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Why Are So Many People Posting they Don’t believe the Hoax?

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2:59 pm
July 27, 2009


mjfan

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All of a sudden, people are coming out of the woodwork with these long drawn out posts explaining why they don't think this is a hoax, they think it's self-evident that MJ died, and they think everyone here is in denial.


Well who are these people?  Do they have a vested interest in you not believing in a hoax?  I am completely “agnostic” on this whole thing.  I do not KNOW if MJ is dead or not.  To me way too much shit is in the air.  And despite mention of ALL THESE OFFICIAL AGENCIES being involved in things… well if MJ was in protective custody… this would happen anyway.


There are many different explanations for much of this.  We all have a specific standard of evidence we will accept to say definitely MJ is dead.  But why all of a sudden when MJHD has started to get a lot of media attention, do we have so many people posting their theories on why it's not a hoax, like they want to convert everybody else here to their view?


I'm all for the open exchange of ideas, but a few of these posts seem a little bit heavy-handed, and it makes me wonder WHO is making these types of posts.  Do they just want to shut people up, get them to stop speculating? Get everybody to go home?


Whether or not people believe MJ is alive, what harm does that do ANYONE?  How harmful can it really be for someone to believe MJ is alive whether it's true or not?


I just wonder why suddenly so many people are openly making posts about how they no longer believe this is a hoax.  Well did these people EVER believe it was a hoax?  Who ARE these people?


Just saying. 


Also, if someone's mind is totally made up, why are they even here?  This site is about asking questions and seeking answers, not about picking a belief and then trying to convert everybody else to your view.

3:01 pm
July 27, 2009


Anna.K

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THANK YOU Really, great post – I agree with you

“With such confusions, don’t it make you wanna scream ?”

3:04 pm
July 27, 2009


NoHype

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MJFan,

You took EVERY single word right of my mouth.

3:04 pm
July 27, 2009


ishealive

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Well said!

If they don't like our theories or views then they know where the door is!

3:05 pm
July 27, 2009


mo2kidzs

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Second that!

The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. - Eleanor Roosevelt

3:05 pm
July 27, 2009


Annieisnotokey

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Couldn't agree with you more.

The beauty of conspiracy theories is that the more they try to talk you out of it, the more they reinforce the idea of conspiracy.

3:06 pm
July 27, 2009


emo_pinkt

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I agree with you but Now I've lost all hope..I believe that he's dead…Im trying hard to convince myself. Im trying not to question anything anymore

***RIP Michael Jackson**

3:07 pm
July 27, 2009


pumpkin

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Hallelujah cousin, I keep saying the exact thing but everyone keeps going on about he is dead but he was great and we have his music – shit I don't want just his music because when you are dead you are dead – no matter what anyone says about spirits and he will be happy where he is and all that bullshit.  I want Michael to be alive I don't just want his legacy, I doubt very much if he were dead he would really give a monkeys because like I just said when you are dead – you don't know anything so all the crap about him being great and posthumous awards DON'T MATTER TO MICHAEL IF HE WERE DEAD – don't most of you see that, for God's sake give me a break and go post somewhere else.

3:07 pm
July 27, 2009


Invincible

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Nice post, mjfan.

3:08 pm
July 27, 2009


mjfan

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Post edited 8:09 am – July 28, 2009 by mjfan


emo_pinkt said:

I agree with you but Now I've lost all hope..I believe that he's dead…Im trying hard to convince myself. Im trying not to question anything anymore


LOL I have a specific list of requirements that have to be met before I believe MJ is dead.  OR, if he doesn't pop back up by next June 25th I'll accept he's dead.  I dont' “believe he's alive” right now but I'm totally agnostic on the topic.   Either MJ isn't really dead or this is truly the sloppiest and most stupid investigation ever.  And I have NO faith in our law enforcement officials.


I mean seriously, this investigation with all these different agencies is like watching someone try to herd cats.

