. But if he is alive, he will come back. Probely to one of the concert dates. I am sure that the children knows that he is alive. I would have thought that he really was dead, if i haden`t seen the sentence : Im alive, am im here forever” I will make a bet on that that was a sign. But noone paid attention to that, some people just believe what the media is telling us. I don`t. I think Michael is alive, and the world will find out soon enough.

I read about this years ago…MJ would stage his own death….(Messiah syndrome)…then return with the biggest comeback of all time….and the ony person that will be allowed to interview him about “how he pulled this off”….IS OPRAH WINFREY!!! he wanted to prove to the world that the “Media can be wrong”…this will put closure on Child molestation allegations….Whacko Jacko insults…and silence , espacially CNN…..from having any jounalistic intengrity from then on!

That is why Oprah hasn’t been around at all!

His best friends were not aat the Memorial…LIZ TAYLOR….LIZA MINELLI…OPRAH…CHRIS TUCKER….DIANA ROSS…..and so many others….MJs Family are all helping out with the hoax…to throw everyone off!

Maybe Mj has gone to start a new life in Bahrain dressed in arabic clothes like this-
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article719783.ece
Or maybe hes walking round dressed as a woman like this-
http://worldofwonder.net/archives/2006/10/12/girlie_jeans/

everyone’s contribution on this blog is offering different view points and observation of details, this tells me ppl besides myself are thinking … we can bring MJ’ “death” to one common denominator and that is: Michael Jackson staged is own death and has disappeared from view for now. All the “details” surrounding his disappearance have not been perfectly executed as many have expressed doubts and questions about this “event”. It is simply this: the media is seducing all of us with “Michael Jackson” mania and it is exactly this ongoing seduction with ever “new information” emerging that is done to keep distracting from the real truth, a truth so many on this blog have offered bits and pieces of. What we know about the truth are 2 things: 1. it is Self-Evident, and 2. it always prevails, but it takes its time to prevail and we may never again lay eyes on Michael Jackson live on stage or otherwise. While Elvis is hiding in the US witness protection program, MJ has another agenda and might decide to do a shock and awe resurrection act, we will see how long the truth will take to at some point prevail, and, reveal itself.

There is no CREDIBLE evidence that MJ is dead, a “death certifiate” can be forged and put in circulation to dampen the curiousity of those of us who are doubtful, and more such “evidence” will be floated, they have quite a job to do to quiet this all down, after all, this IS Michael jackson …. Michael Jackson was/is loved the world over and if he decides to “reappear”, trust me, NOT ONE SINGLE person will hold against him having staged his own death, but everyone will be in total shock/pure joy that he is back … if he decides to stay in hiding, he might find a life he was longing for and may prefer to stay clandestine, we will see, won’t we ?

They were showing a picture of michael from the liberian girl video set alot at the end, ive made up my mind that the show was a MJ production all but the filming. Even Bubbles would see past this hoax. There is two many cues hidden in the whole memorial.

Dave859, you are absolutely right about “hidden clues in the memorial service”. I am convinced there was NO body in that casket for starters and moreover, important friends didnt show, but folks who hadn’t had contact with MJ in years and/or had only met him once, etc etc. This whole thing has a negligent “director”, Elvis’ parting was staged far more intricately and meticulously, dont cha agree ?

The faux pas made are mounting and mounting, however recognizable only to those of us who are unto this whole thing. Meanwhile, the media is now stoned on all the “drug stuff” coming out and keeps floating more and more “seduction” …. Thank you for reading, please post back

I agree that there is an ENORMOUS amount of conflicting information starting with the chain of events beginning at Michael’s home that even the media doesn’t seem to be addressing, or I’ve missed it. When someone you care deeply about passes on it’s natural to have doubts. I do have to say though that these conflicts are a bit much for me too. I do think it was him at the conference. I agree with the gal above that his gate didn’t seem like his when he walked in from the vehicle outside but I think that’s in part because the jacket was so large. And I do think that was him on stage at the conference. That was his face, voice and the hands were his. He seemed loopy. I think he was probably tipsy on something. Someone on another page on this site made a mention about Paris and I had to agree with him. She didn’t seem that upset. This could be because the initial shock at passed – so many days had gone by. I don’t doubt for one minute that she loved her daddy deeply. She was telling all the hateful people in the world how wonderful Michael was and he was. But it was when Paris spoke that I took a step back and thought hmmm….I wonder…could he still be among us. But let’s be sensible I tell myself…It would be quite an undertaking for all of these people to pull off this hoax. I’d like to know what the deal is with the DOCTOR that was at the house. Why in the world would he immediately surround himself with a legal team if something wasn’t amiss. Whether Michael is physically gone or not, one thing is certain..we will never see him again.

Good post Rickster…

Usually Oprah is all over stuff like this and not one word has she spoken about MJ. No bantering to try and get interviews with the family, nothing.

MJ’s true friends were not at the memorial (okay maybe Stevie Wonder and uh, what’s his name, I think Lionel Richie or was that Smokey Robinson, I don’t remember anymore…lol… but the Jackson family requested Queen Latifah, John Mayer, Jennifer Hudson to be there and they said they had never even met MJ! (I found that out on the Huffington Post).
Now why would the family invite people whom Michael hadn’t met?

The Huffington Post also mentioned that Usher and Mariah Carey barely knew MJ and that Brooke Shields hadn’t seen / talked to him in 18 years.

What in the world is going on?

hhhmm i don’t know what to say but keep praying for him where ever Mike is.

I don’t know much about Elvis and his claimed hoax death. But if Elvis faked his death, it would hav been much easier in the 1970’s. There was no Internet or Cell phone. It was much easier to cover things up.

Now Michael possibly tried it again in the 21 century where almost evryone has acces to the internet, cell phone photo camera.

It would be much more difficult nowadays to pull this off. There are so many things to take into account for such a fake death job. Now it seems there are some loose ends wich they cannot cover up (anymore).

That may also be the reason why lots of negative stories about Michaels kids, his drug abuse and his debts are in the media. They try to distract people from what really happenend. Most sources of thes articles are close to the family or former employees of Michael. But none of them (OK, some exceptions) is called by name in these articles.

I hope ther will be a comfirmation the comming days wether he really died or he faked his death.

he is not with anyone i know this for a fact i will not give my info out but he is single and was never involved after debbie i do not know where you heard that lol

Supermon75, well one of his bodyguards, said it on an interwiev. Don`t remember his name. but he did.. well good to know that he is singel. Cause i think he is sexy

The family was furious that the hearse was drove by a white SWAP member.They wanted it to be an African American who drove the hearse.
After the memorial there was no body of mj in the hearse.
What does it matter who drove the hearse.
You can read it at the following link:
http:www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-swat-team-transported-michael-jackson’s-body-family-battled-cops

http://www.nme.com/news/michael-jackson/45976

They firts said there was no evidence of foul play.
And now they say it can turn in to a homicide case.
Can anyone tell me what is the difference.

bt dont you think lapd is intelligent enough to check the dna of mj and of that imposter or the police dept. is also involved. i really want to believe that mj is still alive.

how can media nt hound upon a single clip of mjs dead body is beyond my understanding

My husband – whose initials are MJ – runs a business from home and yesterday a woman called to ask what the MJ stood for, when I told her she went quiet, then I twigged, and said, “Did you think it stood for Michael Jackson?” to which she slammed the phone down. People are doing some very strange things.

I have asked around about the “temporary” burial of a body. In Britain that cannot de done because it requires special permission from a Government Department called the Home Office to move the body once a burial has taken place. In order to remove it from one spot to another you would have to be granted an exumation order. I am sure that similar rules apply in the US and if this is the case, you need to be looking at City Hall records and Government Departments to find out if such a request is being made.

Lsstly, a comment from my 11 year old son…Why did President Obama seem so unmoved by the event, during an interview he had to be prompted to say something about it. Considering MJ’s popularity you would have thought that to “humour” his fans a Presidential recognition of the death for have been one of his main topics.!!!!!!

Dikki. Do not say, “WE” Never did. Speak for yourself. Some of us actuelly did

and as for me i have been fighting with my friends and relatives who have been telling me that he was what media framed him to b. i love him and i know it.

Okay!!!!
so everybody thinks he faked his death…..
well to be honest if i could choose i would love that he would still be alive.
But i got a question…..
they have that last photo from him on the ambulance, he went to the hospital, that might have happened.
Let me tell you this, I’m from portugal and before they broke the news in the states that michael was dead, here in postugal that had already done that, in US media there was only the news that he went to the hospital, nothing more, probably an hour later they gave the news that he died… so does this mean anything i don’t……
But why say that he faked his death????? did anyone thought of the possibility that he might be in a coma and and his managers and family faked his death??????
Well i really don’t whta to believe, maybe we all never thought that we would die someday, that he was invincible, maybe he died and just can’t cope with that, we are so desperate to believe that he is still alive…..
To be HONEST i really want him to be alive, it just feels like music died

I am convinced this is a hoax at the 02 arena Michael Jackson said I am serious this is the last curtain call and gave a suspicious look He stated “This Is It”. When Oprah did not make a public announcement. Something was strange when the family managers set up a crisis line and told fans please do not kill themselves. And when his brother said Michael Jackson maybe they will leave you alone. I believe the memorial service was a goodbye to his fans and career as an entertainer. He was saying good bye to his music career to peruse a peaceful life away from the media attention. Michael Jackson if you are out their alive I don’t blame you thank you for all the wonderful music. Your music will live forever

he was not 112 that was a lie

he wanted air time is is all gossip do not believe anything you here like one of his former house keeper trie to say he locked children in his room feed them wine in baby bottles come on now he would never do that

I agree with you. I don`t care if he ever comes back to perform. As long as he is alive, safe and well. That is the only thing that matters to me

here is another one for you all xanax if he was taking as much as they say he would be to tired to do anything he would not have sleep ap ok and most of the drugs he was doin are downers so how do they get he can not sleep out of that i do not understand

My 11 year old son has been playing detective regarding MJ. Now here is an observation that he made about MJ’s right hand….Follow me with this one because you have to be quick. I am attaching a video of “The way you make me feel” from Youtube. At 3.14 – just after he shouts “Hey”, he extends two fingers and his thumb of his right hand. The thumb is the bit you need to concentrate on…You will notice that the tumb itstself curls at quite an acute angle and the bone just above sticks out to give an almost triangular appearance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJrUa-zKeIc

If you look at other footage ie the press conference in O2 arena London check out his right hand…for the same anomalies that I have already mentioned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_256XQiS1X8

You could possibly trace his entire career by just looking for that one over-riding physical – dare I say – defect – I am, but not in a malicious way.

Now look at the “final rehearsal” video…At the end of the routine he extends his right arm and hand…check it out. Unless he had surgery to correct his hands, which could explain gloves and gauntlets in the past…then it looks to me, and this is a personal observation…to be someone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_256XQiS1X8

Mrs. Jones: I agree about the “defect” but if you look at this video at about 45 seconds, he extends his hand and the bump is gone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz_J_do9hzY&feature=related
But if you look at the O2 Press Conference video, “MJ” calls the guy over and puts his hand on his shoulder and the bump is there!
However, I do NOT think it was really MJ at the press conference. The chin, smile, moves, etc. MJ would not get up there and talk the way this guy did. He sounded like an idiot. MJ was/is very well spoken in front of the camera. Look at any of his interviews. One thing about his hands, he seems to have the longest hands on a human! Really! His fingers are so long! But at the press conf, his hands are shorter and fatter it seems. MJ’s hands are so skinny too. Not at the conference, yet he doesn’t appear to have put on any weight. I know when most people put on weight, your fingers get fatter too. don’t they? Anyway, at the press conference, that is NAVI! Not MJ. Look at Navi’s pics. He has a wide smile, and his lips look more like a normal mouth than MJ’s (normal?). Whether or not MJ is really dead, that is NOT him at the conference. That is Navi! Your son is very observant! Keep it coming!

