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souza81
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Post edited 9:30 pm – July 28, 2009 by souza81
I'm at a point now where I'm close to giving up on the movie-theory. IMO that is the only hoax-theory there could be, because I would never believe that he just wanted a 'quiet life'. That's just not MJ.
If you look at it in a different way, let's face it, we don't know anything. Everything we heard and discussed, we heard through the media.
Maybe Mike was on drugs. If you're honest, It wouldn't be that strange if you look at his life and all the trials, pain and pressure he had to deal with. Maybe Dr. Murray did give him propofol and fell asleep, finding Mike dead when he awaked. Maybe he wanted to save his own ass and that is why the 2 women removed those boxes from his clinic.
Maybe that is why he was paid that amount of money, to provide Mike with the dangerous anasthetics, something other doctors wouldn't administre to him, you only need 1 greedy person.
Maybe that is why Liza Minelli said that all hell would break loose if the autopsy rapport would be presented, fans all over the world wouldn't believe MJ was actually a drug addict and many of them would be highly disappointed. That is why Liza is glad we are celebrating him now, because she thinks we wont be celebrating him anymore after we find out the truth.
The 911-caller could be that calm because he already had seen that MJ was dead and the guy that took the call and hang up that quick (not according to protocol) could have been new on the job, or just nervous because he realized that there was a big chance tha call was about MJ.
The ambulance pic could be real. We are told that dr. Klein was changing his face again, that could also explain all the pictures of which we think isn't Mike, but is. He could look darker because of the dark window of the ambulance and he could look younger/fatter than we remember him, because of all the CPS/ tubes/ mouth-to mouth etc. I recall my dad had a blown-up face after he had surgery. Could also be the meds, who knows?
If it's not real, that's the media. Maybe they had an old pic an photoshopped it. It would be just for the money.
We haven't heard from UCLA staff, maybe that's just because they are actually doing what they should do: shut up (unlike the nurse).
We've been told that LAPD screwed up by not sealing the crime scene. That was told to us through media, no one knows if that is really true.
Maybe autopsy and toxic results are being delayed for the reason Liza Minelli is giving, the family is afraid that hell would break loose and there will be the most horrible stories about MJ all over the news, maybe they're just not ready to cope with that.
And about the family saying all different things? It's the Jacksons, they're a really strange family and I don't think they're all on speaking terms. Joe is a cold-hearted ass, we already knew that. LaToya already told untrue stories about her brother in the early 90's, she's just the attention-seeking bitch she has ever been.
So guys, as you can see, I'm losing hope here, I don't think it's a hoax, it's just the combination of The Jacksons, the hollywood-gossip and the die-hard fans that can't believe their Michael would do something like that.
So, maybe there's somebody that can kill the above theory and cheer me up here?
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4:28 am
July 28, 2009
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Post edited 9:29 pm – July 28, 2009 by BelieverAngel90
Look here Souza81 - you are the one who made me believe when I was about to give up – we know all the theories and lies about Tabloids and such , don't give up …. seems like forever but Time wil Tell everything we all want to know.
“may seem like forever , but before you notice - it was just a day ” – My Old Saying.
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4:29 am
July 28, 2009
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If he indeed died, I think foul play was made. He had many enemies specielly at SONY, but still many things doesent make any sence. But of course we have too keep in mind that he is dead until fact proven otherwise.
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4:32 am
July 28, 2009
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Post edited 9:41 pm – July 28, 2009 by Anna.K
Well, I can't kill your theory – because that is what we can gather from what we're told : yes, this would be the most logical explanation.
Like you said, the Jacksons are the Jacksons…. they're a screwed-up family so I don't know if we can conclude much from their behaviour.
Now, looking at the way Michael Jackson thinks (just speculation on my part – gathering from interviews, etc…) : I don't think the guy could ever give up entertainment altogether just for a “normal life”, especially if that life does not include his kids.
However, the movie theory, to me, is too far-fetched. It's greatly constructed as a theory – but I'm not sure it'd be feasible.
Now, about what I said, on Michael's psychology : a comeback theory is not to be totally eliminated ; maybe if it's based on the theme of resurrection, rather than playing with everyone's feelings. That would tie in with Michael's wishes to imitate Jesus and would be coherent with his “saviour's complex” (yes, I think Michael must have had a saviour's complex – which is not a FLAW ; I'm not saying he was narcissistic, I believe he was humble… but still had an ego and was a perfectionist).
