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6:41 pm August 2, 2009
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Post edited 4:16 pm – August 3, 2009 by sunnyscrapper
That News of the World photo was clearly staged but was it sold to them as just another example of the media who will print anything given to them.
I believe there are things in that photo that are very odd and are therefore clues telling us that Michael staged this whole event.
I wanted to summarise all the posts I have made on this with a couple of other observations:
Warning : These theories involve PT Barnum who was Michael's inspiration. If you don't support the other PT Barnmum links then this is not the post for you. Some of the links may seem tenuous but maybe we need to think laterally.
The links to the threads are shown if you want to follow it up further.
I am convinced that this whole event has been planned and that Michael wants us to work it out. This picture is just part of the puzzle we need to solve!
1. The Fiji Mineral water (why this brand? - PT Barnum Fiji Mermaid)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..mp;ret=all
2. The unopened toothpaste – PT Barnum advertising claims and Pepsodent toothpaste advertising
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..mp;ret=all
3. Porcelain doll – Jenny Lind (singer who Barnum promoted heavily through merchandising including porcelain dolls)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..mp;ret=all
4. Orange juice – PT Barnum Speculation in Oranges
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..mp;ret=all
5. The Middle Eastern Prayer Beads/Turkish Rug and the Cushion
The middle eastern link is to a house. PT Barnmum built 4 homes, the main one was a Moorish revival mansion which was his 'country seat'. He called it IRANISTAN. Here is a picture of it. There is more on Wikipedia about it.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qchJ…..nistan.jpg
Sadly this beautiful palace was burnt down and the fire was believed to have been started by a workman who left a lit pipe on a cushion from the circular seat in the dome.
http://www.familytreelegends.c…..p;page=267
6. The incontinence pad – Schlitzie the Pinhead
This one was a real challenge. How about this…Schlitzie the Pinhead was a sideshow performer who worked with Barnum circus amongst others. 'She' was actually a 'he' and wore a dress.
'Most sources say the choice to dress him like this was also due to his incontinence, as Schlitzie had to wear diapers and such clothing made it easier to care for him.[6]'
It does go on to say 'However, even this is debatable, as most pictures show that Schlitzie was in fact wearing pants under his dress and some who knew him have said that he didn't develop incontinence until later in life[3].' Make of this what you will…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlitzie
7. The Tourniquet – link to The Residents
'The Residents are an American avant-garde music and visual arts group. They have created over sixty albums, created numerous musical short films, designed three CD-ROM projects and ten DVDs, and undertaken seven major world tours. Throughout their career, spanning nearly four decades, they have not disclosed their identity.'
Their Freak Show CD Rom was dedicated to PT Barnum.
'The Residents' Freak Show CD-ROM transforms your computer into an amazing animated twilight zone, unlike anything you've ever experienced. Meet Tex the Barker, Herman the Human Mole, Harry the Head, Wanda the Worm Woman, Jelly Jack, Benny the Bump, and those freaks of contemporary art, The Residents. See their incredible performances and navigate through bizarre backstage worlds.
Freak Show's Big Top offers amazing spectacles, but the freaks' stranger-than-fiction stories come magically to life when you sneak behind the circus tent and into their trailers. Discover fetishes, fantasies, rituals, and tragic secrets through photos, comics, music, music videos, and animation. You can even explore the history of freaks. Your fascination with “difference” will ultimately illuminate many other paths through this theme park of the imagination. Featuring spectacular animation designed by Jim Ludtke, Freak Show is a revolutionary new audio-visual experience, envisioning the future of interactive stories, music video, and digital art. '
Tourniquet of Roses was the original title of another of their albums.
8. Oxygen Mask
There is a link to the name of a man named Barnum who patented an oxygen mask in 1911. This was clearly no link to PT Barnum himself who died in 1891 but still interesting that the name was the same.
'U.S. Pat. No. 1,000,706, issued to Barnum on Aug. 15, 1911, … provides an unsophisticated and cumbersome respirator mask which was secured by several elastic straps and covered a large area of the bearer's lower face… Barnum's mask lacked several safeguards necessary for use in a clinical hospital setting'
Add all this to the other PT Barnum references like:
TMZ acting as the 'brickman' (see post relating to this)
Joice Seth – Barnum's claim that the autopsy for this woman was done on the wrong body (?)