I miss him, the world was a much better place with him in it, I only wish I had appreciated him more when he was here.

Hi Divershay, And Hi there everyone from a warm and windy North Wales.

Now, let us suppose that if you are told something often enough, you start to believe it!

If we, the fans, are told that the person we are looking at is MJ, then, are we not drawn into the plot to keep the real MJ from prying eyes. A confidence trick.

During the 2nd World War there was a chap who looked like General Montgomery. A plan was devised to use this man to impersonate Monty and go to North Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Was_Monty’s_Double_(film)

This makes the impersonator theory a good one, because we do not see the man – MJ – all the time, the person thrust infront of us, who we are told is MJ, we beieve is MJ. We only see photos that are tarted up and made to look enigmatic. We so want it to be him, that we truly believe that it is.

Tonight, on British Television – Channel 4 – was a documentary about the passing of MJ. I am attaching a link for those who missed it. You may be able to watch it on line. I am making no comments, but will leave the story to unfold and see what you think.

Another suggestion by Benjamin – my 11 year old – Try this for size…..The gold coffin with the seat like interior was designed so that a “living” Micheal Jacksin could attend his own memorial service. The huge bunch of flowers on the top hid an oxygen tank so that he could breath and the length of time for the service was determined by the amount of oxygen in the cylinder. Daft, but plausible!!!!!

Hey, you know what, it’s more plausible than daft.

Previous comments about his friends who were mysteriously not at the memorial is strange. If someone of that stature passes and you are asked to attend a memorial, you would put everything on hold, pull out all the stops and turn up. No Oprah, no Liz Taylor just folk who had maybe met him once, if that. Catterwalling some tune out – some of it was terrible – it was dreadful.

And I still wonder what the hell they did with the coffin afterwards!!!! Is it like a kind of transformer and changed from a coffin into a set of matching suitcases. Carried out so no one noticed.

Here’s what I don’t get. The Jackson were okay with helicopters flying above Forest Lawn the days before the memorial, the day of the memorial AND even let the helicopters follow the motorcade with the hearse to the staples center BUT would not let the coffin leave staples center being recorded? It’s being “said” that the coffin was taken through the tunnels under the Staples center and loaded into an unmarked van and taken away. WHY?? YOU JUST LET EVERYBODY FILM YOU BRING IT THERE!! And seriously…who lends out their family crypt(reporting that MJ is temporarily being held inside the Berry Gordy family crypt) Which he has now denied. MJ IS MISSING!!!!

“And I still wonder what the hell they did with the coffin afterwards!!!! Is it like a kind of transformer and changed from a coffin into a set of matching suitcases. Carried out so no one noticed.”
HAHAAHAH!!! Priceless!
And yes, I would have thought Liza, Liz, and several other closest friends would have been there. But no! They couldn’t be “bothered” to show. Very strange.
And what ejay5131 says makes us wonder too! The whole thing with the media is weird. Only ONE pic since MJ “died”? Come on, ONE! That’s silly considering how many pics they get of everything else related to anyone famous or even a little bit famous.
This whole thing makes me mad that they think they can pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. The fans aren’t stupid! We have loved him for too long and scrutinized every physical detail about him through the years.

This song tells it all. OMG. It is not a old song. He is sining of how he wants to get away from the media, and just want to be in a place where he dosen`t need to hide from everyone. Where he can be himself. He is telling it all in this song. It can be more clear. Michael has “escaped” The pressure. He just wants to be in peace. I wonder whan he made this song, it can`t be that long ago. MY GOD. Mabye he really is alive? I really hope so. I would make me smile again. I guess we just ahve to leave Michael alone. I just hopes that he is happy and in peace.

la toya is now saying that there is a big conspiracy behind murder of mj. she is saying that $2 million are missing from his rented home when world believed him to be totally bankrupt.. she is also saying that mj was fed up of taking these drugs which some people were giving to him to keep him submissive. if it was truly there then why the family never protected mj out of all this. why they let him die and are now creating all this fuss and making autopsy over autopsy.

This is LaToya’s biiiiiiiiiiig chance to “shine”, to propel herself into center stage, but most importantly, make some monnnnnnney!

Her credibility equals Zero as she is insincere and phoney. when Michael was accused of Child molestation, it was LaToya who on national US television spoke out in support of the accusers and against her brother, I remember it well, does anybody else at all ? ? Shame shame on you big sista !

LaToya is a diva wanna-be, a sensationalist, an opportunist and extremist. Her only claim to fame is showing her coochie for a few bux to a trashrag like “Playboy Magazine” … and here, she suddenly has turned into and acts like Florence Nightingale ?

These rags she is talking to are paying her a nice dollar for the drama queen act she’s just pulled off here, she makes me sick

Sister Janet who worked with Michael on videos is surprisingly hush hush, isn’t she ? But then again,Jan had a good run in show business and has money and, all she showed was her nipple at the superbowl half-time show and called it “wardrobe malfunction”. Neither one of them has any lady-like qualities.

The more details emerge, the more ground the ’staged death’ gains. These “interviews” are nothing but a mechanism to redirect attention to a new theory they are spinning, Murder … they stop at nothing to create sensationalism and seem to think we are all stupid or something ?

I pray that Michael is safe and secure. What must he be thinking …. ???

ejay, thank you for your reply, I think you are right, great answer

I wonder if he’s reading this???? Maybe scanning the internet to find what people are saying!!!! If so – Hi Michael.

Divine Mrs. Jones: that not only the Jacksons and other parties, but MICHAEL HIMSElF might be reading the postings on this website occured to me too just today. I also thing the “staged death” concept is gaining traction around the internet, more and more ppl are blogging on different sites expressing their doubts that Michael “died” …

I am wondering about if anybody is controlling this and will at some point shut websites down who are exclusively dedicated to this hoax, what is your thought on this ?

or should i say his disaperance

Ok, I’ve read the Escape lyrics and seen the video on Youtube.

Now, seeing as we are all open to speculation and possibility. Try this for size…and remember this is just me voicing an opinion…I have listened to his press conference again at the O2 Arena in London from March this year. The person speaking at the podium did NOT sound like MJ, the voice was too deep for my liking. Now, just suppose for a moment that the “This is it” Tour title is actually relating to the fact that he’s had enough and by July he be out and gone. The last time he’d be in London – July – Hummmmm!!!!!
Is he hiding in London? Was the talk at the press conference a metaphor for I’ll be back, but you won’t know it.

This thought has just sailed through my head…Here goes…If you want to hide a tree you put it in a forest. If you want to hide an apple you put it with other apples. If you want to hide a person you put them with people. OK…Here it is, just suppose that the people you were hiding with had relinquished all worldly goods and chattles…monks!!!! OR even a Amish community. It may sound silly, but if we are going down hoax road then we have to explore every possible avenue that leads from it, whether it seems daft or has a dead end.

As it used to say on the X Files – “The truth is out there”

Hands up who believes in the “after life” No joke. I belong to a ghost hunting group – http://www.theorbwhisperers.com and our resident medium has something to say on the MJ subject. If you want to hear what it is I’ll tell you. I do not want to offend anyone, because even I am a sceptic, but I do think I should allow for all possibilities that life – and death – has to offer. I you think that this will offend, I will gladly keep it to myself.

No, please share! This is a place for our individual opinions and thoughts. So far yours have been so insightful! I can’t speak for anyone else on this page, but I would be interested to hear what you have to say.
And I really want to thank you for posting the link to the home movies. I had not seen that! I am going to watch all the segments now. So far I have watched the first and loved it!
As for the O2 conf, I tried to say that was Navi who was up there speaking and someone on here said it’s not Navi, that Navi’s voice is deeper than Michael’s. Now you say you think the person’s voice was too deep to be Michael. So you confirmed for me what I thought all along. Navi’s voice is deeper, the person on stage has a deeper voice. We don’t even need to continue on the physical differences of the two. They are clear to anyone who really looks.

As far as trying to “magic someone away” I still like the transformer casket turning into a set of luggage to be carried. I still laugh when I get a visual! This whole thing isn’t funny, but the way you put it was. LOL!

Yeah, I saw that. It was proven to be a crew person walking around in there and passed in front of a light. If you look through the window and the way the walls are on the outside, you can see there looks to be a room over in that area. It looked to me like the person was walking in that room and happened to pass in front of the window with sunlight shining through and the person’s shadow was thrown out into the room. At least, that’s what they are saying in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y3jlzS_BZc&feature=related
At about 2 minutes, it is clear and sharp. But I tell you what, I did get chills watching the original part in the first half again. Even after I knew they “debunked” the ghost story. Originally it was not as solid of an image so to speak. It was so transparent you almost don’t see it. But when they show how it was not real, the image is more solid. I am a big skeptic as well. Then again, I am not so much a skeptic as I have to see it to believe it but I don’t necessarily wanna see it! I am a big chicken so I guess it is easier to say oh, that stuff isn’t real than to actually think about how I would react if I saw something paranormal.
I too have had friends who believe in spirit guides and they would totally agree with what both you and Dave are suggesting. These are things we can never truly know.
I just did a little poll on a website about do you think MJ faked his death and is still alive. After you vote you can see the results. Like 88% (or around there) voted yes!! After watching all of the home movie segments, I really hope he is still alive somewhere. He has the cutest personality I have ever seen. And to hear him giggle while watching the movies in his theater, I hope he is somewhere laughing again. The sweetest sound! Anyone who has not watched them really should. My favorite is the first one where he’s all excited over the super soakers. Too cute!

Hi Divershay

I take on board everything that you have said, I to think that the home movies are fun to watch.
That was then, we have to concentrate on “the now” That entails all of us putting our collective heads together and coming up with a rational explanation as to where the devil he might be hiding.
On the Channel 4 documentary that I mentioned earlier, one man who knew the Jackson family well said that just before his latest tour “This is it” they had tried to get to Michael to spirit him away to “clean him up” This chap believes that MJ wanted out of the adiction spiral that he was in. His “insiders” who perpetuated the adiction kept the family from him.
The final rehearsal footage shows some strain on MJ’s face, that could be because he has been out of the loop for so long, but it could equally be withdrawal symptoms kicking in!!!! To be honest, he looks like he’s in pain, he had apparently suffered from back trouble for some years. Channel 4 also interviewed a doctor who specialised in helping “well known” drug addicts. He said that he thinks that MJ was NOT taking heroin, but he was having a medication usually given to patients who they want to keep in a coma. That could explain the theory that MJ IS in a coma and it has been said that he would not come out of it. This would kind of explain the “death” announcement, and the lack of a body.
MJ was not pleased about the fact that the tour had gone from 10 dates to 50. Ironically the dancers assigned to work with him were originally contracted for 2 years. Why so long if the tour was supposed to be ONLY 10 dates????? Makes you think what else the record company machine had up it’s sleeve.

