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3:40 am July 20, 2009
| Anna.K
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Post edited 8:44 pm – July 20, 2009 by Anna.K
I'm opening this thread so we can recap EVERYTHING we have so far. Let's recapitulate everything that ticked us off in the first place : what conflicts, what's eerie and strange, doesn't add up and doesn't make sense.
Please, leave all conspiracy theories such as the Illuminati out of this. This is not what this thread is about – it's not about pure speculation, it's not about “what could have happened”, it's about regrouping everything that's strange so we can see what can be explained and what can't.
Please, leave personal matters out of this – we don't want to know, or care about if you knew MJ or not. This is not about US or YOU, it's about the actual STORY. Let's stop the bickering for a sec.
Thank you
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“With such confusions, don’t it make you wanna scream ?” |
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3:53 am July 20, 2009
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Post edited 8:55 pm – July 20, 2009 by mjlives
ok
-911 call made after 1/2 hour (or 1 hour?)
-911 “gentleman” remark
-why the 911 call was released at all, and so soon
-MJ collapsed or MJ died in his sleep?
-cardiologist performing CPR on the BED -MJ dead in his bedroom or the doctor's room
-doctor disappears, his car taken by police
-”no foul play” suspected after only a day, later homocide suspected
-single “death” photo that doesn't look like MJ
-MJ acting strange at O2 announcement (yes I believe it was MJ not a lookalike)
-katherine seen shopping a few days later
-joe promoting his record label- reported MJ's kids doing “great”
-debbie wanting custody then retracting intention
-tearless memorial
-no close friends of MJ at memorial (diana ross, liz taylor, macaulay culkin, quincy jones, etc.)
-closed coffin at memorial, reason said to be his face was damaged yet other reports say he looked peaceful and like he was sleeping
-katherine & joe said to not be present at the private memorial
-family INSISTED on having the casket at the public memorial
-tickets to memorial initially going for $25
-unscheduled closure at LAX on june 25th morning
-family undecided where to bury MJ's body more than 3 weeks after his death!
-MJ's will first not found and then later found but it's from 2002?
-MJ apparently in debt millions of dollars before his death, record sales shot through the roof after his death
i'm sure there's more than this, feel free to add to it.
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<- smooth criminal :) |
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4:01 am July 20, 2009
| BelieverAngel90
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- Twitter Pages of Famous Friends … don't say thing about MJ period.
- Many ” I know where Michael is” members … won't speak or big ass liars.
- E'Casanova hinting about going overseas to meet someone … 13 hr. flight to Paris , France.
- Daughter Paris “writing letters” to daddy every day without sending them … Strange.
that is my two cents on some of the clues , I know … I hope this is helpful in someway …
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“Michael … I understand … I am sad I never got to talk to you … like a normal person.”
*Sweet Sweet Earth Angel A.K.A. Michael* |
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4:40 am July 20, 2009
| NeverlandsFairy
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Post edited 9:42 pm – July 20, 2009 by NeverlandsFairy
1-Ambulance going slow, without sirenes or light.
2-Report from TMZ before any serious source
3-Obituary not signed still
4-Maybe 3 different autopsies
5-Contradictions about this suddenly “going back of MJ” to his former addiction on painkillers drugs
6-Till now no doctor (I m not inclunding Dr.Tohme Tohme cause he did not took part of the revival attempt of MJ on the hospital) from UCLA had done an official report, as such they did with Diana, Jermaine did instead.Perhaps cause no doctor wished to get trully involved on it
7-911 call turning of the before the ambulance reaches the place, and by “chance” guessed the address before the Alberto tells it completly
8-Paparazzi strategically waiting there to take a shot
9-Stuff took from MJ house before the cops come and close the scene for investigation
10-MJ signed to 50 against his will, instead of 10 gigs .”He hated to tour”.
I tried to take apart all those points what sounded pure speculations.
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4:50 am July 20, 2009
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Post edited 6:51 am – July 21, 2009 by ReachingOut
(Good Thread – T minus 1162 heads and counting!)
- Michael starts to take his kids out in public minus veils weeks leading up to “death”
- Media saturates news with Michael's checkered past immediately after “death” announced and continues for days.
- Security Tapes missing
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5:19 am July 20, 2009
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The performances on the memorial. These could be hints or maybe we are misunderstanding them, but it are facts:
- The gospel choir singing the return of the king
- The I'am alive text on screen.
- The tearles speech of paris
- No real freinds attended the memorial
- The body dissapeared after the memorial. Nobody knows where it went
- La Toya speking about Michael is watching people in the Nokia Arena
- Before We are the world starts, the person who is speaking asks Michael to join
- The picture Micheal directing a video clip.
