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I think I have solved a big part of the hoax !

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2:04 am
August 2, 2009


lets talk

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Ok here it goes….. On TV they said that the drug Proprofyl takes like 3 hours or less to be completely out of your system. Meaning it

is next to impossible to detect. On thursday the 25th the doctor ususally comes down (per news sources) around 9:30- 10:00 am.

So if the doctor administers the drug around 9:00 am and then calls the paramedics at 12:30 pm the drug is almost out of MJ's

or is completely out of his system. (note the doctor did not come down all morning)    So therefore the drug becomes untraceable 

and therefore no evidence.  That is why (I believe) that they took the brain out trying to get that perticular evidence.  Now they

cannot support the drug theory, (through forensics)  because the medicine is completely out of Mj's system,so the nexrt thing they

do is search the doctors office and home.  Because they need to find some kind of evidence for proprofyl.   That is why the doctor

kept stalling, delay after delay upon finding MJ dead, he was delaying, stalling allowing the drug to completely vanish from MJ's system.

Also when the doctor called his office and had his office manager and receptionist go and retrieve the evidence from his storage unit.  

The only problem with this scenario is the doctors admission that he was giving Mj proprofyl.  I am hoping that someone

has a idea why he supplied this information.  I am almost positive it has something to do with a legal technicality.  C”mon

my fellow MJHD'ers lets try and solve this, part of the puzzle.  Anyone, have an idea why ?


2)  If Mj was dead at the home and not the hospital, why did they say on the news he is in a coma, work on him for almost an hour

when he was already dead at home.  You will notice in the ambulance the pictures at the hospital, yes it is true they were not in any

hurry to save anyone's life.  They were looking as though they were casually comming into the hospital ER.

 So why, would they even try to save someone they already knew was dead ?  The time the news media reported him admitted to

the hospital, and later gave us news of his death almost 2 hours later.  Even though the reporters were already on the scene at

least 45 minutes earlier.


3) Remember they said how Mj was such an addict.  Can you tell me why, he had a nutritionist on staff, but more importantly,

why did he wear masks all the time,  for years to protect himself from germs. (because of Lupus, maybe) does that sound like

someone who would just casually throw himself away to drugs ?  I do not think so

2:09 am
August 2, 2009


Miss Dahmer

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you might be on to something here!

‘I think in some way I wanted it to end, even if it meant my own destruction.’

2:12 am
August 2, 2009


BelieverAngel90

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Wow  – you shot the fish in the barrel with this one …  this is unbelievable amazing ….

“Michael … I understand … I am sad I never got to talk to you … like a normal person.” *Sweet Sweet Earth Angel A.K.A. Michael*

2:21 am
August 2, 2009


carelesslove46

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I think Michael may have had a severe form of OCD..Germ phobia's and all that..I also read somewhere that Mike was not dead but unconcious when the paramedic's went to the house..He died later at the hospital..This would explain why LaToya was told that Michael was alive when she got to the hospital..It would also explain why the stretcher was elevated as can be seen in the photo of Mike being wheeled into the hospital. It would also explain the ambulance pic of the paramedics working on Michael..If he wasn't dead at that point then why do CPR?? Clearly CPR isn't being done in the ambulance photo..If Micheal did die, I think he may have been murdered..This is why stories dont match up..To be taking the amount of drugs that they say he was would have rendered Mike a vertual vegetable..Nothing adds up. But you have a great post here…xxx

2:32 am
August 2, 2009


lets talk

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On the news they said that there was no pulse on breathing according to the paramedics on the scene.  They said it was the doctor

who pushed the paramedics to take Mj to the hospital, after first insisting that they work on him at home for 42 minutes.  Why, take 

him to the hospital after the paramedics said he was dead, why because the doctor on hand (Murray) would have been forced to sign

the death certificate.   And also it was important for him to take him to the hospital because 1) the world needed to know 2) to allow

him an escape route. The reason I believe that they did not report him dead at first was to allow for all of the stations to pick up on it. 

They wanted the world's attention.  They first Twittered it, then TMz came in and the rest of the media followed suit.

If the coroner can find no trace of Proprofyl in Mj's sytem, and he is healthy otherwise, there wil be no cause of death.

The death will be listed as undetermined.  That is why they have been so slow to report it.  Because this is Mj and the world will

be pressuring them to find the exact cause of death, and so far they have been unable to.