3:09 pm
July 27, 2009


mir26

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very well said and I agree fully with you.

dont believe everything you see or read

3:09 pm
July 27, 2009


Engel

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me too

Smile, though your heart is aching Smile, even though it’s breaking When there are clouds in the sky You’ll get by…

3:10 pm
July 27, 2009


Rachel

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Thank you for posting mjfan! I think you just conveyed every single believers thoughts in your post!

I honestly don't why people are posting such things. Maybe it's because they crave the attention, want to poke fun at us or maybe it's because people simply don't know to form an opinion and that they are constantly right!

I know it's hard to ignore them, especially when some people are being rude but it's probably the best thing we can do and hopefully the trolls will dissapear!

It don’t matter if you’re black or white www.twitter.com/DH_Fanatic

3:10 pm
July 27, 2009


mjfan

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pumpkin said:

Hallelujah cousin, I keep saying the exact thing but everyone keeps going on about he is dead but he was great and we have his music – shit I don't want just his music because when you are dead you are dead – no matter what anyone says about spirits and he will be happy where he is and all that bullshit.  I want Michael to be alive I don't just want his legacy, I doubt very much if he were dead he would really give a monkeys because like I just said when you are dead – you don't know anything so all the crap about him being great and posthumous awards DON'T MATTER TO MICHAEL IF HE WERE DEAD – don't most of you see that, for God's sake give me a break and go post somewhere else.


I don't know.  I believe in an afterlife, so if MJ was dead I don't believe he wouldn't know anything.  I think if he's dead he's very much aware of a lot of what's going on.  My personal opinion.

3:13 pm
July 27, 2009


pumpkin

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Maybe so but I am sure he would rather be here on this side, who wants to be thought of as great when they are dead, what's the point

3:19 pm
July 27, 2009


Morgana

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mjfan said:

All of a sudden, people are coming out of the woodwork with these long drawn out posts explaining why they don't think this is a hoax, they think it's self-evident that MJ died, and they think everyone here is in denial.


Well who are these people?  Do they have a vested interest in you not believing in a hoax?  I am completely “agnostic” on this whole thing.  I do not KNOW if MJ is dead or not.  To me way too much shit is in the air.  And despite mention of ALL THESE OFFICIAL AGENCIES being involved in things… well if MJ was in protective custody… this would happen anyway.


There are many different explanations for much of this.  We all have a specific standard of evidence we will accept to say definitely MJ is dead.  But why all of a sudden when MJHD has started to get a lot of media attention, do we have so many people posting their theories on why it's not a hoax, like they want to convert everybody else here to their view?


I'm all for the open exchange of ideas, but a few of these posts seem a little bit heavy-handed, and it makes me wonder WHO is making these types of posts.  Do they just want to shut people up, get them to stop speculating? Get everybody to go home?


Whether or not people believe MJ is alive, what harm does that do ANYONE?  How harmful can it really be for someone to believe MJ is alive whether it's true or not?


I just wonder why suddenly so many people are openly making posts about how they no longer believe this is a hoax.  Well did these people EVER believe it was a hoax?  Who ARE these people?


Just saying. 


Also, if someone's mind is totally made up, why are they even here?  This site is about asking questions and seeking answers, not about picking a belief and then trying to convert everybody else to your view.


mjfan you have made a good point!  Let's face it, if all the press know about us and are now reporting about us (re another thread with link), it stands to reason that they will be all over this site as guests, some may even be here as members.

I don't know if we will ever know this for sure or not, but it does make sense.

I wonder if Admin has any idea on that…..

3:22 pm
July 27, 2009


jewell

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Post edited 8:26 am – July 28, 2009 by jewell



 I appreciate you feeling that way, i really do…


  I have been here since day one convinced he was alive…
  I really thought he would jump out of his coffin…
  but to much time has passed and I am now leaning towards that he has passed on,
  but i strongly believe that there is something strange about the
  circumstances surrounding his death…
  should i  not be here ? maybe not….
  But i will stay for a while and take part in some discussions…
  I try to always be polite and to respect others and their different opinions…
 
 I also enjoy being the “devils advocate”
 and any good investigator does this as they solve murders….
 you have to brainstorm in able to figure out the mystery.
  I am not out to change anybody's mind or take away their hope.