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5:45 am July 20, 2009
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Post edited 10:46 pm – July 20, 2009 by doonbuggy
-drugs not found in home until 2nd search (after people had been in there)
-full staff fired
-911 guy took off
-straight hair/curly hair appearances since the 02 conference
-some say he was healthy, some say not
-pains instead of pain at memorial
-numerous people saying they knew the london shows would not happen
-him calling a nurse with med. problems (on fathers day) when he had a doc LIVING with him
-custody hearing for kids keeps being delayed
(hope i didnt repeat anything)
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5:48 am July 20, 2009
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i dont know why,but to me the biggest evidence is this
- A friend of Michael's Gotham Chopra tweets: Had the most fascinating dinner last night with that guy that runs the world from behind the curtain. 6:50 AM Jul 10th from web http://twitter.com/GothamChopra
- His clip Liberian girl, where he directs everything from behind the curtain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..ethtD4R1kk
He was a perfectionist, i remember his concert in Bucharest, where he insisted to fly out from the stadium with a small rocket attached to him.Everybody thought he was crazy and tried to discourage from that,but he still did it.it cost him 3 million dollars.i believe he could have done something like that..
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6:17 am July 20, 2009
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- Michael did not hire any dancers or choreographer for his upcoming concert. View video…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..p95YX7OEPo
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9:24 am July 20, 2009
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Post edited 2:30 am – July 21, 2009 by ReachingOut
- Michael Jackson's concerts moved back – from the 8th to the 13th July, concert from 10th July moved to March 2010.
- Kenny Ortega at the memoriaL, saying “Michael was here a week ago” when Michael had “died” nearly two weeks ago.
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9:26 am July 20, 2009
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9:49 am July 20, 2009
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Also, mysterious source releases Pepsi accident video which reportedly MJ wanted released back in 1984 but Pepsi refused. Pepsi angered by the video's release.
The extra “s” on “pain” in the Will You Be There monologue at the memorial. MJ never would have recorded a “mistake” and allowed it's release.
Final slide at the memorial is MJ at the end of Librarian Girl, behind a movie camera directing unsuspecting participants in his music video.
Different ears and teeth observed on MJ in various pics since the late 80's.
911 operator HUNG UP on the caller saying “call us back if you need any more help”. This is 100% against 911 protocol, the 911 operator is to stay on the line until authorities arrive.
Survellience tapes missing (or never existed because the system was turned off) of the events surrounding MJ's “death”. The “collapse” was recorded and then the tape cuts. Hardrive where the CCTV footage of the house and grounds gets auto downloaded is erased.
Multiple reports of MJ begging for perscription drugs when those in his inner circle swear he had no drug addiction.
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What do you think about that, Give.It.To.Me? |
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9:55 am July 20, 2009
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- If the kids were home…when did they leave?
-When did they go to the hospital?
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***RIP Michael Jackson** |
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10:22 am July 20, 2009
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Lots of guards and other personal in the house – Nobody to make the phone call to 911
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10:31 am July 20, 2009
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Wow, reading all of this, and really recapping and taking it all in at once - his 'death' has the most f**ked UP circumstances surrounding it that I have EVER seen.
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‘I think in some way I wanted it to end, even if it meant my own destruction.’ |
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11:00 am July 20, 2009
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- No information from ONE single staffer at UCLA confirming/denying he was even there.
- Body “shrinking” in helicopter ride from hospital to morgue.
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11:07 am July 20, 2009
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-the heliocopter announcement ..mjs body is being flown now.. EVERYBODY LOOK LOOK LOOK-pay attention to the heliocopter! and then opening the helio door so we could 'see the body' in there while in mid flight!
-hes still not 'burried' as far as we know
-neverland being gussied up before he even passed, ie gardens being replanted and property being maintained again after neglect
-neveland ordering 32000 lbs of concrete -no one knows why but its in there somewhere
-Jermaine saying on larry king, ” oh its hard to point where my brother will be, right over there by the train station,there a place for him.' or words close to that…
-all the mahem sending everyone out to neverland saying the body was going there…but it didnt…but created more confusion
-family saying that many things are being brought back to neverland-ie home stuff
-hiring John Branca back three weeks before passing
-family saying the body was not viewable for the public coz of damage during cpr-but allowing the kids and family to view body who say it was peoaceful..
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11:34 am July 20, 2009
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Justfound out this morning custody hearing was to start thinsmorning but now is postponed until Aug.3
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“I’m Alive And I’m Here Forever” – Michael Jackson |
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1:48 pm July 20, 2009
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- The recording of AEG from the final rehearsal wich was luckily in Full HD Audio and Video.
- Now I'm thinking about it, why having a final rehearsal at the wrong location. Seems to me evertything should be retested at the right location as lots of things can be different again.
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1:51 pm July 20, 2009
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oh forgot one..
the fact that dr murray was to accompany him to London, yet he is not licensed to practice medicine there.
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1:53 pm July 20, 2009
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great topic.
now the question is which coincidences are “explainable” and which are not.
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1:56 pm July 20, 2009
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This is one of the most important topics!
ADMIN Please sticky this thread or otherwise keep it at the top.
More people need to see this so we're not repeating ourselves constantly in new threads.
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<- smooth criminal :) |
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2:06 pm July 20, 2009
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mjlives said:
This is one of the most important topics!