2:33 am
August 2, 2009


lets talk

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On the news they said that there was no pulse on breathing according to the paramedics on the scene.  They said it was the doctor

who pushed the paramedics to take Mj to the hospital, after first insisting that they work on him at home for 42 minutes.  Why, take 

him to the hospital after the paramedics said he was dead, why because the doctor on hand (Murray) would have been forced to sign

the death certificate.   Also it was important for him to take him to the hospital because 1) the world needed to know 2) to allow

him an escape route. The reason I believe that they did not report him dead at first was to allow for all of the stations to pick up on it. 

They wanted the world's attention.  They first Twittered it, then TMz came in and the rest of the media followed suit.

If the coroner can find no trace of Proprofyl in Mj's sytem, and he is healthy otherwise, there wil be no cause of death.

The death will be listed as undetermined.  That is why they have been so slow to report it.  Because this is Mj and the world will

be pressuring them to find the exact cause of death, and so far they have been unable to.

2:33 am
August 2, 2009


lets talk

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On the news they said that there was no pulse on breathing according to the paramedics on the scene.  They said it was the doctor

who pushed the paramedics to take Mj to the hospital, after first insisting that they work on him at home for 42 minutes.  Why, take 

him to the hospital after the paramedics said he was dead, why because the doctor on hand (Murray) would have been forced to sign

the death certificate.   Also it was important for him to take him to the hospital because 1) the world needed to know 2) to allow

him an escape route. The reason I believe that they did not report him dead at first was to allow for all of the stations to pick up on it. 

They wanted the world's attention.  They first Twittered it, then TMz came in and the rest of the media followed suit.

If the coroner can find no trace of Proprofyl in Mj's sytem, and he is healthy otherwise, there wil be no cause of death.

The death will be listed as undetermined.  That is why they have been so slow to report it.  Because this is Mj and the world will

be pressuring them to find the exact cause of death, and so far they have been unable to.

2:39 am
August 2, 2009


lets talk

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Also I believe that Prince 1 knows something about all of this. The doctor called Prince 1 for a reason, maybe he was to assist the doctor and MJ in pulling this hoax off. Maybe Prince 1 hid things, or helped his dad with something, there was a reason Prince 1 was called by doctor Murray. That is why you see Prince 1 looking extremely bored at the memorial, he knows something. Or maybe his dad said goodbye to him, and asked him to be strong for his sister and brother, until he comes back. I do not know but there is definitely a reason why the doctor called Prince 1 into the room.

2:52 am
August 2, 2009


J.J_loves_MJ

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Post edited 7:54 pm – August 2, 2009 by MJ_forever


lets talk said:

Also I believe that Prince 1 knows something about all of this. The doctor called Prince 1 for a reason, maybe he was to assist the doctor and MJ in pulling this hoax off. Maybe Prince 1 hid things, or helped his dad with something, there was a reason Prince 1 was called by doctor Murray. That is why you see Prince 1 looking extremely bored at the memorial, he knows something. Or maybe his dad said goodbye to him, and asked him to be strong for his sister and brother, until he comes back. I do not know but there is definitely a reason why the doctor called Prince 1 into the room.


I think that your theory is quite LOGICAL. I like it.  Good.. now u made me think at something. U say that if that the coroner can find no trace of propofol in Michael's blood there will not be a cause of death. Could be this a reason for what they are delaying the autopsy results?

Then… if your latest theory would be true, if Michael wanted to say goodbye, would have said goodbye too ALL kids or at least to the oldest, Prince 1 and Paris. It is quite strange why the doctor called Prince, because technicaly he is just  CHILD. He is 12. Even if the child if extremly intelligent, he cannot think more than a child. We dont talk here about crime stories, but reality.

Another thing that made me think… If Michael used to take a cocktail of 30 drugs, he would have died a long time ago. Being a fragile person like they said, he couldnt resist.

Now, in the end, I want to thank you for having this brilliant mind. I really liked your theory.

I want to apologize for my bad english. I hope all of you can understand what I’m writing.If not.. please tell me immediately because I don’t want to get in trouble.