Ringling Barnum Circus just happened to be arriving in LA on the day of Michael's funeral.
Also the similarity between the way he 'died' and that of Barnum:
One of the requests made by Mr. Barnum was that, when all hope was gone, sedatives which would make his passage to the next world more peaceful be administered. About 4 o'clock this morning the veteran showman spoke his last words. He was asked if he wished a drink of water, and answered, “Yes.” Soon after he sank into a lethargy. It was difficult to arouse him from this state, and on opening his eyes a faint gleam of recognition alone indicated that he had knowledge of his surroundings, or knew those about him. All day long Mr. Barnum lay in a semi-unconscious state. About 10 o'clock the first sedative was administered, and repeated several times during the day.
I think someone must be having a joke at our expense!
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6:47 pm August 2, 2009
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Post edited 11:50 am – August 3, 2009 by MJ_fan_for_40_yrs
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6:51 pm August 2, 2009
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Everything adds to Michael's “Planned” Bedroom “Murder” and Such … He really did admire P.T. Barnum.
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6:51 pm August 2, 2009
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What great observations!! I for one am a huge fan of the PT Barnum theory. Michael is very capable of pulling off something to this extent. Some of the similarities between him and Barnum are quite amazing.
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6:55 pm August 2, 2009
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Post edited 11:56 am – August 3, 2009 by MyBelovedMJ
sunnyscrapper said:
Post edited 11:46 am – August 3, 2009 by sunnyscrapper
That News of the World photo was clearly staged but was it sold to them as just another example of the media who will print anything given to them.
I believe there are things in that photo that are very odd and are therefore clues telling us that Michael staged this whole event.
I wanted to summarise all the posts I have made on this with one more observation.
Warning : These theories involve PT Barnum who was Michael's inspiration. If you don't support the other PT Barnmum links then this is not the post for you.
The links to the threads are shown if you want to follow it up further.
I am convinced that this whole event has been planned and that Michael wants us to work it out. This picture is just part of the puzzle we need to solve!
1. The Fiji Mineral water (why this brand? - PT Barnum Fiji Mermaid)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..mp;ret=all
2. The unopened toothpaste – PT Barnum advertising claims and Pepsodent toothpaste advertising
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..mp;ret=all
3. Porcelain doll – Jenny Lind (singer who Barnum promoted heavily through merchandising including porcelain dolls)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..mp;ret=all
4. Orange juice – PT Barnum Speculation in Oranges
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..mp;ret=all
5. The Middle Eastern Prayer Beads/Turkish Rug and the Cushion
The middle eastern link is to a house. PT Barnmum built 4 homes, the main one was a Moorish revival mansion which was his 'country seat'. He called it IRANISTAN. Here is a picture of it. There is more on Wikipedia about it.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qchJ…..nistan.jpg
Sadly this beautiful palace was burnt down and the fire was believed to have been started by a workman who left a lit pipe on a cushion from the circular seat in the dome.
http://www.familytreelegends.c…..p;page=267
Add all this to the other PT Barnum references like:
TMZ acting as the 'brickman' (see post relating to this)
Joice Seth – Barnum's claim that the autopsy for this woman was done on the wrong body (?)
Ringling Barnum Circus just happened to be arriving in LA on the day of Michael's funeral.
I think someone must be having a joke at our expense!
I wanna know why the hell there was a toothpaste on his bed. I found that strange. It was not smashed or anything.. What were they doing with that??
I dont know, mabye its just me. I was just wonderng
LOL
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6:58 pm August 2, 2009
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MyBelovedMJ said:
Post edited 11:56 am – August 3, 2009 by MyBelovedMJ
I wanna know why the hell there was a toothpaste on his bed. I found that strange. It was not smashed or anything.. What were they doing with that??