I think the problem that some of us have is not that you believe that he is alive…
But it is that we see some chasing impersonators and mj's relatives and others  all over the internet
and afraid for their lives… and thinking people are watching them … etc…
So i think that many of us comment on those posts because they are so crazy and ridiculous.

I would love for all of you believers to prove us wrong and him make a comeback, i really would!

To find the truth… I like to play Devil’s Advocate… Please don’t let that upset you!

3:26 pm
July 27, 2009


mjfan

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jewell said:


  I appreciate you feeling that way, i really do…


  I have been here since day one convinced he was alive…
  I really thought he would jump out of his coffin…
  but to much time has passed and I am now leaning towards that he has passed on,
  but i strongly believe that there is something strange about the
  circumstances surrounding his death…
  should i  not be here ? maybe not….
  But i will stay for a while and take part in some discussions…
  I try to always be polite and to respect others and their different opinions…
 
 I also enjoy being the “devils advocate”
 and any good investigator does this as they solve murders….
 you have to brainstorm in able to figure out the mystery.

I think the problem that some of us have is not that you believe that he is alive…
But it is that we see some chasing impersonators and mj's relatives and others  all over the internet
and afraid for their lives… and thinking people are watching them … etc…
So i think that many of us comment on those posts because they are so crazy and ridiculous.

I would love for all of you believers to prove us wrong and him make a comeback, i really would!

Jewell, I don't consider myself a believer.  I am totally agnostic on this until I have enough evidence either way.


And I wasn't talking about you. You contribute heavily to the conversations here, and if MJ is dead there is still a lot of strange stuff that we need smart people like you to help us figure out and discuss.  I'm saying these people who out of the blue haven't posted very much, then they decide to post a message about how they believe MJ is alive and blah blah blah, like they want to convert us.  It's fishy to me. 


And I don't personally think too much time has passed, and that may  be because of the theories I'm entertaining as possible, one of them is that MJ is in protective custody.  If that turns out to be so, it will not be revealed until everything is figured out and it is SAFE for him to come back out.

3:29 pm
July 27, 2009


Puzzled

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My first post.


To put my cards on the table – I'm not a believer as such, but what I do know is that I've got a gut feeling that something about this ain't right.  I've read pretty much everything I can since the news broke.  I was an MJ fan in the sense that I saw him perform twice over here in the UK, once with the Jackson 5 and once on the Bad Tour, and always rated him.  I lapsed a bit after that (and am gutted actually because I bought Invincible after he died, and I think it's a tremendous album). Can't think how I ever missed it when it was released in 2001.  When all the weird stuff started coming out in the press I didn't know what the hell to think and didn't really have any strong views one way or the other.  Since his death I've spent hours and hours reading trial transcripts, obscure articles, for, against, all sorts and am now absolutely convinced of his innocence, and also that Michael Jackson was no weirdo, but a decent kindhearted man who was obliged to lead an extraordinary life. 

Reading all the stuff on this site with a healthy degree of scepticism, the thing that really got me is when someone posted about how all the news reports and statements from those that knew sounded him were describing two or more different people.  That's exactly how I was feeling!!  Is this the same Michael Jackson they're talking about?  One minute he's fit, well, fine and happy … the next person's saying he couldn't walk, talk, think and was doped up to the eyeballs. Then you get morgue reports saying he's a bald, frail old man with no nose, and you see a picture of a nice looking guy with hair (fake or not) and a nose lying there.  How many 50 year olds look that good when they are supposed to be dying, or dead? 

Also in the recent appearances of him I think he looks great. Looked wonderful at the O2 press conference, the nose was sorted, skin colour good, no red lipstick, no nothing.  He looked mighty fine to me and a hell of a lot better than he looked 5 years ago.  Then one brother or sister says this, another says that.  One says they all knew he was on drugs, another says he wasn't on drugs.  It's crazy.

