Michael Jackson Hoax Death

Is the King of Pop really dead?

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5:25 am
July 27, 2009


souza81

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Wherever you are Mike!

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Hi guys,


As much as I want Michael to be still alive, I really was stunned by the reaction to the no hoax!! post. Let's not forget that he might really be dead. A lot of people will be enormously disappointed when it turns out that MJ really died. To me he is dead until proven not. I have not posted my movie-theory just for fun, I really think it could be the truth, but I'm not taking it for the real truth until I know for sure.

Please don't take the hoax for the absolute truth, but just hope it is the truth, so it will be less of a shock when it turns out to be not a hoax. I'm really freaked out by the reactions, please comfort me and tell me you're not all going to jump off a bridge if he's really dead….

He looked me deep in the eyes He’s touchin’ me so to start He says there’s no turnin’ back He trapped me into his heart!

5:31 am
July 27, 2009


Angel36

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I agree with yo.

But there are too many questions and not enough answers.

So untill that he is alive for me.

But offcourse i realize that he could have died.

And i won't jump off a bridge because i still have a husband and 3 adorable children.

Who i love more then anything.


5:35 am
July 27, 2009


Kurious

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Angel36 said:

I agree with yo.

But there are too many questions and not enough answers.

So untill that he is alive for me.

But offcourse i realize that he could have died.

And i won't jump off a bridge because i still have a husband and 3 adorable children.

Who i love more then anything.



I'm in the extact situation as you sister!!

5:44 am
July 27, 2009


jewell

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Post edited 10:46 pm – July 27, 2009 by jewell


souza81 said:

Hi guys,


As much as I want Michael to be still alive, I really was stunned by the reaction to the no hoax!! post. Let's not forget that he might really be dead. A lot of people will be enormously disappointed when it turns out that MJ really died. To me he is dead until proven not. I have not posted my movie-theory just for fun, I really think it could be the truth, but I'm not taking it for the real truth until I know for sure.

Please don't take the hoax for the absolute truth, but just hope it is the truth, so it will be less of a shock when it turns out to be not a hoax. I'm really freaked out by the reactions, please comfort me and tell me you're not all going to jump off a bridge if he's really dead….


I am in total agreement with you!


i find it very interesting that many believe this crazy JCC stuff ….

and any crazy person in a chat room saying that they are MJ…

but won't believe the post of someone saying that he has passed…


and i also worry about some that are putting all their emotions on this being a hoax.


To find the truth… I like to play Devil’s Advocate… Please don’t let that upset you!

5:45 am
July 27, 2009


rellababy

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I agree that the reaction to the no hoax thread was pretty dramatic but I guess its because we are at a dead end.I believe/ hope that we will soon know the real truth. Its like the silence before the storm (or something like that lol)

5:48 am
July 27, 2009


martha

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I won't. And eventhough it will be one of the hardest things in my life to come to terms with  I'll try to look at it this way:


Heaven Is Here

You and I were never separate
It's just an illusion
Wrought by the magical lens of
Perception

There is only one Wholeness
Only one Mind
We are like ripples
In the vast Ocean of Consciousness

Come, let us dance
The Dance of Creation
Let us celebrate
The Joy of Life

The birds, the bees
The infinite galaxies
Rivers, Mountains
Clouds and Valleys
Are all a pulsating pattern
Living, breathing
Alive with cosmic energy

Full of Life, of Joy
This Universe of Mine
Don't be afraid

To know who you are
You are much more
Than you ever imagined

You are the Sun
You are the Moon
You are the wildflower in bloom
You are the Life-throb
That pulsates, dances
From a speck of dust
To the most distant star

And you and I
Were never separate
It's just an illusion
Wrought by the magical lens of
Perception

Let us celebrate
The Joy of Life
Let us dance
The Dance of Creation

Curving back within ourselves
We create
Again and again
Endless cycles come and go
We rejoice
In the infinitude of Time

There never was a time
When I was not
Or you were not
There never will be a time
When we will cease to be

Infinite — Unbounded
In the Ocean of Consciousness
We are like ripples
In the Sea of Bliss

You and I were never separate
It's just an illusion
Wrought by the magical lens of
Perception

Heaven is Here
Right now is the moment
of Eternity
Don't fool yourself
Reclaim your Bliss

Once you were lost
But now you're home
In a nonlocal Universe
There is nowhere to go From Here to Here
Is the Unbounded
Ocean of Consciousness
We are like ripples
In the Sea of Bliss

Come, let us dance
The Dance of Creation
Let us celebrate
The Joy of Life

And You and I were never separate
It's just an illusion
Wrought by the magical lens of
Perception

Heaven is Here
Right now, this moment of Eternity
Don't fool yourself
Reclaim your Bliss

Michael Jackson  (I Love You)

There must be more to life than living…

5:52 am
July 27, 2009


Anna.K

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Post edited 10:53 pm – July 27, 2009 by Anna.K


I am indeed a bit worried about the emotional state of some posters…. 

So, right now, Michael Jackson has passed away. I have already “mourned” him – I did cry when I heard the news, reflected and rediscovered his work, went to a tribute show where I live with my best friend (whom I met over a Michael Jackson song lol !).
Really, he's a musical legend and a great humanitarian – and his music will never die.

I understand the way he transcended generations, time and the rational to really get through people's hearts.

However, we did not know him personally – we love him but on a “true fan” level, which does not mean it's a lesser kind of love, but it sure is a different one than the love you have and give to your own friends and family. We were not his family, his lovers, or even his true friends.

So, please, don't throw your life away on this – I want to believe that Michael Jackson would want people to live on.
 

“With such confusions, don’t it make you wanna scream ?”