3:19 am
August 2, 2009


pumpkin

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I read LaToya was supposed to have heard Michael ws already dead when she got to the hospital but I would discount ANYTHING she says. Also we don't know that Prince was called to the room, this was stated by his chef who is currently promoting a book and is from a theatre/hollywood background, and was also fired and re-hired by Michael so I don't really believe that either. She also said there was a lot of panic and screaming at the time, but on the 911 call there is no noise at all. I can't believe for a minute that no-one else thought to call 911 other than Murray if they knew the situation it just doesn't add up. None of it, the dead at home bit, the supposed CPR in the ambulance, the coma, the announcement.

It is a good point about the propofol though, it's been stated a few times that the autopsy results are not appearing because there is either more to it than a drug OD or the body they have (if there is one) is NOT that of Michael.

There is some discussion about this in the Liza Minnelli  says 'all hell will break loose' topic.

3:50 am
August 2, 2009


Samantha

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Michaels Quote 'If i ever want proof, i'll find it in you'

Excellent job at this, i agree with everything.

And how La toya said 'Michaels worth more dead than alive' well there you go he knew the sales would hit the roof after he “died”.

3:58 am
August 2, 2009


thelostchildren

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pumpkin said:

I read LaToya was supposed to have heard Michael ws already dead when she got to the hospital but I would discount ANYTHING she says. Also we don't know that Prince was called to the room, this was stated by his chef who is currently promoting a book and is from a theatre/hollywood background, and was also fired and re-hired by Michael so I don't really believe that either. She also said there was a lot of panic and screaming at the time, but on the 911 call there is no noise at all. I can't believe for a minute that no-one else thought to call 911 other than Murray if they knew the situation it just doesn't add up. None of it, the dead at home bit, the supposed CPR in the ambulance, the coma, the announcement.

It is a good point about the propofol though, it's been stated a few times that the autopsy results are not appearing because there is either more to it than a drug OD or the body they have (if there is one) is NOT that of Michael.

There is some discussion about this in the Liza Minnelli  says 'all hell will break loose' topic.


you know I nearly believed the chef till I saw your comment bout her promoting her book, reminds me of one washed-out '80s actress who was claiming to have been Michael's first kss, but coincidentally enough she was promoting her autobiography at the same time she was giving her interview…

mr tohme tohme was reported as saying he was Michael's closest confidante and was influential in the decision to fire some of Michael's staff, believing they do not have the best interests for Michael. why did Michael hire them back in the end? I know this for the nanny, the chef and his former business associate, around the same time that Michael hired the shady doctor murray too. do yo think this could be telling of the hoax?

furthermore I'd like to add to your comment bout liza minelli's statement. remember he had once backed out on a concert (happened in Singapore where I lived (X ) due to the child molestation allegations and Elizabeth Taylor flew in to help him admit to his drug dependency and check into rehab? his dependency on such substances has happened way earlier. maybe this is being exploited by the creators of a hoax to make his death by drugs seem more plausible

4:10 am
August 2, 2009


Rofibbs

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the Authorities are jus raisin dust on Dr Murray..at the end they'l drop charges with the excuse that Mj had too many Doctors n Prescription(watch this space)…Already theres this issue of MJ doctor shoppin on CNN…MJ has set the world on stage, a stage where the detractors are his PAWNS, the family his SCRIPTWRITERS, AEG his film DIRECTORS, the authorities his supportin ACTORS, his Doctors the BADGUYS, title of film: DRUG-OVERDOSE, his fans the DETECTIVES…the tape is rollin, just keep watchin.

4:36 am
August 2, 2009


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Rofibbs, that sounds really interesting. That would be it then!

Also, imo Dr. Murray is strange anyway… I mean, as it was posted many times before, on the one hand mj still had pulse, and you´re not supposed to do cpr then, on the other hand he was already dead, or in a coma, or whatever… Nothing matches. There must be something to it.

And if this is really a movie, this would be the greatest “documentary” ever, i mean, there would be no way to exceed this. Then, one day, we would see his place in the world history (you know what I´m referring to )

“How about that? I love you most! Got`cha!”

5:01 am
August 2, 2009


J.J_loves_MJ

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Rofibbs said:

the Authorities are jus raisin dust on Dr Murray..at the end they'l drop charges with the excuse that Mj had too many Doctors n Prescription(watch this space)…Already theres this issue of MJ doctor shoppin on CNN…MJ has set the world on stage, a stage where the detractors are his PAWNS, the family his SCRIPTWRITERS, AEG his film DIRECTORS, the authorities his supportin ACTORS, his Doctors the BADGUYS, title of film: DRUG-OVERDOSE, his fans the DETECTIVES…the tape is rollin, just keep watchin.