What's struck me is the ones who are saying he was fine, fit, in good shape, happy etc seem by far the most credible.  Why would someone like Lou Ferrigno lie?  or Mark Lester – a lovely bloke who has been a lifelong friend to Michael and always been incredibly discreet and gentle. They've got nothing to gain from lying?  And all the stuff about him being skeleton thin. Huh?  Check out the vids for the past 30 years.  MJ was always like that.  He didn't look no thinner to me.

So I'm not saying I believe it's a fake, and I must be honest and say that some of the 'evidence' I've read in support of this theory is tenuous to say the least. But I do have a gut feeling that something here isn't right.  So much just doesn't add up.

So treat me kindly please.  I might not always agree with you, but I am puzzled enough to want to find out more. 

3:30 pm
July 27, 2009


Nobody

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Well, I never accused anyone of being in denial, nor did I say I had any proof he was dead.  I merely stated why I thought he was really dead and gave a few supporting reasons.  I think people should believe what they want to believe. 

3:30 pm
July 27, 2009


mjj29081958

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NoHype said:

MJFan,

You took EVERY single word right of my mouth.


I was thinking exactly the same!!

…It’s slander, with the words you use, you’re a parasite in black and white, do anything for news…

3:33 pm
July 27, 2009


jewell

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Puzzled said:

My first post.


To put my cards on the table – I'm not a believer as such, but what I do know is that I've got a gut feeling that something about this ain't right.  I've read pretty much everything I can since the news broke.  I was an MJ fan in the sense that I saw him perform twice over here in the UK, once with the Jackson 5 and once on the Bad Tour, and always rated him.  I lapsed a bit after that (and am gutted actually because I bought Invincible after he died, and I think it's a tremendous album). Can't think how I ever missed it when it was released in 2001.  When all the weird stuff started coming out in the press I didn't know what the hell to think and didn't really have any strong views one way or the other.  Since his death I've spent hours and hours reading trial transcripts, obscure articles, for, against, all sorts and am now absolutely convinced of his innocence, and also that Michael Jackson was no weirdo, but a decent kindhearted man who was obliged to lead an extraordinary life. 

Reading all the stuff on this site with a healthy degree of scepticism, the thing that really got me is when someone posted about how all the news reports and statements from those that knew sounded him were describing two or more different people.  That's exactly how I was feeling!!  Is this the same Michael Jackson they're talking about?  One minute he's fit, well, fine and happy … the next person's saying he couldn't walk, talk, think and was doped up to the eyeballs. Then you get morgue reports saying he's a bald, frail old man with no nose, and you see a picture of a nice looking guy with hair (fake or not) and a nose lying there.  How many 50 year olds look that good when they are supposed to be dying, or dead? 

Also in the recent appearances of him I think he looks great. Looked wonderful at the O2 press conference, the nose was sorted, skin colour good, no red lipstick, no nothing.  He looked mighty fine to me and a hell of a lot better than he looked 5 years ago.  Then one brother or sister says this, another says that.  One says they all knew he was on drugs, another says he wasn't on drugs.  It's crazy.

What's struck me is the ones who are saying he was fine, fit, in good shape, happy etc seem by far the most credible.  Why would someone like Lou Ferrigno lie?  or Mark Lester – a lovely bloke who has been a lifelong friend to Michael and always been incredibly discreet and gentle. They've got nothing to gain from lying?  And all the stuff about him being skeleton thin. Huh?  Check out the vids for the past 30 years.  MJ was always like that.  He didn't look no thinner to me.

So I'm not saying I believe it's a fake, and I must be honest and say that some of the 'evidence' I've read in support of this theory is tenuous to say the least. But I do have a gut feeling that something here isn't right.  So much just doesn't add up.

So treat me kindly please.  I might not always agree with you, but I am puzzled enough to want to find out more. 


Hi Puzzles…

Welcome!

What an excellent post!

I look forward to reading more from you.

