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German website believes that Michael is alive

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8:07 am
August 2, 2009


lou

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They claim to have sent two of their employees to a location where their leads were taking them. All the information and stories in the media is supposed to divert our attention from another, important fact; one which they were apparently trying to discover. They claimed that it could be very dangerous and that it would be very expensive.

Sounds a bit scaring! Is this source trustable?

8:28 am
August 2, 2009


Beat_iT

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which german website??

8:29 am
August 2, 2009


MariannaB

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They claimed they sent staff to Paraguay to investigate.

Paraguay plays a role in gold mining which is one of the main focusses of the site.


The site is private, hosted on a internet service provider company of United Internet AG group, which has very fast grown internet business in Germany. The group is active in internet access, hosting, domains, internet marketing and doing cooperation with phone & cellular phone companies such as Telefónica S.A., owner of british telephon company O2 since 2006.


8:41 am
August 2, 2009


Reflection

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Beat_iT said:

which german website??


The website address is http://www.das-bewegt-die-welt.de

It is also mentioned in my initial post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

8:44 am
August 2, 2009


Reflection

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lou said:

They claim to have sent two of their employees to a location where their leads were taking them. All the information and stories in the media is supposed to divert our attention from another, important fact; one which they were apparently trying to discover. They claimed that it could be very dangerous and that it would be very expensive.

Sounds a bit scaring! Is this source trustable?


I cannot say for sure. I just wanted to provide the users of this site will all the facts and to show that there is one other website, which has consistently stated that Michael is alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

8:47 am
August 2, 2009


watthhel

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sorry in german: es gibt doch eine Art Suchmaschine, die auch gelöschte Sachen noch ewig speichert? Weiß einer zufällig den Namen? Mir fällts nicht ein. Jedenfalls kann man da noch ewig alles nachlesen – wie auch immer. Wer mag kann das kurze hier ja auch für alle auf englisch übersetzen. Dem danke ich von Herzen!

Reflection said:

Post edited 12:30 am – August 3, 2009 by Reflection


Apart from MJHD, the German website http://www.das-bewegt-die-welt.de is the only other website, which has consistently stated that Michael is alive. They have stated from the beginning – right after Michael's 'death' – that they don't believe that he is dead and that the stories regarding Michael's death would change very soon – and they did. Suddenly Dr. Murray was being investigated, etc.

They claim to have sent two of their employees to a location where their leads were taking them. All the information and stories in the media is supposed to divert our attention from another, important fact; one which they were apparently trying to discover. They claimed that it could be very dangerous and that it would be very expensive.

The second to last article claimed that their investigations were making progress and that they were discovering some important information. I did keep watching the site but there haven't been any updates since July 13th.

The last update concerning Michael dated July 31st states that they were forced to remove several articles as well as stop their investigation regarding Michael's disappearance. They claim that some of their employees were arrested while searching for the truth.

For those of you who speak German this is the text in full (below).

Quote:

Einer der wichtigsten Punkte: Wir wurden auch gezwungen unsere Nachforschungen zum Fall “Jackson-Tod” komplett einzustellen / zu stoppen, nachdem wir hier – nach mehreren Wochen der Nachforschungen – nun endlich erfolgreich an das erwartete und sehr heiße Material gekommen sind und einige brisante Unterlagen und Zeugenaussagen in unseren Besitz bringen konnten.

Unsere Mitarbeiter bzw. die unserer Partner, mit denen wir hier recherchiert haben wurden heute in den frühen Morgenstunden festgenommen und warten nun auf die Rückkehr nach Deutschland.

End of Quote.

http://www.das-bewegt-die-welt…..p;Itemid=3

Now I have no way of knowing if what they said is true and why they even went to the trouble of trying to find out about Michael. I don't know who or why someone should want to stop them – again provided that the information is true – but I thought I'd share this information with all of you.

If anyone wants to read the full articles regarding Michael, send me a private message or write me a post here, and I'll send them to you via private message.

Under normal circumstances I would translate the articles and post them here, but it seems like something strange may be going on and they claim to have been forced to remove the articles – perhaps only temporarily – for legal reasons. I will keep an eye on their site and should the ban be lifted, I will be happy to translate the articles and post them here. In the meantime, all the important information is written in this post.