@ The Divine Mrs Jones – your posts make me happy! I, too, am a strong believer in the paranormal! I wish I was a part of a ghost hunting group, though. I tend to just wander on my own and do my own ‘personal’ ghost huntings, if you will.

As for MJ – I also believe that if his Family might be reading this website, it’s almost quite possible he is reading it as well!

@divershay – I know, MJ is the sweetest person ever, isn’t he? he is such a sweet soul, so gentle and fragile! He would never hurt a fly <3

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31740617/ns/entertainment-music/#storyContinued

http://www.flipkart.com/fade-black-douglas-b-jones/1436352738-uox3f42f2d is not the cheif that worked for michael?

I’m sorry but there’s more than what meets the eye. To the administrator thanks for this site. When the imposter was at the press conference, not one time did the family step up and say “that’s not Michael.” And don’t tell me that the Jackson family doesn’t know about all the hoax rumors going on saying that Michaek is alive, and yet still no response? Something isn’t right.

And then they have Latoya coming out saying all this stuff about her brother being murdered and that millions dollars and costly jewelry were missing from his home. Now correct me if I’m wrong but how the hell would she know what was missing in his home? Can someone answer that?

Then she said his kids wanted to see their father when he died at the hospital and that his face was covered up with a towel. Ok, unless something changed over the years, someone who dies doesn’t get covered until the medical examiner comes in and take the body and asks everyone in the room to leave. And since when they cover your face with a towel.

I agree with who ever said they’re glad they Latoya isn’t their sister. I feel the same way.

That was interresting. More proof that this so called “Death” Of Michael is a hoax

Mr/Mrs Administrator… May I ask the question, where abouts in the world are you situated. This time difference is giving me a head ache…You are 8 hours ahead of me. That means, where you are I have already had my job interview….Did I get it? LOL and, here’s a thought…If you are 8 hours ahead you can get the lottery numbers for me before they have even been drawn…So whats next Saturday’s winning 6 LOL AGAIN

I can appreciate your need for anomimity. I really CANNOT understand why people would be so nasty to you. If they were followers of MJ and believed the things that he stood for, then this would not be happening to you.

Maybe I am being silly, but you know when you get a gut feeling about someone, and you can’t shake it off!!! Well with regards to MJ’s “death” it’s not sitting right with me. I don’t have the empty and hollow feeling I got when my parents died, or when my friend was murdered (her name was Caroline and she was beaten to death by a bus driver, who dumped her body) I knew she had gone before they found her because I felt physically sick….Now, if I am to use this as a guage, then I do firmly believe that he is still living because I don’t feel anything like I have felt in the past. No hollow feeling, no sick feeling…..in fact, if I were truly honest, I feel elated…I feel that he is where he wants to be and that the “death” thing was a hoax.
I mentioned in an earlier posting that I had been studying the so called “last photo” of him, he doesn’t look ill or dead. No palour, his face looks fairly relaxed, in fact he looks better in the back of the ambulance than I have seen him look recently. Hell, he looked better than I do this morning….I look like death warmed up. LOL….To end with a little black humour, my husbands late Grandmother – Hilda – used to say to us “I’m knocking on deaths door you know” (she was in her 90’s) One day I said that he can’t have been in because she was still with us, but went on to say ‘What colour it was?’, she never mentioned it again. Bless you Hilda LOL

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/14/michael-jackson-must-be-saved-from-ghoulish-fans-115875-21517930/

This page may disappear becuse it’s today’s Daily Mirror. Basically it’s saying that MJ’s body was kept in Berry Gory’s family crypt until the police were satisfied that they had covered all avenues of enquiry. They cannot bury him yet – apparently!!!!! It says that thousands of fans have flocked to the crypt because word has just leaked out about it…..I heard about it last week, just after the so called funeral.

OK…I have just watched the footage of the helicopter taking the “body” to a waiting van…

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2009/06/25/von.jackson.body.transport.kabc?iref=videosearch

Dead bodies weigh a ton….no matter how large. they just lifted this one without much effort….were was the rigour mortice???? He should have been as stiff as a board, not flopping around Hummmmmmmmmm!!!!!

It doesn’t appear to me to be a dead body on the trolley….way too thin…It’s just a shape, not like a dead person at all. Strange stuff, I am more convinced the more I read and look into it that it is a hoax. Some one commented that his new album was going to be called “Resurrection” co-incidence!!!!

Sorry “BelovedMJ” What turned out to be a lie. I’ve put so many comments on that I am not sure which one you are referring to.

Ok, back to rigor mortis….I am now an expert in the field. Now, depending on temperatures etc Rigor Mortis can set in as early as 10 minutes post mortem, up to about 2 hours…Full Rigor is reached at about 12 hours and it can last around 72 hours, or 3 days. Quoting About.com, they say that “Rapid cooling can inhibit the onset of Rigor Mortis” If my memory serves me well, the day that MJ died it was about 33 degrees – give or take, it was HOT – Rigor would not be inhibited. After death the skeletal muscles contract and are unable to relax, hence the body becoming as stiff as a board, heavy and unable to bend. Now, it’s the word BEND that is the magic one. Even if someone moved the body in the helicopter, if they were dead as long as MJ was supposed to be, it could not have been bent, if you watch the footage closely when the body is wheeled over to the van, the two men inside just lift the body from one trolley to another it looks like the body bends at the knees!!! Maybe it’s just my imagination, but take a look and see if see what I saw.

I wonder? Is this why they keep postponing the custody hearing for his children?

Michael will come back to us, and face the public when he is READY! That is for sure. But he needs time. I just hope he is at some place recocering, from all the shitty things the media did to him, and all the false alligations. My heart is with Michael. I always believed in him, and NEVER once misunderstood him. I just hope that he will get the spark back in his eyes, wivh he havent had for a very long time, and mabye he will smile again soon. I really hope so. I love him so much

Do we all agree it’s not him!!!! Take a look, a REAL GOOD LOOK!! Especially at the eyebrows.

24 hours before:

http://image.examiner.com/imag…..sal(1).jpg

Ambulance photo:
http://showhype.com/story/ok_m…..son_cover/

Look at the shape in the eyebrows. The “ambulance MJ’ has eyebrows that go right towards the bridge of his nose. The “rehearsal MJ” has eyebrows that end much further in( there is a larger gap between them). The eyebrows are also arched differently. The only way the eyebrows could meet closer to the bridge of the nose is if he was “pushing his brows together” like we do when were mad(I can’t think of the descriptive name for that right now.)

Just been talking star signs in the car on the way to school with Benjamin…Ben is an Aquarius, as is my husband. The older one, Adam is a Virgo and I am a Taurus.

I was trying to explain the characteristics behind each sign to Ben. Aquarians have a thirst for knowledge, Taurians are slow to temper (which he said was not true in my case – hummmm!) And Virgo’s were perfectionists…That sums Adam up to a tee.

Now, Ben said if MJ is a Virgo – which he is – then wouldn’t he make sure – absolutely – that his “disappearance” would be planned and timed down to the last nano second.

Virgo’s make lists, then they make lists of those lists, and so on. They like order and they like to be in control of that order. MJ will have planned and devised his escape down to the last detail.

I think – personal opinion oly folks – that he has said “Right, enoughs enough, I’m off” Despite having numerous people around him I do not think for one minute he trusted them completely and that they only kept quiet decause of water tight contracts that they had to sign. After all, he was their BOSS. He paid their wages, the piper calls the tune so to speak.

Over the years the British Royals have had advisers, suggesting ideas to the reigning monarchs. Ideas for their own ends – I think so. MJ had “advixers” who suggested ideas to MJ. I think that he has said to them that he is going, they can do nothing about it because of the contracts. Were the contracts binding after death, unlikely, because I think MJ thought that he would go on forever, so he wouldn’t need to add that into an agreement. Why hasn’t someone from the entourage come forward – post death – and spilled the beans about all that they knew…The could make oodles of cash selling the story to the media. It’s because he’s not dead. They are still contractually bound.

Food for thought.

I have just been washing the breakfast dishes, and while I was doing so I had a profound thought…Not again I hear you cry! LOL

Lets go deep and spiritual for one minute. MJ’s very being, his songs and his credo were that people would learn to get along because they have a common bond. They’re all human…
I am typing away at my computer everyday, passing on ideas and snippets of information to all who subscribe to this site, I don’t know you, you don’t know me. That, to us, doesn’t matter, we have our common bond – MJ. Whether we are black or white, abled or disabled…that hasn’t entered into it, what has, is our regard for the welfare of a “fellow human” who has been through hell to bring us joy, and has had only brief glimspes himeself of that joy that he brought to others.

Thank you MJ for introducing me to some of the nicest, kindest people on the planet.

(Wipes a tear from her eye) I love you all.

now tmz is coming with another one. it says the two docs( murray and klein) arent coperating with the police deptt though earlier they were. the bodyguards and the driver of mj are saying that when mj used to come out of klein’s clinic he used to be in sedated condition. he said he talked to mj about it and mj would deny about the drugged condition. i was reading another site which said that yesterday only a suicide note was found in mj’s clothes after 25 days of his death.. i am really not getting whats going out there..

I have just finished listening to the speech that MJ made in Oxford University in 2001. I think that it’s the longest I have ever heard him speak at one time, and because of the audience, he was allowed to speak without interuption – a rare thing I think.

To hear him talk passionately about the plight of “The Child” “Lost Childhood” and his own up bringing was a pleasure.

He came across as well read, intelligent and lucid…Not at all what we are supposed to believe in the ‘media’ He was absolutely sure about what he was saying and didn’t stumble through the speech – a daunting thing for anyone – let alone him.

Hat’s off to MJ Well Done!!!!!

Now, listening to him speak there and then going back to the O2 Arena press conference. Can this really be the same person???? Struggling to speak – I know that the crowd were noisy and he couldn’t get a word in edgewise, but – and it’s a BIG BUT – what happened to the lucidity, what happened to the speech maker. What happened to MJ??????

Hi there MyBelovedMJ,

I don’t think you sound nuts…You, like the rest of us are entitled to your opinion, however far fetched it might sound….Sometimes the most bizarre thoughts and ideas are the ones that bear fruit.

The idea behind this website is to dig, and dig deep into the “strange” events surrounding the supoosed death of MJ….Thank you for the website Mr/Mrs Administrator – Great Job!!!…..We, the fans, have to ask ourselves -Is MJ dead? Do we believe he’s dead? The answer is an emphatic NO. No, he didn’t die in LA on June 25th. NO, it was not his body being transported by helicopter. NO, there was not a body in the casket at the Memorial. Way too many NO’s and not enough YES’S…We must, as a group, keep digging, spying, prying and theorising as to what happened. Who it is that are keeping the secrets of his actual whereabouts, and, if we ever discover the truth, are bound by a deep loyalty, to keep the truth safe.

In other words, if we find him, we keep it to ourselves.

On a personal note. I am the same age as MJ, just 4 months between our birthdays, I’m April 29th and he is Auguat 29th….I have sung and danced to the JAckon 5, the Jacksons and MJ himself. MJ’s birthday was on the calander of my friends and I, once mine had elapsed they knew how long they would have to wait until his was here.