Right now, not ALL hope is lost. I guess, right now, we can just wait and work; gather up as much facts as we can and see how it all unfolds. I don't think it's necessary to start speculating on numerology etc. IMO that's a waste of time. BUT that does not mean we should end our investigation there. I think we have to keep digging. Whatever the final conclusion may be ; I think we did manage to expose that the media LIES, and that people will do anything for personal gain : which I think would very well tie-in with Michael Jackson's wishes, dead or alive.
Whatever happens : we still have his music, his whole body of work. It is indeed sad that we appear to have lost an immense talent who had, it seems, unfinished business and who could have brought much more to the world.
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4:36 am
July 28, 2009
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Noooo…You were one of the optimstic ones, remember?! As much as I hate to admit it, this post kinda makes me sad. As long as the truth hasn't come to light yet, we shan't derive to any conclusions.
Of course, maybe some of the “hoaxes theory” we had made could be just mere coincidences and got twisted as a “hoax fact”.. but I believe there are still unanswered questions out there….
Ahh, the sadness is coming to me again… Sobs.
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4:39 am
July 28, 2009
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So, maybe there's somebody that can kill the above theory and cheer me up here?
He will never be dead, there will always be, in our thoughts and heart!!!
Never, Do not forget that!
I love you
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4:41 am
July 28, 2009
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excellent post Souza!
I also don't want to believe that this isn't a hoax….
but the theories are becoming too far fetched for me now….
i am finding more reality in the actual death… as sad as it is……
i do believe that this will turn into involuntary manslaughter case by the end of this week or next.
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4:48 am
July 28, 2009
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well..i like the movie theory because all the things you wrote down make really really sense !!!
but… maybe it´ s wishful thinking I don´t know. At this time i don´t feel sad and not either happy.
I just look at this site every day as often as possible in the hope somebody gets some news.
I´ll wait until the end of october..and i think if at this time nothing happenend then..perhaps…i`ll come to the conclusion that he´s gone forever….dead or alive..i think then we will never know 
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4:48 am
July 28, 2009
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well your theory could be right, or it could be way off, at the moment we just don't know. it's all speculation. to say the theory of him being dead is more logical than this being a hoax is in itself illogical – it presumes certain “facts” are beyond speculation, and they're not. as you said, everything we've been told up until now has been through the media, and everything the media publishes is questionable. i'm not saying for sure he's alive OR dead, and i'm not saying it's all a conspiracy because I really don't believe that (it would be impractical), all i'm saying is to keep an open mind and don't decide anything until we have more evidence. unless it's hampering your ability to live day by day and get on with your life, if you want to know the truth, keep searching. it's out there, and it will be discovered, and when it is there'll be no hesitation about coming to terms with it. it will be obvious. as of yet, it's debatable.
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4:49 am
July 28, 2009
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“I like to create magic…wonderment, excitement, the unexpected, escapism, creating something that is so incredible, an illusion…creating something that will blow their minds,… giving them so much more,…excellence…I love doing that…there is nothing like it!…” MJ
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4:50 am
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souza81
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STARFISH1 said:
So, maybe there's somebody that can kill the above theory and cheer me up here?
He will never be dead, there will always be, in our thoughts and heart!!!
Never, Do not forget that!
I love you
Absolutely, If the above turns out to be the truth, I would never judge him because of it. He inspired me as a person and as an artist and I would always have him in my heart, that's for sure. It's just that I am losing hope here on his big comeback. My heart says he's still here, my mind contradicts that. Maybe I'm just having an off day. There could be news tomorrow that will twist everything again, who knows.
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4:50 am
July 28, 2009
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biboart said:
well..i like the movie theory because all the things you wrote down make really really sense !!!
but… maybe it´ s wishful thinking I don´t know. At this time i don´t feel sad and not either happy.
I just look at this site every day as often as possible in the hope somebody gets some news.
I´ll wait until the end of october..and i think if at this time nothing happenend then..perhaps…i`ll come to the conclusion that he´s gone forever….dead or alive..i think then we will never know
I'm with you here. Waiting till Oct 31st to see what directions my mind will go. Dead or alive may God be by his side.
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4:53 am
July 28, 2009
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souza81
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sunrise said:
“I like to create magic…wonderment, excitement, the unexpected, escapism, creating something that is so incredible, an illusion…creating something that will blow their minds,… giving them so much more,…excellence…I love doing that…there is nothing like it!…” MJ
yes, but listen to his music. In my opinion he's already done this.