I dont know, mabye its just me. I was just wonderng
LOL
Thats the point. Why would the toothpaste be there neatly on the end of the bed after Dr Murray had desperately tried to save his life? Either someone from the News of the World is messing with us or this is a genuine clue that Michael is alive and well. I am falling towards the second of those at the moment.
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7:00 pm August 2, 2009
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Brilliant bit of annalytical thinking on this.
In the same line, if a dummy used to portray MJ's body it represents the Cardiff Giant. A dummy made to look like a frail, old, sickly MJ is a fake (dummy) of a fake (the terminally ill MJ from last December) ala Barnum's Cardiff Giant!
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What do you think about that, Give.It.To.Me? |
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7:10 pm August 2, 2009
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bec said:
Brilliant bit of annalytical thinking on this.
In the same line, if a dummy used to portray MJ's body it represents the Cardiff Giant. A dummy made to look like a frail, old, sickly MJ is a fake (dummy) of a fake (the terminally ill MJ from last December) ala Barnum's Cardiff Giant!
Love that one! I was trying to see where to get the Cardiff Giant into the picture. Thank you!
PS I also like the 'This is It' versus 'What is It' link which MariannaB picked up on the 'Death Bed Scene and Another Barnum link' post.
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7:14 pm August 2, 2009
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Very interesting anaylsis of the deathbed photo. I had not done much research into the P.T. Barnum theory until now, but I think there may be something to it. If nothing else, I think it may be Michael giving us clues so we have something else to analyze
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7:19 pm August 2, 2009
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I'm wondering who on the LAPD (if it was them) would leak the photo to a tabloid??
The other potential source would be the MJ camp…
No one in the media questions who leaked the photo!
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7:28 pm August 2, 2009
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All I can say is……WOW! What an amazing post!!!
I am obviously a HUGE P.T. Barnum fan…..this is amazing!
I wish there was a way to group ALL of the Barnum theoies together……I REALLY think you have discovered something here
I posted on my theory about a dummy being used in the “Full Ambulance Pic” thread….
I am blown away by your observations!!!! Thank You!
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“…they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” (II Timothy 4:4).
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7:32 pm August 2, 2009
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fegemermaid said:
All I can say is……WOW! What an amazing post!!!
I am obviously a HUGE P.T. Barnum fan…..this is amazing!
I wish there was a way to group ALL of the Barnum theoies together……I REALLY think you have discovered something here
I posted on my theory about a dummy being used in the “Full Ambulance Pic” thread….
I am blown away by your observations!!!! Thank You!
Thank you for your comments!
All we can do is to question everything carefully and not just take what the media are feeding us as the truth.
I think that is what Michael is trying to tell us!!
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7:33 pm August 2, 2009
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fegemermaid said:
I posted on my theory about a dummy being used in the “Full Ambulance Pic” thread….
Would you post it again here? I can't find the thread you refer to.
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7:45 pm August 2, 2009
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Not sure if this has already been stated in other reports, but Radar Online is saying that a “family insider” supplied the pic.
http://www.radaronline.com/exc…..e-revealed
“British paper News of the World has published photos of the the final tableau in Jackson's Bel Air rental home
, allegedly taken June 26 by a family insider after the space was deemed a possible crime scene by investigators.”
Was it LaToya?
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7:52 pm August 2, 2009
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Post edited 12:54 pm – August 3, 2009 by bec
Aha, Family insider?
Actually this explains a lot. The sisters removed items including the bedding 6/26. This means the photo was taken before that time and definatly before the police sealed the scene.
This pic had to be taken on or before 6/26 and it just came out yesterday… the timing of it's release seems very deliberate to me.
Like it had to come out late, a month later. Perhaps when buzz from the memorial and ambulance pics and drug alegations started to sound like old news it was time for this pic to be released. A new thing to capture our imagination and peak our curiousity.
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7:55 pm August 2, 2009
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Post edited 12:58 pm – August 3, 2009 by yaya
wow, this is a great post. i'm gonna do a little more reading on PT barnum myself, as i've been mostly unfamiliar with him. i'll also read the other threads about him (if i can find them…). but the staged items that were pointed out in the death scene pic are really peculiar! i don't think they were just randomly left there. who leaves fresh, unopened boxes of toothpaste just laying around?
also, what's up with the bed? a person of michael's standards of living doesn't sleep on just mattresses. there's no bed frame! weird..