I grew up with him, I can follow the path of my life and it’s events by the songs he sung…I hear one and say “Yes, that’s when Karen and I got thrown off a dance floor for being too physical while dancing, and taking over the whole space” LOL at the memory…must phone Karen and ask if she remembers!!!!

We all share personal moments with MJ, and the thought of him not being there for the duration of OUR lives is unthinkable. It’s like losing a member of your family…

Finally….I do believe, most definately that he is still ALIVE and that he has gone into hiding. I’d run away if I couldn’t go from A to B without being mobbed. I’d run away if I were being hounded about my life style and behaviour. All MJ ever wanted was the unity of man, to stop man’s inhumanity to man and to be himself.

Nuff said…..

Keep searching, leave no stone unturned, no corner un-srutinised, no matter haw many dead ends…let’s keep looking…As I said before in a previous posting…Just like the X Files…The truth is out there.

To The Divine missJones. Thank you . And iI totally agree with you, If people should ever find Michael, keep it to yourself, dont even tell your dog or your cat. Leave him alone, he deserves that. OH GOD, i keep on praying, and have faith. Im sure he is ourthere somewhere. It was a hard day for me yeasterday, as you will see if you look at the 1st page. Thank you again, for giving me my hope back of him beeing alive. I cant imangine my life without him. Who is gonna heal the world if he is gone?

Hi there,

Someone elsewhere on this site pointed out that at the Memorial Service the children kept looking up at the roof of the building…Was MJ hiding up there?

Was it a big game that he planned with them and he told them to pretend to be upset, but all he wanted to do was to play a “prank” on everyone. Were they brought into his confidence to that extent…Knowing how loyal kids can be, I can quite believe it. And knowing MJ’s passion for practial jokes, I can quite believe it. Did he say to them “I am going to be watching from the roof, so you will know that I’m around and don’t be afraid because it’s a game”

In the roofs of most large buildings such as theatre’s and stadium’s, there are gantries and walkways built in for maintenance purposes. Is it possible that they were told that he would be on one of them watching the “joke” play out, and not to worry…Is that who they were looking at?

I’m just wondering if this were a murder trying to be covered up it would also take all this time and confusion to cover tracks if someone wanted him dead, Does anyone think this may be a murder?

No, I do not think that he has been “Done in” – a victim of foul play – No, I think that he has been spirited away and the he has had the help of insiders.

And if I had the means, time and backing to look for him, I would start in the last place you would look for him. In other words – the least obvious!!!!!

On a lighter note, perhaps he’s run away and joined the circus!!!!! Do you know what people????? That’s not as silly as it first sounded….He said he liked slapstick comedy, he like Chaplin because of the pathos and the clown like way he acted….Hummmmmm!!!!!!

I’ve been reading all your comments and I am quite impressed by what I have read. I do believe that the person at the press conference was not Michael. It is my strong belief. I have watch about as much footage as possible of him speaking from youtube and videos posted around the web. That person in no way could have been Michael Jackson. He would have had to have had his entire mouth reconstructed, his voice and vocal patterns.

To be honest I believe that person to be a female impersonator. Watch again and watch the hand gesture where the person pushes the glasses up.

Anyway, I think he faked his death. I also think he’s died, so I’m torn. But the bigger part of my heart thinks he’s alive and sending messages to his fans and leaving clues to this fact. All the stories that have come out in the media are to throw people off. The stories in the beginning came too fast and then they slowed up. They are still coming, but not nearly as fast. However, the song snippet that was released the other day, I think that is a clue. In the song there is a clue. There are some saying this was a plan of Michael’s in the making for many years to disappear so if it is, then why not let your fans know you are ok..I think the first clue was at the end of the memorial , I’m not sure exactly what it said but something like “know that I’m alive and ok.. ” or something like that…I agree with the person who posted.. if you see him don’t tell anybody and don’t acknowledge it’s him. let him be. Michael likes disguises too, so it’s possible, he could be standing next to you and you wouldn’t even know it. Watch some of his home movies on youtube to find out more about his prankster side.

there’s no way he would chnge his face.no way.come on now,what could he change on his face to make him not look like MJ?i dont think so.i think he really died.any where he goes he would be recognized.

My good gracious LORD!!
if theres any1 that shuldnt be walkin around so carefree is MJ’s Dad. Oh LORD, michael really went thru alot from him!!If MJ resurfaces today or in the future, dont think any1 wud prosecute him..hell no?? Wat evidence do U have? Did U see him dead? it could be anybody..did U see him buried?? How, where n wen wuz he buried??? I believe the authorities themselves are confused to sum point thats Y they havent come up with any substantial information yet. They shud get sum1 wit the “Horatio Cane” kick butt investigative attitude or sum1 with “Jack Bauer” interrogative techniques to grill sum truth outta their so called investigation.. With MJ!!..theres definitely neva a dull moment!!

..2thumbs up to The Divine Mrs Jones..U keep the site rockin with ur in – depth theories..thanks Admin 4givin HOPE where theres none.The time difference calls 4alarm, guess i’l have to google search wat part of the world is 9:30 hours ahead..oh wow!!

Dear MyBelovedMJ and all of you,

Lets stay focused people.

I know that we do not want to believe him dead, I frankly think that he is alive and kicking. I do not feel in my gut that he has died. Tears of anger and frustration, but not sorrow.

We are all entitled to our thoughts, ideas and opinions – the main reason for us coming together on this site is that we feel, deep down in our hearts, our souls even, that he is still living. Our main objective should be to keep this in mind and scrutinise every shred of news and evidence that comes our way….analyse it and point out discrepencies and log pile it until we have enough to “There you go, he is alive and we can prove it”

I also think that we should all promise eachother, that if, by some miracle, we come across him on our travels. We keep that information secret.

We are a great bunch of people who have come together because of one objective – MJ – “GROUP HUG”!!!!!

What do you say people??????

Not only did Michael’s mother put up an excellent show of keeping it together, but she was videotaped at Target on June 26th buying sleeping bags and tents! What the hell is going on here? No one is that family has displayed an appropriate reaction to mj’s ‘death’. Not one. janet seemed emotional at the BET awards but shamone people! She was still AT the BET awards three days after his death. Wouldnt most of us still be hunkered down with our families and in deep mourning. And those kids at the memorial. No emotion at all. We;ve all been to funerals. Kids cry at funerals. The oldest is 14, old enough to be devastated that his dad is dead. He was the coolest of them all. Looked pretty bored to me.

I agree about the missing information on many webpages. Stuff I read and saw a couple of weeks ago has disappeared from the net. I am trying to save as much stuff as I can to my computer and am storing it on an external hard drive.

Still no word (from the horses mouth I mean) from his close friends. They are toooooo quiet.

Benjamin suggested that he could be hiding on a yacht. Clever Ben!!!!!!

He had friends in the Middle East, Princes and Sheiks etc. All of them owning what they call “SuperYachts” You can live on one of these monsters for months. He could be happily sailing the 7 seas as we speak. No one would see him because of this, he wouldn’t have to hide away. He could be himself for a while, gather his thoughts and plan the next move. Ben, your idea my love has substance to it….. We are all looking at airports etc when we should have perhaps looked at ports and dock areas…..It’s a hummmmmmm!!!!!! moment.

Ben thinks outside the box and I do listen to him. His friends often think his is being illogical, but because of his lateral thinking he often has amazing ideas…Love you Ben. Nice one

MJ’s disguise is no news..at the memorial, his brother Marlon told a story of MJ bein disguised as an older black man with crooked teeth n Afro hair in a record store buyin piles of CDs but i guess if U know him, U know him..no matter the disguise.

I think that the boat idea is a good one.
Lisa-Marie Presley enjoying a holiday crusing around would have headed for port and to the sevice. If we are to believe that they parted company on good terms, as he said, they have remained friends, she would have been there for sure. Odd, but some strange logic in there….Lets keep up the good work.

The British tabloids have been busy this week…First they said that MJ could not sire kids because his father had beaten him so badly that it caused damage. NOW, they are saying that he had his sperm frozen…It just gets better and better…

Okey Michale made this song a few years ago. ” A Place with no name” Im almost certain that this is THE main clue. He had purmission to make it from the one who made the song “a horse with no name” I just listen to Mjs song, he wrote the text himself. You should listen to that song. Seriously, if we can find that place with no name, we will find Michael. I have that song in my heard all the time now. If someone should come uo with an idea, of what that place could be, please say so. But lets all do him a favout. Lets not look for him or anything, let him be, it is enough for us, to know thet he is alive. This subject has also been posted in one of the Forums, and i listen to teh song. I feel like his telling us something. And the most spooky part is. It just “Jumped” out of the closet duddenly. Its not on a CD or a Singel, noone really knew about it, until some of it was released on Televesion. What do you think? Where is Michael`s place with no name?

Oh damn forgot something here. Someone in teh forum also mentioned, that when the perramedics arrived at the house, they were almost 100% sure that the BODY they took WAS NOT Michael. That can xplain, why they werent in a ruch. Okey, im sounding crazy, but im happy today havent been for a long time. You poeple in here and on teh forum, gave me hope with these informations. I think we will find the truth very soon. Sorry lol

I have just been thinking about the possible irrational behaviour of Mrs Katherine Jackson.
Is it a Mothers way of dealing with grief?
Is it a ruse to keep the press on their toes?
What on earth would a woman of nearly 80 years of age want to go camping for???
A soft warm bed and the comforts of home would be for me at that age, not camping !!!
I have been speaking to a friend of mine, Joe, who is a sea captain and is currently working off the coast of Africa. I asked him about sea fairing yachts and he said…To get from LA to Europe the yacht would more than likely have to sail around the bottom of South America…Not a wise choice because of the reputation of Cape Horn. One of the most trecherous parts of the ocean to sail in a large vessel, let alone a crusing yacht. He went on to say that it would possibly have sailed straight out into the Pacific and to one of the many islands. Stopping off to refuel. MJ could be dropped off at a predetermined point, or they could sail straight on to South East Asia…China, Japan possibly Australia. It is not unheard of the superyachts doing journeys like this. He has often, on his travels, been in radio contact with these kind of boats and he finished by saying that they could easily make that voyage without getting into too much difficulty.

One last thought. Who from the MJ entourage is missing? He could not have done this by himself. He would have to travel with the bare minimum – we can assume that other items of clothing etc would be in place at appointed destinations – a passport and a small bag perhaps. He would have to have customs checks. In the UK customs officers are bound to have a confidentiality claus in their contracts. Her Majesties Government and all that. So, if they came across him, they would not be allowed to say. As I say, it’s a thought.

Ben just pointed something out. If they are doing tests on MJ’s body, why is it taking so long. If the authorities have the body, knowing who it is, you would think that they would have acted a bit quicker, giving closure to the case. Good point Ben.
You would think that they would have pulled out all the stops and gone the extra mile with this one, wouldn’t you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIb9PFrmCT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh7zcXOPeHk&feature=related

Take a look at these videos on youtube. It goes back to 2002, but the comments he made were “brave” to say the least. Taking on the establishment is not the easiest thing to do.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article2028494.ece

Could Sony have something to do with his disappearance? Could financial threats have been made? Nearly half a billion dollars in debt, and this on top would push any man over the edge.

http://www.sonymusic.co.uk/artists/michael_jackson/13730/

Sony now stand to make a fortune with MJ’s “death”, it seems that in recent years they have been struggling and the MJ resurgence will in some way make up for that.