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4:56 am
July 28, 2009
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Before you posted this- i promise you i was thinking exactly the same thing…..
I was also scrolling down through the forum..i am afraid to say …it looked like tabloids….just take a look… i felt guilty for being here. 
I feel it's a lose lose situation…we can't believe the media but on the other hand we have no solid proof for either “dead” or “alive”
But I still have hope… just getting impatient i suppose.
I love this website…
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5:00 am
July 28, 2009
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Anna K, I agree with you completely..It does seem though that Michael is bringing more to people dead then he did when he was alive…Sadly. I have met people who had never listened to his music until recently..It is almost as though he has 'united' the world albeit I'm sure momentarily. I also wondered about the 'saviour complex' too..Some of the paintings he had done of himself depict him as some kind of 'saviour'..Have you seen them? I am not putting him down either but maybe he realised early in life what his 'mission' would be..The movie theory is a really good one but too far fetched for me..I think Michael has passed on…I think he may have been surrounded by sychophant's and hanger's on that were draining him of just about everything in the finish…It all gets down to one word…GREED!
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5:01 am
July 28, 2009
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Me hearties.. please don't give up believing. You've all been doing great so far and holding on. It's normal to be blue once in a while. I've been so myself but the next minute recalling about the death cert, the 'beat about the bush' reports about the cause of death, unrealeased songs kept in safe etc.etc. etc. makes me feel that Michael is out there watching. There is not a word of death uttered. Be inspired by Michael… “I'M ALIVE AND WILL LIVE FOREVER”. Hugs for y'all.
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5:02 am
July 28, 2009
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Our last hope is to wait till October… If there are still no news or that everything has died down by then….. *wails loudly*
It has came to my attention that reality is cruel…
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5:11 am
July 28, 2009
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@Souza81
By opening this topic I wondered what's Souza coming up with this time. Sadly this time the story isn't about comeback or living in hiding, but about MJs death.
Although you wrote a great theory here with a 180 degree turn, you try to give once again another point of view. This is not a bad thing, but I think you left out a lot of (assumed) facts which you used in your Movie Theory. Some of the facts you (and we all) take for granted apply in most scenarios, but there is enough left that seem to apply only to the 'fake death' theories.
About Michael wanting to entertain: I said this before in this forum, but that will be perfectly possible for him. Just make new 'unreleased' material. This way he's entertaining us with his music. He can even make a video clip with himself in it. Just tell the world it's an impostor…
I hope we ever know if he's really dead or just alive and hiding. But I doubt it.
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5:18 am
July 28, 2009
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When I try not to look at everything logically Its easy for me to believe that he's probably still alive.If you really think about it it makes no sense. As I hear many of them saying when I was watching on tv last night nothing is normal about this case. NOTHING.Yesterday I was almost convinced that he's dead. Today I'm not so sure what to think.
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5:24 am
July 28, 2009
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souza81
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Sosh said:
@Souza81
By opening this topic I wondered what's Souza coming up with this time. Sadly this time the story isn't about comeback or living in hiding, but about MJs death.
Although you wrote a great theory here with a 180 degree turn, you try to give once again another point of view. This is not a bad thing, but I think you left out a lot of (assumed) facts which you used in your Movie Theory. Some of the facts you (and we all) take for granted apply in most scenarios, but there is enough left that seem to apply only to the 'fake death' theories.
About Michael wanting to entertain: I said this before in this forum, but that will be perfectly possible for him. Just make new 'unreleased' material. This way he's entertaining us with his music. He can even make a video clip with himself in it. Just tell the world it's an impostor…
I hope we ever know if he's really dead or just alive and hiding. But I doubt it.
i left everything out that the media fed me. Don't get me wrong though here, I still think that movie-theory stands too, I havn't given up all hope, but it's either that or the above to me. But Im afraid we will never know the truth if this is not a movie…
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5:25 am
July 28, 2009
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souza81 said:
STARFISH1 said:
So, maybe there's somebody that can kill the above theory and cheer me up here?
He will never be dead, there will always be, in our thoughts and heart!!!
Never, Do not forget that!
I love you
Absolutely, If the above turns out to be the truth, I would never judge him because of it. He inspired me as a person and as an artist and I would always have him in my heart, that's for sure. It's just that I am losing hope here on his big comeback. My heart says he's still here, my mind contradicts that. Maybe I'm just having an off day. There could be news tomorrow that will twist everything again, who knows.