8:50 am
August 2, 2009


Reflection

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Post edited 1:59 am – August 3, 2009 by Reflection


I have been asked whether I am part of the http://www.das-bewegt-die-welt.de team.

Please note that I am in no way affiliated with any member of the website team. I don't know any of them and I discovered this site by pure chance because there was a fleeting mention of it in another forum a few weeks ago. I decided to follow the link and discovered the articles about Michael.

Now why they would try to uncover the situation surround Michael's 'death', I don't know. I have waited this long to post about this website because I wanted to see how their investigation would play out before building up people's hopes here without any proof.

This change in the situation struck me as odd, which is why I wanted to post about this here.

I am just a 'normal' person who has listened to Michael's music for as long as I can remember and who has always admired him for the love he gave to this world. As much as anyone else with genuine love for Michael I just want him to be safe and happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

9:01 am
August 2, 2009


Engel

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whatthhel,die suchmaschine würde mich auch interessieren

Smile, though your heart is aching Smile, even though it’s breaking When there are clouds in the sky You’ll get by…

9:16 am
August 2, 2009


Atharya

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i tried http://www.googlecache.com and just found part 1 of that Michael Jackson site…


Come to me and I will care for you.

10:39 am
August 2, 2009


Reflection

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watthhel said:

sorry in german: es gibt doch eine Art Suchmaschine, die auch gelöschte Sachen noch ewig speichert? Weiß einer zufällig den Namen? Mir fällts nicht ein. Jedenfalls kann man da noch ewig alles nachlesen – wie auch immer. Wer mag kann das kurze hier ja auch für alle auf englisch übersetzen. Dem danke ich von Herzen!



Translation

“Isn't there is a sort of search engine, which saves deleted content for ages? Does anyone know its name? I can't remember it. Anyway it lets you read up on everything for ages. Perhaps someone could translate this short passage for everyone. I thank that person from the bottom of my heart.”


You're welcome, watthhel (Gern geschehen, watthhel).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

12:05 pm
August 2, 2009


watthhel

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THX, but I cant find the website or search engine

Reflection said:

watthhel said:

sorry in german: es gibt doch eine Art Suchmaschine, die auch gelöschte Sachen noch ewig speichert? Weiß einer zufällig den Namen? Mir fällts nicht ein. Jedenfalls kann man da noch ewig alles nachlesen – wie auch immer. Wer mag kann das kurze hier ja auch für alle auf englisch übersetzen. Dem danke ich von Herzen!



Translation

“Isn't there is a sort of search engine, which saves deleted content for ages? Does anyone know its name? I can't remember it. Anyway it lets you read up on everything for ages. Perhaps someone could translate this short passage for everyone. I thank that person from the bottom of my heart.”


You're welcome, watthhel (Gern geschehen, watthhel).


12:06 pm
August 2, 2009


watthhel

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THX, but I cant find the website or search engine

Reflection said:

watthhel said:

sorry in german: es gibt doch eine Art Suchmaschine, die auch gelöschte Sachen noch ewig speichert? Weiß einer zufällig den Namen? Mir fällts nicht ein. Jedenfalls kann man da noch ewig alles nachlesen – wie auch immer. Wer mag kann das kurze hier ja auch für alle auf englisch übersetzen. Dem danke ich von Herzen!



Translation

“Isn't there is a sort of search engine, which saves deleted content for ages? Does anyone know its name? I can't remember it. Anyway it lets you read up on everything for ages. Perhaps someone could translate this short passage for everyone. I thank that person from the bottom of my heart.”


You're welcome, watthhel (Gern geschehen, watthhel).


12:20 pm
August 2, 2009


MariannaB

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Is there anybody in here who has access to this site and may deliver the articles of Aug 1 / 2 in full reading?

Anybody in here in the forum from Paraguay giving us a clue what it's about? Thank you.


http://music.einnews.com/paraguay/

Citing:

Paraguay Music News is an EIN News Service for music professionals. Constantly updated news and information about Paraguay Music.

US war plans target Latin America 2 Aug 2009 04:20 GMT
… its scheduled programming of a well-known pop singer. This clearly demonstrated the “political weakness of the … the US embassy is carrying out in Paraguay to bring down President Lugo. “The only …

12:52 pm
August 2, 2009


Reflection

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MariannaB said:

Is there anybody in here who has access to this site and may deliver the articles of Aug 1 / 2 in full reading?