Interesting.

I want to apologize for my bad english. I hope all of you can understand what I’m writing.If not.. please tell me immediately because I don’t want to get in trouble.

5:08 am
August 2, 2009


MariannaB

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Rofibbs, VERY good point.


All of us puppets on strings? Or is this just a natural development of emotional wave and let go?

At least here on this site, there are more people that dare use their brains and look and question than those who swallow everything on the presented spoon like babies.

Sit back and keep watching.

There are always specific roles in an opera: the king, the princess, the stranger, the murderer, the comedian…

Who's who?

And IS it what you see or is it a shadow of it?

Or a mirror, or an image? Or a photoshopped image?

What is true?

And when we die – what is true then?

5:22 am
August 2, 2009


pumpkin

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thelostchildren said:

pumpkin said:

I read LaToya was supposed to have heard Michael ws already dead when she got to the hospital but I would discount ANYTHING she says. Also we don't know that Prince was called to the room, this was stated by his chef who is currently promoting a book and is from a theatre/hollywood background, and was also fired and re-hired by Michael so I don't really believe that either. She also said there was a lot of panic and screaming at the time, but on the 911 call there is no noise at all. I can't believe for a minute that no-one else thought to call 911 other than Murray if they knew the situation it just doesn't add up. None of it, the dead at home bit, the supposed CPR in the ambulance, the coma, the announcement.

It is a good point about the propofol though, it's been stated a few times that the autopsy results are not appearing because there is either more to it than a drug OD or the body they have (if there is one) is NOT that of Michael.

There is some discussion about this in the Liza Minnelli  says 'all hell will break loose' topic.


you know I nearly believed the chef till I saw your comment bout her promoting her book, reminds me of one washed-out '80s actress who was claiming to have been Michael's first kss, but coincidentally enough she was promoting her autobiography at the same time she was giving her interview…

mr tohme tohme was reported as saying he was Michael's closest confidante and was influential in the decision to fire some of Michael's staff, believing they do not have the best interests for Michael. why did Michael hire them back in the end? I know this for the nanny, the chef and his former business associate, around the same time that Michael hired the shady doctor murray too. do yo think this could be telling of the hoax?

furthermore I'd like to add to your comment bout liza minelli's statement. remember he had once backed out on a concert (happened in Singapore where I lived (X ) due to the child molestation allegations and Elizabeth Taylor flew in to help him admit to his drug dependency and check into rehab? his dependency on such substances has happened way earlier. maybe this is being exploited by the creators of a hoax to make his death by drugs seem more plausible


Seek and ye shall find

I guess we have to keep looking for clues and believing, I just hope it's not 20 years down the line before we find out, I don't think I can hang on that long.


5:33 am
August 2, 2009


jewell

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Post edited 10:55 pm – August 2, 2009 by jewell



Very interesting theory…good job!


But I do want to add while propofol leaves the bloodstream quickly….

that it IS detected in an autopsy in trace amounts in the tissue and hair samples….

So if there was propofol use, there will be some amounts detected in the toxicology reports.


It may not be the primary cause of death on the reports, but would be a contributing factor.


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5:56 am
August 2, 2009


bexuk

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Ok im confused in your theory do you think Mj is alive or dead?


Also why would the doctore be administering propofol at 9am in the morning this is all very confusing to me maybe cos Ive been up all night ha!

Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on a tv screen dont make it factual….actual!

7:55 am
August 2, 2009


she_can

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Assuming MJ is alive: Dr Murray is a person in debts, divorced and apparently with no kids -what does he have to lose if for a couple of months he is a suspect (he is protected anyway) and loses his licence? the reward would be some financial compensation and I am 100% sure he will not be convicted because it will be ruled out as accidental overdose by combination of drugs

9:18 am
August 2, 2009


bec

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Propofol/diprovan is a hoax, perpetuated by MJ himself through the nurse. He was on IV for fluids and probably a glucose drip and the propofol is a complete fabrication. He planted the diprivan rumor and the diprivan substance in the house but betcha a million dollars he never used it.


MJ couldn't just be addicted to pain meds, it had to be something completely off the wall… dramatic and attention getting. Drugs are the perfect story, Anna Nicole was in the headlines for weeks. Add anesthesia and a doctor at the actual bedside to the Anna Nicole saga and you have a news story guaranteed to be top billing for months.