To find the truth… I like to play Devil’s Advocate… Please don’t let that upset you!

3:39 pm
July 27, 2009


emo_pinkt

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jewell said:

Post edited 3:26 pm – July 27, 2009 by jewell



I think the problem that some of us have is not that you believe that he is alive…
But it is that we see some chasing impersonators and mj's relatives and others  all over the internet
and afraid for their lives… and thinking people are watching them … etc…
So i think that many of us comment on those posts because they are so crazy and ridiculous.

I agree whoheartedly with this. Its not acceptable under any circumstance BUT are everyone all over the internet afraid for their lives because of this site? On the other hand I feel that people are watching this site look at thenumber of people that have registered but never actually post anything. Makes me uneasy too.

***RIP Michael Jackson**

3:39 pm
July 27, 2009


emo_pinkt

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Post edited 8:39 am – July 28, 2009 by emo_pinkt


Double post

***RIP Michael Jackson**

3:42 pm
July 27, 2009


anonymous observer

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Post edited 8:46 am – July 28, 2009 by mysterious


I'm about 90% certain that it isn't a hoax. I'm here because of the other 10%, where I'm “on the fence”, and looking for information that would either make me 100% “on the fence”, or 100% certain that it isn't a hoax.


The only reason that I'm 10% “on the fence”, is soley because of the eye-witness accounts of people who've seen him alive after 6-25-2009. However, Jermaine has clearly stated that he's dead, and he is one of the closest sources you can get to MJ. I don't believe the media nor the tabloids (as they're clearly dishonest and don't know what they're talking about), but I'm inclined to believe MJ's own brother Jermaine. That's why I'm 90% certain that MJ is really dead.


To me, MJ was my favorite musician and entertainer, as I thoroughly enjoyed his songs and music videos, and I was hoping he would make more.

3:50 pm
July 27, 2009


mjfan

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Post edited 8:54 am – July 28, 2009 by mjfan


Puzzled said:

My first post.


To put my cards on the table – I'm not a believer as such, but what I do know is that I've got a gut feeling that something about this ain't right.  I've read pretty much everything I can since the news broke.  I was an MJ fan in the sense that I saw him perform twice over here in the UK, once with the Jackson 5 and once on the Bad Tour, and always rated him.  I lapsed a bit after that (and am gutted actually because I bought Invincible after he died, and I think it's a tremendous album). Can't think how I ever missed it when it was released in 2001.  When all the weird stuff started coming out in the press I didn't know what the hell to think and didn't really have any strong views one way or the other.  Since his death I've spent hours and hours reading trial transcripts, obscure articles, for, against, all sorts and am now absolutely convinced of his innocence, and also that Michael Jackson was no weirdo, but a decent kindhearted man who was obliged to lead an extraordinary life. 

Reading all the stuff on this site with a healthy degree of scepticism, the thing that really got me is when someone posted about how all the news reports and statements from those that knew sounded him were describing two or more different people.  That's exactly how I was feeling!!  Is this the same Michael Jackson they're talking about?  One minute he's fit, well, fine and happy … the next person's saying he couldn't walk, talk, think and was doped up to the eyeballs. Then you get morgue reports saying he's a bald, frail old man with no nose, and you see a picture of a nice looking guy with hair (fake or not) and a nose lying there.  How many 50 year olds look that good when they are supposed to be dying, or dead? 

Also in the recent appearances of him I think he looks great. Looked wonderful at the O2 press conference, the nose was sorted, skin colour good, no red lipstick, no nothing.  He looked mighty fine to me and a hell of a lot better than he looked 5 years ago.  Then one brother or sister says this, another says that.  One says they all knew he was on drugs, another says he wasn't on drugs.  It's crazy.

What's struck me is the ones who are saying he was fine, fit, in good shape, happy etc seem by far the most credible.  Why would someone like Lou Ferrigno lie?  or Mark Lester – a lovely bloke who has been a lifelong friend to Michael and always been incredibly discreet and gentle. They've got nothing to gain from lying?  And all the stuff about him being skeleton thin. Huh?  Check out the vids for the past 30 years.  MJ was always like that.  He didn't look no thinner to me.