“Life is beautiful”, MJ said its the greatest gift of all n Oh yeah! its the best gift given to man by God…i dnt see him diein…it puzzles me that the Queen of Talk hasnt really said anything ’bout the King of Pop, not even a visit to the Family…surely; Oprah isnt that heartless.. ??

To The devine MIss Jones!

I have been listening to the song. And you are right about that the clue thing is such a Michael thing to do. Im pretty sure he is reading this site. He knows what we are talking about. His also very proud of us i think, because we look for the facts, and with our hearts, and not believeing the media. I have also been wondering, Michael`s place with no name, is that a place he has, with no name, or is it a place he can be with no name? Hmmm. And one of the most importent things I have been wondering about. How did TMZ get that song? From a souce!! Yeah right, who is that souce? Noone else kneew about Michael makeing that song, It wasent recorded yet, and suddenly I jumps out of nowhere. Hmmmm. I would Like to know who the souce to TMZ is, i dont think they even know themselves. TMZ is a bullshit Television station, Michael could eassily give us clues through them, they would believe anything. Im just saying, everything is possible in this. But In my opinion, we are getting VERY close to know the trtuth. Like Michael would have said. ” The truth will prevail, and im about truth”

Okey, i listen to the song called ” A horse with no name” We all know Michael got the purmission to use the melody from that song right? But he wrote his own words. I got a feeeling, and i got the chills when i heard it. Now im gonna say something, and then feel free to call me what you want its just a feeling. But suddenly i remembered something. Its a small thing, but anyway.

Can Michael be in Saudi Arabia or Barahin? I mean, he lived there for a few years before he want back to teh states. The reason i though of this is because they are sining, og being in a desert, on a horse with no name.. That desert could be one of these places i just mentionned, and the “horse” can be a castle. think about it, Michael knows people there. Am i makeing any sence? I got the chills for some reason, I dunno why

I’m sorry.. one more thing.. From watching the videos of Michael’s concerts from overseas, he did tour through Dublin in Ireland back in 1997. So he would have probably seen some of this countryside I would think.

Ok I am going rewrite everything I just wrote and lost, but I am going to submit it in bits, so please bear with me.

MJ’s lyrics

She said don’t you worry my friend,
I’ll take care,
Take my hand,
I’ll take you there.
Oooh! Take me to the place without no name.
Take me to the place without no name.
She said don’t you worry my friend,
I’ll take care,
Take my hand,
I’ll take you there.

Americas lyrics…
On the first part of the journey
I was looking at all the life
There were plants and birds and rocks and things
There was sand and hills and rings
The first thing I met was a fly with a buzz
And the sky with no clouds
The heat was hot and the ground was dry
But the air was full of sound

Ive been through the desert on a horse with no name
It felt good to be out of the rain
In the desert you can remember your name
cause there aint no one for to give you no pain
La, la …

After two days in the desert sun
My skin began to turn red
After three days in the desert fun
I was looking at a river bed
And the story it told of a river that flowed
Made me sad to think it was dead

You see Ive been through the desert on a horse with no name
It felt good to be out of the rain
In the desert you can remember your name
cause there aint no one for to give you no pain
La, la …

After nine days I let the horse run free
cause the desert had turned to sea
There were plants and birds and rocks and things
There was sand and hills and rings
The ocean is a desert with its life underground
And a perfect disguise above
Under the cities lies a heart made of ground
But the humans will give no love

You see Ive been through the desert on a horse with no name
It felt good to be out of the rain
In the desert you can remember your name
cause there aint no one for to give you no pain

I am on a roller here.

Now, the song. MJ’s version….strange from the man who likes to tell stories with his music, sending out messages was his stock in trade. Messages about war, povety, cruelty and mans inhumanity to man. The MJ version is about 5 lines long and is repetetive. Have another listen and look at the lyrics I transcribed. WHO is the SHE who will hold his hand??? And who is the SHE who will take him THERE????

All his songs have messages, there is no reason th think that this does not, because it repeats itself is possibly meaning, I am going to tell you and tell you until you get the message.

I think the women is LIzz Taylor

Lets be hyperthetical for one moment….Here goes.

Mj decides he wants out….This is too much for him.

It is something he has planned in the back of his mind for the last few years…Because of having kids, he wants them to be normal…As normal as humanly possible, having a father like him.

He trusts Liz Taylor absolutely….He tells her everything. All his plans and ideas.

Liz Taylor gets the ball rolling, using a series of codes to MJ’s doctor about a painting.

The painting refers to MJ.

Transportation is arranged, a yacht and finally some road vehicle….Not a plane. Too obvious.

Mj is spirited away either the night before or the morning of the supposed heart attack….One of MJ’s doctors disappears aslo.

Doctors, as we all know, are bound by the Hypocratic oath and part of that states that they “Have to preserve life” They are also bound by patient confidentiality!!!!

The doctor gets MJ from the house, perhaps disguised as a nurse or a staff member.

They go in an un-assuming vehicle to the port where everything is ready. Get on board ship and wait for 48/72 hours.

While we are concentrating on the media stories, fans flocking to Neverland, the house in LA and any other MJ related place, they will not ne at the harbour.

The boat quietly slips away and sails down the coast, through the Panama Canal and out into the Caribbean Sea.

It only takes a few days to get to the UK. Slipping off the boat as a crew man, he could have gone in a car to a safe location for a few days.

Now, the next part. If he were going back to the Middle East he could have gone on one of the many private jets that the Arab Princes have dotted all over the world.

Or, the boat has continued on to Europe or through to the Mediterranean Sea and docked in somewhere close to where he needs to be, jump in a car – again dressed like a crew member. Bingo!!!! The plan has worked.

A policeman friend of mine once said “If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck” I said “If it’s a parrot trained to quack like a duck, and act like a duck, is it a parrot or a duck”

What I mean to say is this…If we are told something often enough, we start to believe it.

Sceneario!!!!!

Ladies and gentlemen may I introduce Mr Michael Jackson – The crowd pushes and shoves – they cheer – the room is full of noise. Camera flashes are going off. The “man” is trying to speak. The crowd is now part of the mass hysteria and frenzy caused by the appearance of the superstar.

Now, remember what I said about the parrot.

The crowd are so blinded by the ferver of the moment that they can’t see the wood for the trees. They are told it’s MJ when it could be Nigel, an IT expert from Nottingham who has been primed, coached and trained to replace Mj for events such as this.

We have to stay focused and grounded. There are so many smoke screens that we have to wade through that the going is hard. But we can do it people.

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/Michael+Jackson-10518.html

http://www.prlog.org/10280371-was-working-with-star-on-africa-gig-says-irish-surgeon.html

http://www.maximum-jackson.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=9590

I’m all Googled out

Take a look at these.

Just found this on MJ’s fanclub website: http://www.mjfanclub.net

(21-7-2009) The body of Michael Jackson is temporarily interred in a basement at Forest Lawn Memorial Park and Mortuary in Los Angeles (USA). His family is reportedly still agonizing over the decision of where he will finally be laid to rest.

A source close to the family says: “They [still] haven’t decided,” but adds that the entertainer’s family might be one step closer to an agreement.

Katherine Jackson had previously objected to making Neverland Valley Ranch Michael’s final resting place because “She thinks it’s a place of horrible memories. She says that Michael wouldn’t want to be there.” However, she has since softened her opinion, according to the source.

“Katherine is still opposed to Michael being buried at Neverland, but would relent if it could be arranged for Michael’s children to gain ownership of the property. If they could have complete ownership, Katherine would approve.”

How this may play out continues to be seen as there is currently a majority state in the property held by private investors. The source cites that there could be possible income should Neverland become like Graceland, the Memphis home of Elvis Presley.

Quite right about the song being only a snippet……If that is the chorus line, then we can speculate as to the rest of it.

Now with an Ireland theme going on….Try this for size

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/Michael+Jackson-10518.html

http://www.prlog.org/10280371-was-working-with-star-on-africa-gig-says-irish-surgeon.html

http://www.maximum-jackson.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=9590

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/Michael+Jackson-10518.html

Read this

Sum of my friends n I were talkin ’bout the stunts Mj had pulled in the past n we all laughed to our heart’s content, the mere thought that he cud be sumwhere watchin these events unfold made us laugh even harder…Phew!! He takes my breath away!!

http://www.maximum-jackson.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=9590

Now read this comment on a forum I found.

I remember bawlin my eyes out throughout the memorial, i cudnt even talk ’bout MJ without bein emotional 4days. im not surprised to see this Pics of Blanket with tears in his eyes, Yes he cried, but it might be becuz he misses his dad not becuz his dad is dead. More interestin is this report that Blanket thinks his Dad is on Holiday, didnt Jermaine n Latoya say that a therapist advised that the Kids should see their Father n they did see him after he wuz pronounced dead. Why wud Blanket think the same Dad is on Holiday after bein told hes dead.. maybe we shud ask Blanket..lol

I made up my mind that Mj wuz alive after seein that NAVI guy on TV at the 02 memorial in London, i wuz so shocked that i sat up immediately from the couch i wuz layin on. Men!! that guy cud pass 4 MJ anytime at anywhere.

….n i dont think MJ wud leave clues or traces jus yet, i mean they have not even buried his supposed “corpse” n a lot of ppl who know him have said hes more intelligent than we think he is. Who knows?? He might be on this site readin wat his Fans think ’bout.

Lest i 4get, ADMIN U did a great job on the site…Keep it up. 2 thumbs up!!

Hey, you guys made me remember a video on youtube of Will.i.am and Michael! Will.i.am was talking to access Hollywood or somebody and Michael was sitting right there in Ireland talking about “putting a jolt back into the music industry.” I’m at work, and can’t really go find it right now, so I will have to do that later from home, but it was a really good interview. They were collaborating on something. Oh, wow! Getting good! While the drama in the U.S. plays out about lawyers, and wills and autopsies.. etc.

I would lean more towards either Ireland or Scotland. There are some articles about Ireland out there from 2006 and 2007. Michael was trying to buy a home in Ireland back in 2007. Also the link from the Martin Brashir youtube video is correct that he made that statement he was buying antiques for his other home (he had already moved out of Neverland). He had a desire to purchase a castle in Ireland and always wanted to live there.
My story link was about a place in Scotland that at certain times of the year you can name the area because it has no name, so I didn’t think I was quite that far off, maybe by about 8 hours. But I did remember that he had been in Ireland with Will.i.am. recording. The video is on youtube about them discussing putting a “jolt back into the music industry”. Haven’t seen the jolt yet.

Anyone notice how natural a death the “death” of Michael Jackson hysteria died ??? All we are getting is teaspoon bite sized pieces of “legalities” … “Filler-in” media trick …

Joe Jackson’s appearance with this “mouthpiece/frontman” on Larry King Live on CNN was a dog and pony show … although I am totally convinced that Larry King knew what he was up against in a hurry, Larry has been in the business way too long so as to n-o-t notice that he was being royally had by these 2 clowns who in all probabiliy crawled back under their respective rocks they live under …

What comforts me is this:

** Michael escaped the trenches of all that burdened him and the more time that elapses since his “death” on 6/25, the more his escape cements itself as TRUE … BE SAFE Michael and enjoy life

** Joe Jackson is a primitive creature, substandard lying sack of s**t and will milk this “my-son-died” story until the cows come home and drop dead – BUT: ONE day he WILL find himself before the Judge of Judges where – after stearnly being told “Ok Joe, I am listening… talk” – there is NO escape and the very deamons who’ve controlled him all his life will be at the ready to escort him to this place: http://www.flairfordesign.com/hell.html where at best, there it NO air/conditioning ….