Oh, yes, possible.!
But when I have a bad day, I take in one long walk, thet day I do something nice for me.!
Meet some new people …. buy me a small plush dolly … and of course ice cream!
Life is so beautiful, do not give up so easily!
Done something that you most enjoy!
I love you
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5:38 am
July 28, 2009
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Souza81 said:
i left everything out that the media fed me. Don't get me wrong though here, I still think that movie-theory stands too, I havn't given up all hope, but it's either that or the above to me. But Im afraid we will never know the truth if this is not a movie…
In that case Michael is still alive , isn't he? Did you see his body . Only the media told us he died.
Now serious: I understand your point of view. But I don't understand how the media can make such a mess of this death if he really died. Maybe the they suspect something but don't dare to reveal this… I really dont know, but there is definitely something wrong in this case
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5:40 am
July 28, 2009
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This post made me sad
Souza, you have always been so optimistic and the movie theory was great! I love reading your posts, they make me giggle and smile! I hope that you're just having a down day (we all have them!) and feel much better about it all later.
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5:44 am
July 28, 2009
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I'm interested in the posts where people are saying they will believe MJ is dead when they see a body, etc.
When Princess Diana died, there were no pictures of her body, either in the morgue or in her coffin. And for all we know that coffin could have just contained cornflakes. But people accepted she was gone because…she is gone.
Demanding to see a body strikes me as really disrespectful to the family. And quite sick, actually.
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5:48 am
July 28, 2009
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BellaFiga said:
I'm interested in the posts where people are saying they will believe MJ is dead when they see a body, etc.
When Princess Diana died, there were no pictures of her body, either in the morgue or in her coffin. And for all we know that coffin could have just contained cornflakes. But people accepted she was gone because…she is gone.
Demanding to see a body strikes me as really disrespectful to the family. And quite sick, actually.
If Michael did die then I for one don't want to see a picture of his body. I agree it's disrespectful and it's not the way that I want to remember Michael.
However for me the object isn't seeing his body, it's the unanswered questions and stories that keep cropping up. If these were cleared up I believe I would be more inclined to believe that Michael is gone and not because I had seen a picture of his body.
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5:51 am
July 28, 2009
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Some things may never be answered. I remember that when Princess Di died there were lots of theories then and unanswered questions. To this day, I don't think they have been cleared up. But she's not here.
Funnily enough I thought I saw her with dark hair on Fulham Broadway station a few year back. Probably just someone who looked like her. maybe.
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5:52 am
July 28, 2009
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@BellaFiga
I agree with you about seeing the body. In my previous post to Souza81 I just named it this way. There are lots of ways to end these rumours of his dead being a hoax.
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5:53 am
July 28, 2009
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There may always be rumours. There are still rumours about Elvis and it's 32 years since he either expired on the toilet or was spirited away.
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5:59 am
July 28, 2009
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It´s hard for me to think Michael was on heavy drugs, though he had 3 children to take care of.
You can´t be heavy affected and take proper care of children.
Then there is there something else that confuse me. Why in hell hasn´t his closest friends or family step up and help Michael if he where on drugs ? I mean they are guilty for his dead they too, if they didn´t care for him and helped him to get off from eventually drugs ?
Even if he didn´t want help, they could have forced him to get professional help.
I think it´s very strange to not help a family member or a friend when he/she needs it so badly ?
So therefore I think there where no heavy drugs at all…..
Sorry for my very bad english
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6:05 am
July 28, 2009
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superplay said:
It´s hard for me to think Michael was on heavy drugs, though he had 3 children to take care of.
You can´t be heavy affected and take proper care of children.
Then there is there something else that confuse me. Why in hell hasn´t his closest friends or family step up and help Michael if he where on drugs ? I mean they are guilty for his dead they too, if they didn´t care for him and helped him to get off from eventually drugs ?
Even if he didn´t want help, they could have forced him to get professional help.
I think it´s very strange to not help a family member or a friend when he/she needs it so badly ?
So therefore I think there where no heavy drugs at all…..
Sorry for my very bad english
There's only so much you can do for an adult who doesn't want to stop. Completely different drugs but think of Amy Winehouse. Her family have been trying for ages to get her sorted out but she isn't really interested or isn't ready.
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