So I'm not saying I believe it's a fake, and I must be honest and say that some of the 'evidence' I've read in support of this theory is tenuous to say the least. But I do have a gut feeling that something here isn't right.  So much just doesn't add up.

So treat me kindly please.  I might not always agree with you, but I am puzzled enough to want to find out more. 


What's been on MY mind lately is… why are people only reporting the side of things that fits their view while ignoring that there are contradictory stories?  Case in point, some said MJ was afraid for his life.  And yet I'm supposed to believe a man scared for his life is letting someone shoot Diprivan into his veins? Seriously?

And you can't get REST from Diprivan, you don't go into REM.  If this nurse/nutritionist is telling the truth then why isn't she smart enough to have told MJ that Diprivan would not give him the sleep/rest he was looking for?

And MJ is calling this woman up after he hasn't spoken to her in 3 months and he has a full time doc?  HUH?


yet people are going “la dee dah” like this all makes sense.  People who are reserving judgment aren't lunatics.


I will say this… when I first got here, I was 100% sure that MJ had died and thought that people here were nuttier than fruit bats.  But… now I am agnostic.  Too much shit doesn't add up.  It doesn't mean MJ is alive.  Maybe he was murdered.  Maybe LAPD is just incompetent.  Maybe his family is a bunch of nutters.  Who knows?  But things don't add up one way or the other.

3:50 pm
July 27, 2009


mjfan

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Nobody said:

Well, I never accused anyone of being in denial, nor did I say I had any proof he was dead.  I merely stated why I thought he was really dead and gave a few supporting reasons.  I think people should believe what they want to believe. 


And you aren't the only person who has made a big post about this.  Some HAVE stated members of this forum are in denial.

4:32 pm
July 27, 2009


TinkerBell

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Puzzled said:

My first post.


To put my cards on the table – I'm not a believer as such, but what I do know is that I've got a gut feeling that something about this ain't right.  I've read pretty much everything I can since the news broke.  I was an MJ fan in the sense that I saw him perform twice over here in the UK, once with the Jackson 5 and once on the Bad Tour, and always rated him.  I lapsed a bit after that (and am gutted actually because I bought Invincible after he died, and I think it's a tremendous album). Can't think how I ever missed it when it was released in 2001.  When all the weird stuff started coming out in the press I didn't know what the hell to think and didn't really have any strong views one way or the other.  Since his death I've spent hours and hours reading trial transcripts, obscure articles, for, against, all sorts and am now absolutely convinced of his innocence, and also that Michael Jackson was no weirdo, but a decent kindhearted man who was obliged to lead an extraordinary life. 

Reading all the stuff on this site with a healthy degree of scepticism, the thing that really got me is when someone posted about how all the news reports and statements from those that knew sounded him were describing two or more different people.  That's exactly how I was feeling!!  Is this the same Michael Jackson they're talking about?  One minute he's fit, well, fine and happy … the next person's saying he couldn't walk, talk, think and was doped up to the eyeballs. Then you get morgue reports saying he's a bald, frail old man with no nose, and you see a picture of a nice looking guy with hair (fake or not) and a nose lying there.  How many 50 year olds look that good when they are supposed to be dying, or dead? 

Also in the recent appearances of him I think he looks great. Looked wonderful at the O2 press conference, the nose was sorted, skin colour good, no red lipstick, no nothing.  He looked mighty fine to me and a hell of a lot better than he looked 5 years ago.  Then one brother or sister says this, another says that.  One says they all knew he was on drugs, another says he wasn't on drugs.  It's crazy.

What's struck me is the ones who are saying he was fine, fit, in good shape, happy etc seem by far the most credible.  Why would someone like Lou Ferrigno lie?  or Mark Lester – a lovely bloke who has been a lifelong friend to Michael and always been incredibly discreet and gentle. They've got nothing to gain from lying?  And all the stuff about him being skeleton thin. Huh?  Check out the vids for the past 30 years.  MJ was always like that.  He didn't look no thinner to me.