Anybody in here in the forum from Paraguay giving us a clue what it's about? Thank you.


http://music.einnews.com/paraguay/

Citing:

Paraguay Music News is an EIN News Service for music professionals. Constantly updated news and information about Paraguay Music.

US war plans target Latin America 2 Aug 2009 04:20 GMT
… its scheduled programming of a well-known pop singer. This clearly demonstrated the “political weakness of the … the US embassy is carrying out in Paraguay to bring down President Lugo. “The only …


I don't have access to the above website but I googled the above headline and got this website: http://www.greenleft.org.au/20…../805/41435

I looked in the CACHE and got the article:


US plans war against Latin America

Federico Fuentes, Caracas

2 August 2009

With the June 28 military coup in Honduras, the plan for five United States military bases in Colombia and the intensification of a dirty propaganda campaign against Venezuela, “the big question is whether the US will look at launching a war that will undoubtedly spread throughout the region, or whether it will decide to postpone such a scenario and attempt to continue dealing regular blows”.

“There is no other possible scenario.”

This is how Luis Bilbao, the director of the Venezuelan-based Latin American-wide magazine America XXI, described the situation in the region to Green Left Weekly.

Bilbao has accompanied Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to various regional gatherings and isworking with the Chavez government to help build the Union of South American Nations (Unasur). He said recent US moves, which included assisting the Honduran coup, were the result of the “increased political role of ALBA [Bolivarian Alliance of the Peoples of Our Americas] in the region” this year.

ALBA, Set up by the revolutionary governments of Cuba and Venezuela, involves nine countries from Latin America and the Caribbean. Honduran President Manuel Zelaya, overthrown in the coup, took his country into ALBA, upsetting the US and local elites.

ALBA was created as a fair trade bloc and alternative to the neoliberal US-proposed Free Trade of Americas Agreement, but has increasingly become a political vehicle for coordinated interventions by the region’s anti-imperialist governments.

Bilbao said two events clearly demonstrated this increased collaboration and the resulting “shift in hegemony in the region”.

“The participation of the ALBA group in the Summit of the Americas in Trinidad and Tobago [held on April 17-19] is something without precedent”, he told GLW.

“The group met the day before to create a counter-document to the one that the US had already built consensus around. This resulted in an eruption of unexpected force, preventing the approval of [the US-pushed] document.”

Due to the intervention of the anti-imperialist ALBA bloc, “a large number of other countries — that had already approved the final document — felt they could not be seen to be signing onto it in opposition to the position of ALBA”.

The second event occurred two months later, at the meeting of the Organisation of American States (OAS), “where there the plan was to accept the reincorporation of Cuba into the OAS”, on the condition that “Cuba accepted Western ‘democratic’, that is, bourgeois principles”. “Here, once again, the ALBA bloc erupted onto the scene … and the plans of imperialism and the regional capitalists were defeated.”

For Bilbao, this chain of events provoked a situation “where hegemony [in the OAS] changed hands” from the US to the ALBA bloc.

“Obviously, this was something the US could not accept.”

Lacking the “political-democratic means to counter this”, the US had to “put into motion a new phase [of its counteroffensive], prepared for a long time, but contained and applied in tentative and partial ways”. He cited the example for Bolivia last September, where there was an attempt to “divide the country and initiate a civil war in order to bring down the government of President Evo Morales”.

The plan failed and the US had to backtrack.

Less than a month after the OAS meeting, the coup in Honduras occurred.

However, Bilbao said, “by the night of June 28, that coup had already failed.

“Within hours, ALBA moved into action and created that same change of hegemony I talked about before, but this time within a totally different framework.

“The OAS could not support the coup, as ALBA had already launched a plan to counteract it. Therefore, the OAS immediately came out against the coup.”

US president Barack Obama was also forced “to say he was not in favour of this, in an ambiguous fashion in order to support [the coup] while [verbally] opposing it. But the truth is the US could not play the role of heading up the coup, either openly or covertly.
“They had to come out and say they were against it. They didn’t call it a coup, but said they were against the new president.”

Despite the different manoeuvres, using Costa Rican president Oscar Arias to head negotiations between Zelaya and the coup regime, “the situation has not changed, on the contrary it has become worse for the US … it is clear the coup has failed”.