What do you think about that, Give.It.To.Me?

9:29 am
August 2, 2009


ladylee1979

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ive been reading michael jackson book and it says in there that michael wore surgical masks to hide nose and chin surgery or as a disguise when out in public ironically the mask made people notice him even more,but it was maily used to cover up further surgeries to his nose and chin while healing

11:58 am
August 2, 2009


alley

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pumpkin said:

I read LaToya was supposed to have heard Michael ws already dead when she got to the hospital but I would discount ANYTHING she says. Also we don't know that Prince was called to the room, this was stated by his chef who is currently promoting a book and is from a theatre/hollywood background, and was also fired and re-hired by Michael so I don't really believe that either. She also said there was a lot of panic and screaming at the time, but on the 911 call there is no noise at all. I can't believe for a minute that no-one else thought to call 911 other than Murray if they knew the situation it just doesn't add up. None of it, the dead at home bit, the supposed CPR in the ambulance, the coma, the announcement.

It is a good point about the propofol though, it's been stated a few times that the autopsy results are not appearing because there is either more to it than a drug OD or the body they have (if there is one) is NOT that of Michael.

There is some discussion about this in the Liza Minnelli  says 'all hell will break loose' topic.


You made me think about something. I heard or read somewhere that the nanny was there, the cook, the housekeeper, and I think  someone else; so why did Murray had to get security to make the 911 call. Where did he find security? Was the security man inside or outside the house.   Didn’t one of those persons in the house have a phone to call 911, or did they too not know the address of where they work?


2:12 pm
August 2, 2009


Damion

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lets talk said:

So therefore the drug becomes untraceable 

and therefore no evidence.  That is why (I believe) that they took the brain out trying to get that perticular evidence. 


The drug does not become untraceable. There seems to be some confusion about Propofol in this forum.

Propofol leaves the blood stream very fast, thus it has to be administered with an IV drip for the whole length of a surgery, for example.That's the reason it can't be traced anymore in the blood after a short period of time. …. BUT….it can be traced in body tissue, urin and even hair.

I found an interesting paper “Death after excessive propofol abuse”, which seems to be the result of a forensic toxicologic examination in Germany. The paper is in English and not very long. Here's an excerpt:

“Abuse of the anaesthetic agent propofol (2,6- diisopropylphenol) is rare. We report a case of a 26-year-old male nurse in which autopsy showed unspecific signs of in- toxication. Criminological evidence pointed towards propofol abuse and/or overdose. Intravenously administered propofol is a fast as well as short acting narcotic agent. Therefore it seemed questionable whether the deceased was able to self- administer a lethal overdose before loosing consciousness. The blood and brain concentrations corresponded to the concentrations found 1-2min after bolus administration of a narcotic standard dose of 2.5mg propofol/kg body weight. Extremely high propofol concentrations were found in urine indicating multiple abuse before death. Due to the short half-life of propofol the cumulative toxic effect of repeated injections should not be relevant for toxicity since this would result in a blood level increase of only 1-2µg/ml. The detection and quantitation of propofol in three different hair segments indicates a chronic propofol abuse of the deceased. The results of the investigation suggest that death was not caused by a propfol overdose but by respiratory depression resulting from too fast an injection.”

Source: http://www.geocities.com/junge…..03_eng.pdf


2:38 am
August 4, 2009


pumpkin

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thelostchildren said:

mr tohme tohme was reported as saying he was Michael's closest confidante and was influential in the decision to fire some of Michael's staff, believing they do not have the best interests for Michael. why did Michael hire them back in the end? I know this for the nanny, the chef and his former business associate, around the same time that Michael hired the shady doctor murray too. do yo think this could be telling of the hoax?

There are conflicting stories over who hired Murray and how long he had worked for or known Michael, and also contrary to reports that Michael was found in Murray's bedroom as said by LaToya, Murray's attorney has said that Murray definitely did not have a room in the mansion, so where did all the canisters of oxygen come from they were supposed to take away, you mean to tell me they were in Michael's bedroom and no-one noticed or said anything?

It is odd that so many people who were previously fired by Michael suddenly re-appear on the scene a few weeks before he 'dies', including Branca also.

I watched the TMZ live chat last night and the Channel 4 documentry over here a couple of weeks ago and both were re-iterating how it was known widely known that Michael was dependant on drugs and that he was getting propofol – what???? Everyone KNEW but did nothing?

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