ADMIN Please sticky this thread or otherwise keep it at the top.
More people need to see this so we're not repeating ourselves constantly in new threads.
definitely.
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2:12 pm July 20, 2009
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-the pic of Joe Jackson at BEN with an MJ similar look alike sitting behind him…
-MJJ productions being bought by AEG
-AEG contract that specified that if the artist died of self induced circumstances and not natural death, it could get it's money back
-Capital colony buying Neverland
-The doc saying that he's the biological father of MJ's older kids and filing for custody
-ecasanova's twitter blocking everyone out
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2:13 pm July 20, 2009
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mjlives said:
This is one of the most important topics!
ADMIN Please sticky this thread or otherwise keep it at the top.
More people need to see this so we're not repeating ourselves constantly in new threads.
I agree with you.
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I want to apologize for my bad english. I hope all of you can understand what I’m writing.If not.. please tell me immediately because I don’t want to get in trouble. |
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4:10 am July 21, 2009
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thanks for making this topic sticky
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5:13 am July 21, 2009
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- There seems to be like one picture in existence of Dr. Conrad Murray, even papparazzi can't seem to find him.
- Dr. Murray “is not a suspect but only a witness” and yet he hires an attorney anyway and has the attorney speak for him in interviews.
- Cell phones have GPS tracking. Even without knowing MJ's address the doctor could have used his cell phone to call 911 and they could have tracked him. Further MJ lived very close to UCLA medical center and if he'd just said it was michael jackson's house, they would have known where to go.
- The cardiologist doesn't have a de fibrillator.
- How did MJ pass a 4-5 physical by an independent doctor for Lloyds of London to insure his concerts if he was “frail,” “sickly,” or “drug addicted?”
- Liz Taylor couldn't bring herself to “mourn in public” stating her feelings were private, but she could tweet about it which is even more public and impersonal.
- For that matter, why does Liz Taylor even HAVE a Twitter account, which she started back in March? Conveniently her first post ever mentions Dr. Klein.
- Some articles state Dr. Murray as a holistic doctor. he's also not licensed to prescribe any medication which could have harmed MJ in the state of california. He also couldn't administer such medication legally. Why would MJ pick this doctor to “enable” him?
- A tabloid reporter predicted MJ's death within a few weeks.
- Several months ago someone called in a radio show and claimed MJ had died from a drug overdose. It turned out to be a hoax.
- Cherilynn Lee, claimed MJ had begged her for Diprivan, but she's a NUTRITIONIST. Why would he call her? Especially when he had a doctor, and especially when he hadn't spoken to her in three months anyway and supposedly owed her money. (Could owing her money be a motivation for her coming out with this ridiculous story?)
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5:13 am July 21, 2009
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- There seems to be like one picture in existence of Dr. Conrad Murray, even papparazzi can't seem to find him.
- Dr. Murray “is not a suspect but only a witness” and yet he hires an attorney anyway and has the attorney speak for him in interviews.
- Cell phones have GPS tracking. Even without knowing MJ's address the doctor could have used his cell phone to call 911 and they could have tracked him. Further MJ lived very close to UCLA medical center and if he'd just said it was michael jackson's house, they would have known where to go.
- The cardiologist doesn't have a de fibrillator.
- How did MJ pass a 4-5 physical by an independent doctor for Lloyds of London to insure his concerts if he was “frail,” “sickly,” or “drug addicted?”
- Liz Taylor couldn't bring herself to “mourn in public” stating her feelings were private, but she could tweet about it which is even more public and impersonal.
- For that matter, why does Liz Taylor even HAVE a Twitter account, which she started back in March? Conveniently her first post ever mentions Dr. Klein.
- Some articles state Dr. Murray as a holistic doctor. he's also not licensed to prescribe any medication which could have harmed MJ in the state of california. He also couldn't administer such medication legally. Why would MJ pick this doctor to “enable” him?
- A tabloid reporter predicted MJ's death within a few weeks.
- Several months ago someone called in a radio show and claimed MJ had died from a drug overdose. It turned out to be a hoax.
- Cherilynn Lee, claimed MJ had begged her for Diprivan, but she's a NUTRITIONIST. Why would he call her? Especially when he had a doctor, and especially when he hadn't spoken to her in three months anyway and supposedly owed her money. (Could owing her money be a motivation for her coming out with this ridiculous story?)
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5:15 am July 21, 2009
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Post edited 10:16 pm – July 21, 2009 by henda11
- Similar looking guy at the BET awards with matching ears, nose, sideburns and head shape + hair
- The photo of him arriving to the hospital, why so many peopel surrounding the stretcher?
- 2 different Ambulance photos
- Peter Pan PYT – sounds like michael
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“Excuse me, Yooohooo, i’ll take this one ” – Funny MJ Moment |
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8:22 am July 21, 2009
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Aww this is my favorite post, it's like jumping into the logical side of my brain. And I agree with Miss Dahmer that putting these statements together really emphasizes why many are dubious of the circumstances.
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