The question remains whether “the US will allow the government to fall, which would be another defeat and humiliation for the White House, or whether they will provoke a bloodbath before the government falls, so the world knows the cost of [resisting coups] is very high”.

Bilbao said: “They will undoubtedly try to place the blame on the military or business groups in Honduras. Of course there are figures in the Honduran military and its capitalist backers capable of a bloodbath.

“But it will be the result of US policy, because the US, with a single move, could put an end to that government.

“If it doesn’t, and we witness a bloodbath in Honduras, it is because the US wants to demonstrate to Latin America that it will not be easy to shake off the control, exploitation and oppression of the US over our countries.

“It is clear that if the US unleashes a massacre of the Honduran people, this confrontation will spill over into the rest of the region.”

It is in this scenario that “the US has put into motion a bigger and now more openly belligerent plan”. This plan includes the installation of military bases on the border with Venezuela and the accusations that Venezuela is a narco-state that supports terrorism and arms the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), which is waging a decades-long armed struggle against the Colombian regime.

Using third parties, the US was clearly unleashing “a war dynamic”, Bilbao said.

However, “beyond ALBA’s response, is the response of the people [of Latin America]. A people that today is advancing slowly towards an anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist perspective.”

In a context of regional war, “revolutionary armed forces will reappear across all of Latin America, guerilla forces will reappear, as will clandestine and violent forms of combat. If all other channels are closed off, there is no doubt this is how the people will respond.”

Asked whether Obama reflects a change in US government policy or, at least, a difference with the position of former president George Bush, Bilbao said that “without a doubt Obama is not Bush, in many ways”.

Similarly, “without a doubt, and this is very important factor, there is something new in the world political panorama — the US imperialist bourgeoisie is divided”.

“Without a doubt, there are different lines of action proposed regarding the current situation.”

However, “without a doubt, Obama is the president of that empire and whether they — the secretary of defense, the secretary of state, the terrorist groups encrusted in the state department and the defense department — carried this out with or without his full knowledge, the phenomenon is the same.

“The only thing in doubt is whether Obama will accompany this plan to the end.”

In Bilbao’s view, an evaluation of the first few months of the Obama government make clear that he “has not consistently defended any of the promises he made”.

Moreover, Obama finds himself in a situation that is “seemly reaching its limits”. He noted how only a few days ago, Obama was forced to reschedule a televised speech on his proposed health program after the CBS network refused to grant him its prime time 9pm slot — sticking to its scheduled programming of a well-known pop singer.

This clearly demonstrated the “political weakness of the government”, Bilbao said. This weakness “is leading to a fracturing of the US imperialist bourgeoisie”.

“We can not ignore this fact, but neither should we ignore the result of this complex relationship of forces: the coup in Honduras; the installation of bases on the border with Venezuela; the provocation launched in Colombia [with allegations about the supposed arming of the FARC with Venezuelan rifles]; and the destabilisation policy that the US embassy is carrying out in Paraguay to bring down President Lugo.

“The only doubt today is whether they want us to pay right now or not, and on that point there are undoubtedly many positions within the US ruling clique. Which one will win out is something that can not be determined now.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

1:10 pm
August 2, 2009


MariannaB

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Thank you, reflection. Seems to be some sort of propaganda. Just wonder why the search found this text. Let's drop on that.

1:18 pm
August 2, 2009


MariannaB

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I believe that this http://www.was-die-welt-bewegt.de site is not serious enough. It's the wordings in German and the content as such. IMO they were just looking for popular metatags and key words in their text in order to get high in google ranking. They filled insurance, money and investment as well als MJ in their site. No meaning behind.

1:47 pm
August 2, 2009


Damion

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MariannaB said:

I believe that this http://www.was-die-welt-bewegt.de site is not serious enough. It's the wordings in German and the content as such. IMO they were just looking for popular metatags and key words in their text in order to get high in google ranking. They filled insurance, money and investment as well als MJ in their site. No meaning behind.


You're right, MarianneB. I did some research (I'm fluent in German) and it's quite obvious that this website is the “one-man-show” of a “whistle blower” who targets all kinds of stuff, not just MJ. People were getting fed up of him and authorities got involved and he had to take lots of articles down, not just the MJ ones. I'd assume he got a few “cease and desist” letters by snail mail. Just another “attention sucker” IMO.