What is everbody else thinking at this point ?

You can tell it’s nearly 2 am, I’m typing like a twit.

Now Ireland and the County Cork lead.

I am doing my family tree…I have traced my ancestors through my fathers side of the family back to c1550 Bedfordshire, England. My great grandmother Sarah Ellen Lawrence, was (before she married my great grandfather Frederick), Sarah Ellen Rooney from County Cork in Ireland. I have been longing to go and visit the place to see where she came from, visit grave yards etc, and trace my Irish ancestry through her line…Do you get where I’m going with this????

I could kill 2 birds with 1 stone and do a reccie of the place, ask questions etc. Once the locals realise I’m one of them, they may open up to me…..

Back to my boat theory for one moment….If MJ travelled from the US by boat, he could easily slip off the thing in Ireland. Not going to the Middle East as we first thought. This idea just gets more plausible the more I think about it.

Apparently Joe Jackson doesn’t even know where MJ’s body is!!!!!!!!!

“Doh!!! Where did I leave that boy”??????? LOL

OR

“I’ve lost something. Hang on a minute,,,,,,, got my keys, got my wallet…No, there’s something else. Turned the srove off, put the cat out, put the garbage out. Got my coat….Still missing something…No, it’s gone, can’t remember. WAIT…Now I’ve got it….My production company paperwork. Thank God I remembered the important stuff?”

The British TV show on Sunday is an interview with Uri Geller. Geller and MJ parted company after the Living with Michael Jackson fiasco of an interview.

Geller had suggested Bashir as the one to run with because he had interviewed Princess Diana in 1995. Bashir is jinxed…It seems that everyone he interviews who is in the public gaze dies within a few years.

Geller and MJ were not friends in the end, and MJ did not return phone calls to Geller. I honestly think that Geller has jumped on the financial band wagon by “sharing” his memories of Mj and apparently introducing previously unseen photos etc.

It is thought that Geller got paid for introducing Bashir to MJ…I can believe it as well. Geller, along with alot of the others is taking advantage of Jackson fever and is lining his pockets.

Joe says he doesn’t know where Michael’s body is? He is too busy making plans for other things to bother with Michael. Here is a story from Msnbc.com:

Joe Jackson plans 80th birthday bash

If Joe Jackson’s spate of recent interviews feels like a publicity tour, that might be because it is one. Michael Jackson’s father is ramping up for his big 80th birthday bash scheduled for Aug. 22 in the Chicago suburb of Tinley Park.

He’s throwing the party with his record label partner Marshall Thompson, who wrote on his MySpace page that the singer’s father is well-known for his “popular birthday celebrations each year.”

If it seems like a strange way to work through grief, there is this: The celebration will double as a benefit for the new cultural center Jackson plans on building in Gary, Ind.
“I wanted to give back to the city of Gary,” Jackson said. He added that plans for the cultural center include a large hotel, restaurants, a memorabilia museum, a movie theater, a performing arts theater, and a recording studio.

However, representatives for the office of Gary’s mayor, Rudy Clay, weren’t aware of the big birthday party/fundraiser plans.

“The Jackson family is still grieving the loss of their son, like we all are,” a spokesman said. “We’re always talking to the family, but there are no announcements to be made about fundraiser or the memorial.”

When it was pointed out that apparently Jackson and Thompson were apparently OK with making announcements, the mayor’s office said they’d have to look into things further.

In the mean time, Jackson is in New York, scouting out locations for future fundraisers.

Refering to my last comment. And thinking a little more about it. The child looks as though he has been groomed to look like MJ.

Maybe MJ did have a one night stand as the paper suggests…He admitted himself that he was only human and not a god. The flesh is weak and all that…However, I do not think that the father is MJ…How about you guys??????

Perhaps he wanted children so bad that he was willing to believe that he was the boys child…

I’m typing with 2 left hands tonight LOL

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8121209.stm

This has the Ahhh!!! factor…

I have found the studio that MJ was in with Will.i.am in 2006

http://www.grouselodge.com/content.php?ID=1

One of the UK’s famous – or should I say – infamous – tabloids is running with the Son of MJ story…The headlines inplied that the ’son’ was going to tell the truth about his father….

Making money out of the old man eh! Omar…..You and thousands of others…You should be ashamed of yourselves.

MyBelovedMJ

Do you think Miek will be coming out for the piblic to see him any time soon?
What do you think guys?

To the Divine Mrs Jones: I read somewhere, I cannot remember where exactly, that Michael Jackson castrated himself to keep his boyish voice, could that be true? If so, then he could not have been able to father any of his “official” and non official children. The world knows his official children are not his biological children, but why are the tabloids claiming this Omer is MJ’s son knowing that MJ can never father children?

I found something very interesting today. Mind you this story really has nothing to do with Michael, but was found under a search about truths and half-truths about Michael Jackson. Don’t discount the story. At the end ask yourself this questions:

Who really died at the Holmby Hills Mansion? Here is the story

“Be careful of what you do ’cause the lie becomes the truth.”
- Michael Jackson

little something on the nature of celebrity, and identity.

“It is normal to give away a little of one’s life in order not to lose it all.”

Albert Camus.

“Table for one, please.”

The maitre d’ looks up from his diary at the two men standing in front of him. They are remarkably similar in appearance. Dressed in black, hair high and stiff with wax, artfully tousled. Very tall. Very pale. Almost translucent.

“For — one, sir?”

The taller of the two crooks his head.

“That’s right. My friend here won’t be staying. He just needs to use the rest room. If that’s ok.”

The maitre d’ blinks, and regards the two men for a moment. It’s a quiet night. If he had any excuse, he would have lied to them, told them they were fully booked, that a table tonight was impossible. Their stillness and composure bother him at a primal level, beyond the rational.

But the room is half-empty tonight, and the receipts for the month are down. He does not have the luxury of lizard-brain instinct when his business is wobbling over a pit.

“Of course, sir. This way.”

The two men note the placement of the table (”a little close to the kitchen, don’t you think?”) then move off to the rest room. The maitre d’ quickly clears one place setting, and watches them as they walk away. They were disturbingly alike, yet each carried themselves in a completely different way. Side by side, they were easy to tell apart. Yet if one were to choose to impersonate the other, who could tell what mischief could be done?

It would end in tears, the maitre d’ thinks. These two gentlemen are involved in games that can only end in tears.

The wash room is empty. The two men take up position, and for a minute there is only the sound of water on porcelain.

“Have you thought what you’re going to do yet?” They stand at attention, facing the tiled wall ahead, not looking at each other as they speak.

“No. I thought something simple. Pasta, maybe. She likes pasta.”

“Mmm. Simple. Good. A couple of bottles of red, though. You know how she drinks when she’s upset.”

“Yes. Yes, I do.”

The taller man lets a puff of air out through his nose, a huff of something that could have been amusement.

“Have you thought what you’re going to say yet?”

“The usual. It’s not her, it’s me. I can’t be the man that she wants. I thought I might make up an affair.”

“Well, do what you must. Try not to be too cruel. I do still think highly of her.”

The other one looks over now, his grey eyes calm, analytical. “But not highly enough that you’ll do this yourself.”

“No. No, I suppose you’re right.”

They finish and zip up at the same time. The other one quickly washes his hands, then steps to the door. “Well, then. I’ll be off.”

“Good luck.”

The other one looks quizzically at his companion. “The key?”

“Oh. Yes. Of course.” He digs in his pocket, tosses over a single Yale, unadorned by any kind of key chain. “Will you be long, do you think?”

“I’ll be done by the time you’re onto coffee. See you soon.”

He nods, and the other one leaves. He moves to the sink, and begins to slowly wash his hands.

Behind him, a cubicle flushes, and a short, dark man in a good suit comes out. He takes a place at the next sink. He glances over. Then again, a comedy double-take. He struggles for a moment with an inner dilemma, and comes to a conclusion.

“Excuse me,” he says. “I hope you don’t mind, this is a bit of an awkward place but — you’re Calum Fry, aren’t you?”

He allows his shoulders to droop for a moment, then straightens, and fixes the stranger with a cool, grey gaze.

“Yes, that’s right. Hello.”

“Oh. Wow. Erm, hello. I’m a fan, well, my wife, she’s a really big fan, and, well, blimey, wait till I tell her who I met in the bogs!”

“It’ll be quite a story.”

The stranger brays out an abrupt laugh. Then something comes to him, and the smile drops away.

“Wait a minute, though. Aren’t you playing tonight? In Hammersmith? That’s a bit of a bus ride from here, Calum.”

“Yes, it is. So it’s just as well I went on ten minutes ago.”

Silence, as the little stranger soaks up the meaning.

“Then that guy you were talking to, sorry, I didn’t mean to listen, but I couldn’t really help it…”

“Is a split, yes. I have two. For busy moments in the schedule.”

“Oh.” A quiet, wondering sound. “I know a lot of the celebs have them now, keep the paps off their back, means they can do loads of parties, but I never thought someone like you…”

“You’d be surprised.”

“Right. Yeah, I think I am. Calum, I hope you don’t mind — is it expensive?”

“Very.”

“Does it hurt?”

And Calum Fry looks at the reflection in the mirror, and has to think before he can reply.

“Hard to tell yet.”

And he flicks his cold, grey gaze onto the smaller man, who flinches back at its coldness. At its inhumanity.

“Right, well, nice to meet you, I won’t take up any more of your time, good luck tonight! With erm, everything.”

And he’s backing away even as he says that, and he’s almost running as he goes through the washroom door.

Calum Fry turns back to the sink. With a soapy finger, he draws a circle on the mirror. Then another, intersecting it shallowly. Then a third, forming a kind of loose inverted triangle. He looks at the tiny rounded section in the middle. The fraction that was untouched, unsullied.

Festival season was coming up, and he was booked so solidly that his management were talking about a fourth split. Another circle, and the bit in the middle gets smaller.

Somewhere under a bridge, Calum gently plucks a guitar and sings a song about a girl he used to know. Somewhere near a park, Calum stirs a pot of simmering farfalle while a girl sips wine and chatters about her day. He waits for the right moment to interrupt her.

In a restaurant, Calum looks at the three dots tattooed onto the web between the thumb and forefinger of his right hand, and tries to remember whether that means he is the original or not.

And he finds he can no longer look into the mirror, for the face that he finds there is not one that he properly recognises.

Also speaking of songs besides xscape listen to jam and watch ghost, read jams lyrics and watch the cryptic message in ghost which is michael versus the media.

some jam lyrics.

I Have To Find My Peace Cuz
No One Seems To Let Me Be
False Prophets Cry Of Doom
What Are The Possibilities
I Told My Brother
There’ll Be Problems,
Times And Tears For Fears,
It Ain’t Too Much Stuff
It Ain’t
Don’t You
It Ain’t Too Much For Me To jam(dissapear)

The World Keeps Changing
Rearranging Minds
And Thoughts
Predictions Fly Of Doom
The Baby Boom
Has Come Of Age
We’ll Work It Out

I Told My Brothers

What is it that we love about MJ?