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8:03 pm August 2, 2009
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This is what I posted in another thread last night about the ambulance pics….I know that someone has posted a very good theory on the Ambulance pic being Photoshopped, she directed me to her post after I posted my theory on the pics. She raised very valid points about Photoshop & the ambulance pics, my theory is just different thats all
fegemermaid said:
OK….I have been SO scared to post this….but it keeps bothering me…..please don't attack & if I am WAY off base…..I'm sorry
My husband has been very understanding of my whole hoax thing…. He has even occasionally looked over my shoulder my shoulder as I am looking at video's and comparing pics & what not……
I showed him the ambulance pic just to see what he thought…..he looked at it and said, “That is fake, it looks like a dummy”. I was surprised to say the least, as he has not said much about the whole hoax thing. I posted in another thread, I am a nurse….I work for a Pulmonologist, (lung doctor), who intubates people everyday. I even showed him the pic and asked him if the intubation looked real to him….he did say, “Yes it looks like a real intubation, right equipment & so on…..put that looks like a dummy”….for the record, the doc I work for thinks I have lost it with the hoax theory……..
This has bugged me to no end….I have looked at those pics so many times…..I was watching Michael's short film “Ghost” the other day…..ok….here goes……
I have seen lots of pics of MJ and I have never noticed the vein's sticking out in his forhead like they are in the ambulance pic, even when he seemed to be “straining”, i.e. dancing, etc….If you watch the Ghost video, towards the end, when MJ looks at the group of people & says, “If you want me to go, I'll go…” he then kind of kneals down and “smashes” himself into dust in the floor, (sorry don't know how else to describe it). If you look at MJ's face while he is doing this, he is looking into the camera, and his face sort of 'crumbles' those veins are there, and it looks exactly like the “body” in the ambulance picture. I have watched it many times, and also noticed the SAME hairstyle, curly hair, sideburns, etc…during the time period when the “Ghost” video was made, CGI, (Computer generated Imaging) was not commonly used, so they may have had to make a “life-like dummy” in order to film this part of the video. If you watch the “Ghost” video, I am telling you it is EERIE….I was not watching the video looking for ANYTHING….and when I saw that part, it made me catch my breath….honestly. I even made my husband watch it.
PLEASE…..I have never been on a forum before…and was SCARED to pust this, but I just can't stop thinking about it, and when I saw another Ambulance Thread, I just thought I would post to see what others think. If I knew how to post a link to the Ghost video, I would, but I am sorry, I don't know how
Tell me what you think if anyone decides to check out the Ghost video & compare to the “MJ” in the ambulance picture….sorry this was so long…I hope it makes sense…
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“…they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” (II Timothy 4:4).
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8:07 pm August 2, 2009
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I also just posted a new thread on how Micheal was planning to re-release “Ghost” short film on HALLOWEEN, (according to an article in Rolling Stone, with Micheal on the cover, August 6, 2009 issue)
But now I can't find the thread?
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“More persons, on the whole, are humbugged by believing in nothing, than by believing too much”~P.T. BARNUM~
“…they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” (II Timothy 4:4).
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8:11 pm August 2, 2009
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Oh yes! I remember that post! I think you make a lot of sense. I've seen that scene in Ghosts you are refering to and you're right. The resemblence is uncanny even in Youtube quality.
It gave me a push in the dummy theory direction. I was torn between dummy or MJ in makeup playing dead. Actually, both could be true, the switch happening at some point using a David Blaine magic technique perhaps?
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8:12 pm August 2, 2009
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Yes, of course Barnum did have a Wax Museum as well so this links again.
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8:31 pm August 2, 2009
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I just want to say again Sunny, the way you put this all together is fantastic! I keep coming back to this thread!!
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“…they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” (II Timothy 4:4).
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9:44 pm August 2, 2009
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Post edited 4:17 pm – August 3, 2009 by sunnyscrapper
Just to say for those who are interested, I have added points 6 , 7 and 8 to my original post above.