3:48 pm
August 2, 2009


belinda

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Hello
I have this website, the move-the-welt.de
read last week – these men were
perhaps very close to mj. The news will be
Now deleted – this reporter rely
a reliable informant – at the airport in Germany, they were arrested – I
knows where they came from – from    paragay 
sorry my englisch
I'm still in the German forum    

5:34 pm
August 2, 2009


belinda

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Post edited 10:35 am – August 3, 2009 by belinda


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what is this?

I do not understand?

I have found

1. just watch video
it is very dark
bright light in the background

he dances like ?????????

5:40 pm
August 2, 2009


belinda

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es geht nicht ich schreibe von hand :

im web : michael jackson in paragay ( is ok Paragay)

website search :

the heitritters in paraguay: michael jackson paraguayo videos-

joe & kendra heitritter peace corps volunteers paraguay 2009-2011 … here is michael jackson paraguay and his son at

the 4th of july party. …

6:14 pm
August 2, 2009


Hope

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I always knew I liked the Germans.

“You Must Belive Beyond What You Are Told, Never Take News As Is, And, Question Everything”

8:17 am
August 3, 2009


Reflection

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I found one of the articles from the above website still online (google cache):

http://209.85.135.132/search?q…..&gl=de

Since this one is still online, I think it may be okay to translate it…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

8:25 am
August 3, 2009


Reflection

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I found one of the articles from the above website still online (google cache):

http://209.85.135.132/search?q…..&gl=de

Since this one is still online, I think it may be okay to translate it…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

8:34 am
August 3, 2009


Reflection

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I found one of the articles from the above website still online (google cache):

http://209.85.135.132/search?q…..&gl=de

Since this one is still online, I think it may be okay to translate it…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

8:40 am
August 3, 2009


Reflection

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Post edited 1:53 am – August 4, 2009 by Reflection


I found one of the articles from the above website still online (google cache):

http://209.85.135.132/search?q…..&gl=de

Since this one is still online, I think it may be okay to translate it…

Is anyone still interested in a translation of the article?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

10:20 am
August 3, 2009


shirley-grace

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Reflection said:

Post edited 1:53 am – August 4, 2009 by Reflection


I found one of the articles from the above website still online (google cache):

http://209.85.135.132/search?q…..&gl=de

Since this one is still online, I think it may be okay to translate it…

Is anyone still interested in a translation of the article?


This is page one of two. can you post the sec. page also?

12:33 pm
August 3, 2009


Sosh

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As far as I've read that article, there is not much more to find there than we covered here. It's seems like a recap to me.


But I've been thinking about sites like this and that German site. Could it be only a decoy for hoax-believers? They delete posts or complete articles that cover a possible hoax theory. Maybe thats to let us think we are getting closer to the truth and so distract us from the real staged death.

2:12 pm
August 3, 2009


Reflection

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Post edited 7:24 am – August 4, 2009 by Reflection


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

2:22 pm
August 3, 2009


Reflection

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shirley-grace said:

Reflection said:

Post edited 1:53 am – August 4, 2009 by Reflection


I found one of the articles from the above website still online (google cache):

http://209.85.135.132/search?q…..&gl=de

Since this one is still online, I think it may be okay to translate it…

Is anyone still interested in a translation of the article?


This is page one of two. can you post the sec. page also?


I was in a hurry earlier and didn't notice this. Thanks for pointing it out. I haven't been able to access the cached version of page 2 yet (is there a trick I don't know about?) but I found two of their other articles:

http://209.85.129.132/search?q…..&gl=de

http://209.85.135.132/search?q…..&gl=de

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

2:28 pm
August 3, 2009


Reflection

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Sosh said:

As far as I've read that article, there is not much more to find there than we covered here. It's seems like a recap to me.


But I've been thinking about sites like this and that German site. Could it be only a decoy for hoax-believers? They delete posts or complete articles that cover a possible hoax theory. Maybe thats to let us think we are getting closer to the truth and so distract us from the real staged death.


I agree with you, Sosh. All the 'essential' information is already mentioned in this thread.

It's funny you should mention a decoy. I have also been thinking about this. What if many different plausible theories are put forward just to distract us from the real picture? It could be like those elephants on their way to Staples the day of the memorial. It seems that many people did not notice them, even though they actually WALKED through the city on July 7th. Quite odd if you ask me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzA67v3hj04

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