Is it him, the music, the little boy lost. Each and everyone of us has taken something from him, and returned with our loyalty and love. What is it about him that makes us so devoted????

Personally, it is because he has always been there, throughout my life. Although we are the same age, I feel like I did when I lost Benjamin in a shop oneday when he was about 5 or 6. Sick and anxious to hear news that he was OK. Why do I feel that about a person I have never met? May never meet. I cannot explain it. There is something spiritual about the feeling and it is as though something from my soul has gone. How strange!!!

I’ve been feeling the same way. For almost 30 days now. I cannot remove this man from my thoughts. I have tried. He invades almost every waking moment. Even when I am sleeping he is there. I cannot even begin to understand why. When I listen to his music and read stories about Micheal (not the tabloid stories, but from people who knew him- my heart aches) I can feel the pain and sorrow of his life. It makes me think of the connection I have with my own mother. We have this special bond. When she was pregnant with me, my father passed away four months before I was born. She almost miscarried me. I held on and showed up a month earlier than I was supposed to. She called me her miracle baby. That was 44 years ago. Now, whenever she is sad, I’m sad. If she hurts, I hurt. If she’s happy, I’m happy. I have to call her sometimes to remind her to take her medicine or to cheer her up. I also sometimes have to meditate to turn off the world, because I sometimes get bogged down the “weight of the world.”
But, back to Michael, I don’t know why I’m having a hard time putting on the shelf for a few minutes. It’s unrealistic to me. There is a part of me that says, he’s gone and you can’t change that, and another part of me that says, no he’s not, hold on, wait a minute, you’ll see. It’s that nagging women’s intuition that just won’t let me put it away. I have felt that almost from the moment they said he died. Only because they kept showing that press conference and I kept saying “that is not Michael Jackson”.
There is also a picture supposedly of him where he is waving with his right hand, and in the middle of his hand is a red dot (if anyone has seen it, please post it). Someone linked this picture on another site an said this person was an imposter. I read on here that there were several imposters of Michael. So who’s to say that this scenario did not take place:

“Michael got wind of a plot to take him out. He placed one of his look alikes in the house. This person was then murdered. Michael made certain individual aware of this (it had to look real) to sniff out the perputrators. and why.”

He would have to have help. Not only that, according to certain people close to him, he updates his will every 5 years. The will they have is from 2002. That would mean there should be one from 2007. Why did this will not surface? Does that mean he really does not want the true will to be used? Is there a reason the death certificate has not been signed?
Is the doctor being scapegoated? or did the doctor tip Michael off to what was really going on and aid Michael in escaping?
only time will tell.. just needed to put my thougts on paper. If Michael is alive., I wish he would just come back and tell us and let us rest. If he’s not then maybe he’s trying to communicate with us and we aren’t getting any sleep, and I wish he would just tell us outright. I for one would like to get some sleep.

I could have told you that

Another Benjamin observation…In the ambulance the supposed MJ is wearing his usual make-up, and looking pretty good, considering.

Ben said…..”How did he have time to put make-up on if he was in bed having been given an injection by the doctor to help him sleep and then having a heart attack?”….Nice one Ben.

I read on this site that he had been to rehearsals and did not arrive home until after 12.30am. He had gone to bed,. And that was where he was found the next day…So when did he go and put the make-up on?

“I’m dying, but before I go, pass me the Max Factor”……….I don’t think so.

A story in the British taloids today headlined “Prince found Michael dead”………These tales get longer and better.

So WHO is holding the smoking gun????????????

“Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough
Keep On With The Force Don’t Stop
Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough”

These are the chorus lyrics from the song “Don’t Stop ‘Til You Get Enough”

I just caught Benajmin singing this!!!!

“Keep on to the post office.
Don’t stop till the letters gone”

He told me that it’s what he thought MJ was singing. I laughed so hard I nearly blew my teeth out…:)

Benjamin is very observant…I didn’t even think about that. Who has time to put on makeup before passing out? You are right about the different and confusing stories. They started the day he “died”. They have not stopped. At the beginning they were coming out so fast, it made your head spin. Then, they sort of died down in the last couple of weeks. However in the last week, they have picked up steam again. And they are even more confusing than they were in the beginning.
One of the stories out there that really grabbed my attention was that the estate managed to get about 5 million dollars returned to it from a former financial advisor. I wonder how many former financial advisors and former associates have money that doesn’t belong to them who were trying to destroy Michael will be finding their way to court to return mismanaged funds. This is probably where all his money went to. Maybe this was his way of getting his money back.
Hey watch out for that Tohme Tohme guy, I heard he was a really bad guy…
Oh, and by the way, that was funny about the lyrics..

Also , the two men who have been named “temporary administrators” of Michael jackson’s estate are recovering money from people who had financial dealings with Michael. Is this the real story? I mean is it possible that Dr. Murray is a stooge? Or is Dr. Murray in on it with Michael to uncover a vast conspiracy to smoke out the real culprits. The judge has not finalized anything in open court. Keep that in mind. Everything has been moved back. Every proceeding has been postponed until August 3. The child guardianship hearings, the executor hearings, the cause of death has been deferred. Nothing has been finalized. So what is really going on? This story is far from over. I think it’s just beginning.
The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that someone wanted Michael dead. Follow the money. If Michael is alive I pray he’s safe. If he’s not, I pray the people behind it are brought to justice for what was done to him.

There’s no MJ’s body in that coffin. I bet they found a John Doe at short notice and it was a case of now or never. The time was right so MJ had to swing into action. Carrying out the plan that had been hatched years before.

That story about the paramedics saying he was already dead and that they didn’t realize it was Michael Jackson. They said he just looked like a frail old man. I don’t understand that. The picture that etonline posted and that Benjamin pointed out about the makeup don’t look like a “frail old man”. You can look at the picture and would be let to believe that it is Michael Jackson on the stretcher. I read on another post somewhere that the picture could be from 1995. I don’t know how true that is, I haven’t been able to find it anywhere to verify it. So it’s another clue. And no frail old man has time to put on makeup.The body at the house had been dead for at least 2 hours. And the 911 caller didn’t identify that it was Michael Jackson, so what gives? Supposedly, the doctor had Prince Michael come in and watch him give his father cpr. So,lets suppose this is true. Michael was actually in the room on the bed when this was taking place. The would explain the cpr on the bed story. He couldn’t actually give a live body cpr on a hard surface and take the chance of injuring Michael could he?
How do the paramedics play a part in this? How did they get the body out of the house?
hmmm……….

Right….I want you all to click on this Youtube link…Turn your speakers up….Push the chair away from the computer desk…And dance…Wave your arms around and sing your hearts out.

It’s Jackie Wilson “Higher and Higher”….A feel good song if ever there was one. Smile, feel good about youselves and know you’re loved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMWqzHvSMvw

I think that post by “closepaltomj” is intended to yank our chains, based solely on the username alone. I mean, really, close pal to MJ? That’s almost as lame as believing ImJanetMsJacksonIfUrNasty came on posing as his sister.

Did you all see this? http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/michael_jackson/391996/Jack-in-the-box-Michael-Jackson-in-Charlie-Chaplin-photos.html A picture of Michael as a young man playing dead in a coffin at Madame Tussaud’s. Just more proof of his unusual sense of humor & unpredictability. Foreshadowing? A long-time plan? I think I’m analyzing this pic too much. But it does show yet again he had some fascination with death. His morbid streak is apparent in quite a few of his lyrics & music videos.

My feeling is MJ’s alive. He could be in the witness protection program, hiding from elitist thugs, hiding from a murder plot directed towards him, thwarting a threatened kidnapping, escaping his life-in-a-fishbowl existence, escaping debts/tarnished reputation from the trials/legal troubles, lawsuits/responsibilities, or knowing when to retire & bow out with a spectacular bang. It does seem that some select people (like T. M. or the Arabian sheik he owed $…heck, even Wyclef Jean stated “MJ owes me money”), companies (like Sony), The Powers That Be (interpret that how you want) could want to “take him out.” Very scary. MJ was courageous & brazen in his anti-corruption-in-the-music-biz speeches…yikes. “Turn your cameras off for this part….Oh, what the hell, leave them on…Tommy Mottolla is a DEVIL” is to-the-point & playing with fire (no pun intended). That was mainly in 2001-02. Makes me wonder if that jump started a revenge plot against MJ & his reputation, thus more child abuse allegations/trial.

The username “closepaltomj” triggered my memory to that Illuminious Theo fake (but entertaining) story by “Father LingYu Fu” which, if truly a Chinese name, has the surname first with the given name following (opposite how we go by our names in the Western world). So it’s Father Fu LingYu…duh…Fooling You.

Hi minimalany,

I do not think that MJ would EVER top himself. He thinks the world of the children, and NOTHING would ever take them from him, or him from them. He wants to live forever, and in true Peter Pan fashion, he believes he can. Peter Pan would never kill himself. MJ would never kill himself. Personally, I refuse to even let that idea enter the equation.

What I do believe, and keeping with the Peter Pan theme, is this….MJ ia 50 years of age, and I am 51. I think like I did 30 odd years ago, but you know, my body does not work like it did 30 odd years ago. What I am saying is, that maybe these rehearsals and prospective tours made him suddenly realise that he is mortal, he isn’t going to live forever, and that what he did even 10 years ago, is now that little bit harder. The dance routines are a little more difficult. I think that he did not want to let his fans down by disappointing them with – to him – a half hearted performance. His dreams shattered, and his life scrutinised right down to the bear bones, he’s opted to disappear and allow us to remember him as he was in his hay day. He’s gone somewhere to come to terms with this and to gather his thoughts. I believe he is still alive, I believe he is very sad and lonely. And, I believe that the family know where he is….

I have just had a thought. MJ loved magic, tricks and illusions…..One of the people that he admires is David Coppefield…The man who made a yacht disappear, who walked through the Great Wall of China. It stands to reason that this is the greatest illusion, the greatest trick the world has ever seen. The disappearing King of Pop.

Keep the audiences attention diverted, while the essence of the trick is being played out behind the scenes. Smoke screens, mirrors and slight of hand. The imitation, the fakes….all set up, while the real MJ slips quietly away.

I have just found this site and have been reading all commnets. I to have doubts about MJ. I have watched the ambulance pic several times and to me the skin is much darker than his. He was pale in color. Hie looks as though he has a frown over his brow The video transporting the body if you look close into the helicopter the person on the stretcher looks bigger and when they remove the stretcher it looks flat This news has hit me very hard and it just does not seem real. Can’t shake it. At the o2 conference the walk, mannerisms, voice and skin color. I don.t think that was MJ.

Hi there Je…….And all,

Welcome to this site…Call in anytime, we’re all friendly and have the same goals in mind. Any thoughts or ideas, how ever far fetched they may seem…Jot them down. You have to sort the wheat from the chaff!!!!!!!!!!

I had to attend an “after training meeting and dinner” with work last night and I managed to turn the conversation around to the MJ hoax death debate. The laptops came out and a lot of the others watched the helicopter footage and are in agreement with us that the body sits up…I did not prompt them by the way, I just asked them to watch the inside of the craft very closely.

Now, one girl put her idea in, and it’s quite a sound one…Here goes!

The addiciton to prescription drugs could not have been for MJ, but the impersonator. The man who was to be the body when the time came. Perhaps this man died and the swap had to be done at that time. Maybe the impersonator had been ill for some time and knew that the end was near. The painkillers would have been used for him and not MJ, hence why MJ was so secretive when questioned about his so called addiction.