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7:58 am August 3, 2009
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Wow! Just wow. Well done sunnyscrapper!
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8:39 am August 3, 2009
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This is amazing sunnyscrapper – because I am from Denmark I have never heard about PT Barnum – but I am really amazed about your observations – my question to this thread is “What was Michaels purpose to fake his death if he wants us to realize that he is alive ?”
I have another theory because I am trying to figure out what Michaels purpose was for faking his death.
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9:07 am August 3, 2009
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great ideas! that would explain why the body was so light (because it was dummy) when they moved it from the trolly onto the ambulance bed and why the guy was trying to shut the door to stop us seeing to much!
(this is the body going to coroner footage)
it feels like we have lots of pieces to the puzzle but are lacking the thread to put it together!
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9:20 am August 3, 2009
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http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..to-is-fake
I thought i would post my post here as well as someone mentioned my photo…..I also added on the 3rd page something even more interesting…..look closely
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9:24 am August 3, 2009
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fegemermaid said:
This is what I posted in another thread last night about the ambulance pics….I know that someone has posted a very good theory on the Ambulance pic being Photoshopped, she directed me to her post after I posted my theory on the pics. She raised very valid points about Photoshop & the ambulance pics, my theory is just different thats all
fegemermaid said:
OK….I have been SO scared to post this….but it keeps bothering me…..please don't attack & if I am WAY off base…..I'm sorry
My husband has been very understanding of my whole hoax thing…. He has even occasionally looked over my shoulder my shoulder as I am looking at video's and comparing pics & what not……
-fake showed him the ambulance pic just to see what he thought…..he looked at it and said, “That is fake, it looks like a dummy”. I was surprised to say the least, as he has not said much about the whole hoax thing. I posted in another thread, I am a nurse….I work for a Pulmonologist, (lung doctor), who intubates people everyday. I even showed him the pic and asked him if the intubation looked real to him….he did say, “Yes it looks like a real intubation, right equipment & so on…..put that looks like a dummy”….for the record, the doc I work for thinks I have lost it with the hoax theory……..
This has bugged me to no end….I have looked at those pics so many times…..I was watching Michael's short film “Ghost” the other day…..ok….here goes……
I have seen lots of pics of MJ and I have never noticed the vein's sticking out in his forhead like they are in the ambulance pic, even when he seemed to be “straining”, i.e. dancing, etc….If you watch the Ghost video, towards the end, when MJ looks at the group of people & says, “If you want me to go, I'll go…” he then kind of kneals down and “smashes” himself into dust in the floor, (sorry don't know how else to describe it). If you look at MJ's face while he is doing this, he is looking into the camera, and his face sort of 'crumbles' those veins are there, and it looks exactly like the “body” in the ambulance picture. I have watched it many times, and also noticed the SAME hairstyle, curly hair, sideburns, etc…during the time period when the “Ghost” video was made, CGI, (Computer generated Imaging) was not commonly used, so they may have had to make a “life-like dummy” in order to film this part of the video. If you watch the “Ghost” video, I am telling you it is EERIE….I was not watching the video looking for ANYTHING….and when I saw that part, it made me catch my breath….honestly. I even made my husband watch it.
PLEASE…..I have never been on a forum before…and was SCARED to pust this, but I just can't stop thinking about it, and when I saw another Ambulance Thread, I just thought I would post to see what others think. If I knew how to post a link to the Ghost video, I would, but I am sorry, I don't know how
Tell me what you think if anyone decides to check out the Ghost video & compare to the “MJ” in the ambulance picture….sorry this was so long…I hope it makes sense…
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxd…..to-is-fake
I added some more stuff page 3..its interesting
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wow! that's a great observation.. thanks for posting it… actually, that death scene picture really looked like a puzzle to me….
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But can we be sure that is really is Murry's bedroom ? Michaels bedroom is on youtube where you can see the mansion inside.
The family has not confirmed that this photo is real ? How can we find out ?
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Ghosts is one of my favourites videos, I will watch it tonight again if I can see those veins….
And the death scene… ohh Michael is frying our brains… but we will suceed I guess….
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