So I'm not saying I believe it's a fake, and I must be honest and say that some of the 'evidence' I've read in support of this theory is tenuous to say the least. But I do have a gut feeling that something here isn't right.  So much just doesn't add up.

So treat me kindly please.  I might not always agree with you, but I am puzzled enough to want to find out more. 


I totally agree with you! Excellent post!

“In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.”-MJ

4:59 pm
July 27, 2009


Morgana

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Puzzled said:

My first post.


To put my cards on the table – I'm not a believer as such, but what I do know is that I've got a gut feeling that something about this ain't right.  I've read pretty much everything I can since the news broke.  I was an MJ fan in the sense that I saw him perform twice over here in the UK, once with the Jackson 5 and once on the Bad Tour, and always rated him.  I lapsed a bit after that (and am gutted actually because I bought Invincible after he died, and I think it's a tremendous album). Can't think how I ever missed it when it was released in 2001.  When all the weird stuff started coming out in the press I didn't know what the hell to think and didn't really have any strong views one way or the other.  Since his death I've spent hours and hours reading trial transcripts, obscure articles, for, against, all sorts and am now absolutely convinced of his innocence, and also that Michael Jackson was no weirdo, but a decent kindhearted man who was obliged to lead an extraordinary life. 

Reading all the stuff on this site with a healthy degree of scepticism, the thing that really got me is when someone posted about how all the news reports and statements from those that knew sounded him were describing two or more different people.  That's exactly how I was feeling!!  Is this the same Michael Jackson they're talking about?  One minute he's fit, well, fine and happy … the next person's saying he couldn't walk, talk, think and was doped up to the eyeballs. Then you get morgue reports saying he's a bald, frail old man with no nose, and you see a picture of a nice looking guy with hair (fake or not) and a nose lying there.  How many 50 year olds look that good when they are supposed to be dying, or dead? 

Also in the recent appearances of him I think he looks great. Looked wonderful at the O2 press conference, the nose was sorted, skin colour good, no red lipstick, no nothing.  He looked mighty fine to me and a hell of a lot better than he looked 5 years ago.  Then one brother or sister says this, another says that.  One says they all knew he was on drugs, another says he wasn't on drugs.  It's crazy.

What's struck me is the ones who are saying he was fine, fit, in good shape, happy etc seem by far the most credible.  Why would someone like Lou Ferrigno lie?  or Mark Lester – a lovely bloke who has been a lifelong friend to Michael and always been incredibly discreet and gentle. They've got nothing to gain from lying?  And all the stuff about him being skeleton thin. Huh?  Check out the vids for the past 30 years.  MJ was always like that.  He didn't look no thinner to me.

So I'm not saying I believe it's a fake, and I must be honest and say that some of the 'evidence' I've read in support of this theory is tenuous to say the least. But I do have a gut feeling that something here isn't right.  So much just doesn't add up.

So treat me kindly please.  I might not always agree with you, but I am puzzled enough to want to find out more. 


Puzzled, you are so very welcome here!

I'm alway pleased when I hear someone say that they don't believe he is alive but that they know things are not right and want to learn more.  It reinforces my belief that even though I lean toward the “he is alive” theory, I am actually seeing something that really is wrong about all this. And that it's not just my emotions etc getting in the way.

So, you can feel something is wrong too, yeah?

It doesn't matter what angle either of us are working from, it's the common goal to get to the truth, and bracing ourselves to whatever that truth may be…..

You have not come on here, ripped us apart, then gone off again.

I liked your post very much, and I really do look forward to hearing more from you!

5:03 pm
July 27, 2009


Morgana

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Well, I never accused anyone of being in denial, nor did I say I had any proof he was dead.  I merely stated why I thought he was really dead and gave a few supporting reasons.  I think people should believe what they want to believe. 


Then start up your OWN website, and spread your OWN beliefs. 

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