As I say, it was an idea thrown into the mix…What do you guys think?????

Sorry for my absence… I have been doing some research and trying to piece together some things in my own head this week. I am still sitting on the fence, but as I have stated before I still lean to Ireland. I have been chatting with others who I’m not sure if they think MJ is still with us, but I am almost certain they do. I am almost certain they believe that the reason why it was done was to expose a great conspiracy done to MJ and this conspiracy is being exposed however slowly it may be done, hopefully each and everyone of them will rot in jail or hell whichever metes out the worst punishment!
I was told almost point blank that what some of us can’t see the forest for the trees. I was also told to not allow the media to fool you and to not let the media mislead you. Most of what you have been told and what you see is fiction. It’s there because people will believe only in what they see. There are those who most likely conspired to do harm based on one simple thing: GREED. This story is far from over. Try to remember this number: 9 That number is important. 1 is a distraction. 8 are left.

Maybe the focus should be on WHO is actually driving the media!

OK, please don’t have a go at me guys but now after looking at this website hoping to find some answers as I really do sincerely want to believe that MJ is alive, the more I read the more I believe that he is dead. I think people are getting a bit too ‘James Bond’ with it all. Please someone if you can answer all of my points below I really will believe that he is alive. As I said before I started out a believer and I still want to be, so please just hear me out as I am not here to slate anyone or their opinions.

1) I do not think that MJ’s body was in the casket at the memorial no, perhaps he could have been cremated beforehand or just simply kept at the memorial park which would explain why there would be no need tp move the body. I t would also explain the ‘lack of emotion’ on the families behalf, knowing that he wasn’t in there might have made things easier.

2) As for MJ being in the roof how could he have gone into hiding with all of these theories of boats and things if he was still in LA?

3) As everyone is aware LA is in a considerable amount of debt at the moment, why use the taxpayers money to stage a fake memorial? Surely the Jackson’s would have paid out for it if all this money is flying around? Surely if it is a hoax there would be a huge backlash on MJ for that.

4) Again the time time and money being spent on the investigation, I understand we are only hearing what the media wants us to hear but again why waste all of that money if the police are in on it and know that MJ is alive? What will you all say if Dr. Conrad Murray is found guilty of manslaughter? Surely they wouldn’t let an innocent man go down.

5) If the media are all in on it why would they cooperate with MJ after all these years to pull off this stunt. Money, you might say, but surely he could have paid them off years ago when he wasn’t in so much debt to leave him alone because lets face it sadly he did have more negative press when in fact he deserved much better.

6) Somebody made a comment about red dots on hands, all I can say is who has never got ink or print rub off on their hands. Something to do with the shape as well. No offence to the guy he he went to the extent of doing that much surgery to his face sure he would have corrected a minor problem like his hand.

7) I can also thing of reason for not having an open casket. IF and only IF his body was in there would you really trust all those people in that center. If you think about it there were sick people that had tickets and tried to sell them. Whats to say that those people that were neither close to the family or real fans wouldn’t try and grab a piece of him. For example his plastic surgery and nose tips have been largely talked about whether true or not. What if the family just wanted him to be left alone and not have some crazed person try and grab his body trying to see of things like his body were real or not giving someone another opportunity to cash in on his death. The other thing I ask is would you want your dead body on display to millions around the world? Maybe whether cremated first or not, his family just wanted him to have his privacy in death.

As for members of the family talking about him in the present death, I know that when I have been grieving before I have also accidentally done this in error, simply because it is still difficult and hard to believe they are gone. When it is someone you know personally it quite often doesn’t sink in for some time.

9) Maybe the coroner’s report has still not been released as it might hamper the investigation. I think the LAPD may have already made mistakes and maybe they want to investigate further into other things before they are made public.

10) If all news/hoax death forums are being taken down off of the internet then why hasn’t this one been. If anything this is the most famous one of all of them which doesn’t make sense. Surely the family or MJ would want this one taken down dur to all of the theories and the amount of internet traffic it produces. Maybe the lack of news is simply because there isn’t any becasue the police are remaining tight lipped about it all.

11) Again, IF and only IF the rumours are true that Prince Michael witnessed the CPR being administered he would have to testify this in court. Would MJ really let a 12 year biy have to go through all of that. I really don’t think he would, he loves his kids too much.

12) With reference to the ambulance pic and the ‘make up’ it has been reported that MJ did used to wear semi permanent eyeliner and mascara which wouldn’t smudge. Meaning that it is almost tattooed on him for a good six months. The only make-up he may have usually worn would be a good powder adn foundation to even out his skin tone which tended to give him that very unusual really white appearance. That could explain why he had more colour in his face etc…..because he hadn’t applied any make up.

13) Dave the psychic someone has also mentioned on here as well. Yes, I do like to believe there is an afterlife somehow, somewhere, in this life. But if this person was a real clairvoyant/psychic he would know that the first rule of it all is that you cannot communicate with people that have passed on until at least 6 months after they have passed as they are still in transition. Therefore anyone that claims they cannot find his spirit is becasue he is in transition and anyone who claims to have spoken to MJ’s spirit is also not likely to be real/, or they could be voicing there own opinions wanting yoiu to believe it is MJ’s.

Believe me I would like nothing more than for MJ to come out and suprise us all and be alive. But unfortunately the more theories I read the more can be explained. Whilst I agree there is no hard evidence to the PUBLIC that he is dead, let’s face is what is the hard evidence to suggest that he is? and ironically, people say that he has done this just to be free from the public eye etc but isn’t that a contradiction because if he is in hiding he wouldn’t be able to go out and about anyway because people would notice him. I think the difference between his death and that of Elvis is that people said there were sightings of Elvis, there have only been so called sightings of MJ’s ghost, not of him in the physical sense and someone would have got a picture by now even if it was by cameraphone.

I am going to continue to read these posts because I do want to believe, I don’t believe that you guys are crazy or anything like that but maybe you should take your theories and show them to the LAPD if yoiu really think that they are that real. Go and find some hard evidence, do what you can, don’t jsut make suggestions because by doing that doesn’t that make us just as bad as the media for making up stories? If this is all a hoax then I think MJ will have such a huge backlash that it wouldn’t matter how much money he had the amount of lawsuits that would be put against him would put him in even more debt than he would have started off with.

Finally MJ if you are out there and reading this, come out now before it all goes too far and goes beyond the point of no return. Godforbid but if you have passed on may you R.I.P.

Only time will tell if this is a hoax or not. But I think as time moves on surely it is looking more like murder simpliy because of the scale

The Devine Mrs Jones……. I’ve said MJ has faked his death from the start, I’ve had all the ridicule from members of the family and I must say I expected MJ to burst out of the coffin at the memorial singing ‘I’m Bad, I’m Bad……..’ but sadly he didn’t!

Luckily my nephew also believes MJ is faking his death, so I have someone to talk to along with this great website to keep me sane.

I also have to say I’m not a MJ fan in the sense that many of you are, but appreciate that MJ had a God given talent and I dare anyone to say they don’t have a favourite MJ song or two, three….!

I’ve never believed in Stars faking their death, I am an Elvis Presley fan, but don’t believe for one second that the great man is still alive. But when I heard MJ had died and after looking at the evidence of his death, there is no way he is dead.

I’m sure that some of you may mock but hey keep it real and keep this site alive with your ideas and beliefs, we are the growing many that will show the world we are not wrong…… Michael Jackson is still ALIVE!!

Hi paranoidozzy and sw148…Everyone,

I am batting on your teams…I agree with you both. I am a ‘fan’ of the music and the talent of MJ as a performer. I am also a humanitarian and dislike and disapprove of the way he has been manipulated over the years. Some people will go to exceptional lengths to get money, even the destruction of another persons life. My late Mum used to say…What goes around, comes around..Meaning that the people who have done this will not enjoy their new found wealth because it comes with penalties and sacrifices.

I have been looking at the changing face of MJ. His plastic surgeons have a duty of care, and part of that duty involves saying “NO” to anymore surgery. I watched the entire “You rock my world” video and at the beginning he could hardly smile because the skin had been pulled that tight it restricted movement. When the mighty buck enters the equation then responsiblity goes out the window.

As I said earlier, I am a ‘fan’ of the talent of MJ and his music…He has an extraordinary approach to music and knows the right buttons to press in our psyche. BUT, if I had ever passed him on the street – an unlikely thing I know, but go with me on this – I would have kept going, because that’s the way I am, I’d let him get on with whatever he was doing.

How ironic that the St Helena website is called “Discover Our Secret”.

By the way my husband has a contact on St Helena, so if we need someone to investigate the island for us, John is our man.

Now, it’s cheer the gang up time!!!!!

This little ditty was put together by a chap called Martin Sexton, and ohhhhhhh!!!!!!! It does have the feel good factor.

I defy you not to try and sing along or even tap your feet.

Smile, enjoy….This will pick your spirits up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MurRC8dIqY

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/27/lkl.01.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/31/lkl.01.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/30/lkl.01.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/29/lkl.01.html

Some transcibed CNN Live with Larry King interviews….Take a read and see what you think.

CC…Hi there,

Very wise words from you earlier. I applaud your comments. They are written with conviction. There are those out there that will criticise our attempts to debate or prove that the “death” is a hoax. Maybe it is because we want him to NOT be dead so badly that our judgement is clouded, BUT you must allow us our freedom of speech and opinion.

Please CC, this is not a dig at you. As I said before, I applaud your words and comments. They are both intuitive and make sense. You mentioned Dave, the medium. He is my friend, and if my memory serves me correctly I said he told me that his spirit guide had said in response to the question, “Is MJ dead?” the guide answered, “No, not yet”. I am only passing on information that he gave to me. On a spiritual level it seemed pertinent to mention it on the site. I have no idea how long it takes spirit to evolve or to recognise that fact that they have passed on. It could be 6 months like you said.

As I write this I am aware that I cannot speak for anyone else who subscribes to this site, I can only speak for myself. I try to bring something to it, whether it’s snippets of information, humour and sometimes a really up-lifting song or tune to cheer everyone up. I try to do “my bit”. We all do. And I personally welcome your input…I’m saying this and I am not even Admin…Sorry Admin!!!! Don’t mean to rain on your parade. LOL

Lets just say it’s like Yin and Yang – Positive and Negative. One cannot function without the other. I welcome you to the fold with open arms and a virtual hug. I hope to enjoy more debates with you in the future.

I should be curled up in bed right now, but instead I chose to watch “Moonwalker”. The part in it when the bad guys have the little girl and MJ and the 2 boys go to her rescue and MJ confronts the baddies. The head bad guy says he’s going to kill the little girl first and MJ shouts “LEAVE HER ALONE” The sound of his voice and it’s anguish resonated through my very being…To me it wasn’t acting, that came from the heart, it was real. That came from experience.

http://www.jmbarrie.co.uk/

Maybe it’s a co-incidence, but JM Barrie has a cleft in his chin!!!!!!

Have a look at this website. To access all of it you have to register. It is free, but it is a chaming site and is full of information about the author. There is also audio from early and mis 20th century broadcasts of PP. Ironically, in one of them Wendy says to Peter “What am I to you?” and he replies “Why, you are my Mother”

If we are looking for ideas and clues. This is just one of the many roads that we must go down.