5:56 am
July 27, 2009


jewell

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Anna.K said:

Post edited 5:53 am – July 27, 2009 by Anna.K


I am indeed a bit worried about the emotional state of some posters…. 

So, right now, Michael Jackson has passed away. I have already “mourned” him – I did cry when I heard the news, reflected and rediscovered his work, went to a tribute show where I live with my best friend (whom I met over a Michael Jackson song lol !).
Really, he's a musical legend and a great humanitarian – and his music will never die.

I understand the way he transcended generations, time and the rational to really get through people's hearts.

However, we did not know him personally – we love him but on a “true fan” level, which does not mean it's a lesser kind of love, but it sure is a different one than the love you have and give to your own friends and family. We were not his family, his lovers, or even his true friends.

So, please, don't throw your life away on this – I want to believe that Michael Jackson would want people to live on.
 


VERY well said, Anna!!!  Bravo!!!

To find the truth… I like to play Devil’s Advocate… Please don’t let that upset you!

5:57 am
July 27, 2009


mysterylady

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I agree with you as well. There are many loop holes to MJ's death and a lot of things don't add up but we all have to face that possibility sooner or later.If you really think about it, no matter how much we miss MJ and want him back so we can celebrate his life together with him, death is a part of life,it's human nature. It is inevitable and we have to learn to accept loss and move on. Im sure Michael wouldn't want us to mourn like this.Remember everything MJ did,he did it for his fans. He gave us 45 years of his life by bringing us the most beautiful music we ever heard, changing the game all together, creating dances&moves we never seen before, opening  doors for African Americans in the entertainment industry, unifying people together as one by putting an end to racial barriers,showing love and care for people all over the world as a true humanitarian by being the most charitable artist ever in history.

Now when we start to feel sad and want Michael to be there with us, think about all the aforementioned qualities and accomplishments listed above.How many people do we know (in the spotlight or not) who worked so hard and achieved so much, perfecting everything they do now and forever ? Now be happy that he was abe to do what he did so well while he was here .He was a gift and will live on forever within our hearts.Consider yourselves fortunate to have known him and his music.Because there will never be another like him

6:02 am
July 27, 2009


souza81

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mysterylady said:

I agree with you as well. There are many loop holes to MJ's death and a lot of things don't add up but we all have to face that possibility sooner or later.If you really think about it, no matter how much we miss MJ and want him back so we can celebrate his life together with him, death is a part of life,it's human nature. It is inevitable and we have to learn to accept loss and move on. Im sure Michael wouldn't want us to mourn like this.Remember everything MJ did,he did it for his fans. He gave us 45 years of his life by bringing us the most beautiful music we ever heard, changing the game all together, creating dances&moves we never seen before, opening  doors for African Americans in the entertainment industry, unifying people together as one by putting an end to racial barriers,showing love and care for people all over the world as a true humanitarian by being the most charitable artist ever in history.

Now when we start to feel sad and want Michael to be there with us, think about all the aforementioned qualities and accomplishments listed above.How many people do we know (in the spotlight or not) who worked so hard and achieved so much, perfecting everything they do now and forever ? Now be happy that he was abe to do what he did so well while he was here .He was a gift and will live on forever within our hearts.Consider yourselves fortunate to have known him and his music.Because there will never be another like him


AMEN!

He looked me deep in the eyes He’s touchin’ me so to start He says there’s no turnin’ back He trapped me into his heart!

6:32 am
July 27, 2009


Another.Part.Of.Me

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mysterylady said:

I agree with you as well. There are many loop holes to MJ's death and a lot of things don't add up but we all have to face that possibility sooner or later.If you really think about it, no matter how much we miss MJ and want him back so we can celebrate his life together with him, death is a part of life,it's human nature. It is inevitable and we have to learn to accept loss and move on. Im sure Michael wouldn't want us to mourn like this.Remember everything MJ did,he did it for his fans. He gave us 45 years of his life by bringing us the most beautiful music we ever heard, changing the game all together, creating dances&moves we never seen before, opening  doors for African Americans in the entertainment industry, unifying people together as one by putting an end to racial barriers,showing love and care for people all over the world as a true humanitarian by being the most charitable artist ever in history.

Now when we start to feel sad and want Michael to be there with us, think about all the aforementioned qualities and accomplishments listed above.How many people do we know (in the spotlight or not) who worked so hard and achieved so much, perfecting everything they do now and forever ? Now be happy that he was abe to do what he did so well while he was here .He was a gift and will live on forever within our hearts.Consider yourselves fortunate to have known him and his music.Because there will never be another like him


Agreed. I mourned at first when I first heard, it was stunning and shocking news, I'm sure you'll all agree.

The way I look at it is, yes, there are cracks and inconsistencies but they may just be, it may not necessarily be a hoax, people could just be that unthinking/unfeeling/money-hungry greedy etc etc.
We have been privileged to live in a time where we had Michael's music and inspiration and in our own way we have been able to share that with him as 'fans' even if we don't know him personally. We have had such a fantastic example of a giving, loving, generous human being in our midst and celebrating his life and continuing his legacy should be key.

We may never get the answers that people are desperately seeking on here, we may never get beyond what we already know, and investing emotions into a site like this trying to debunk a conspiracy theory/hoax and never getting anywhere could potentially break people on here.
I think taking a step back and at least entertaining the thought that he may actually be gone. Just don't do anything drastic if he really has, be prepared for the worst case scenario but don't lose yourself over it.

Michael would never, ever want his fans to kill themselves, he celebrated life and he is the most alive person ever on stage, there will never be anyone else like him and he was/is a gift for us. Look at it this way – if he really has gone then he is at peace, and if this is all an elaborate hoax then he is at peace. If he was murdered then hopefully the people responsible will be brought to justice and we can carry on celebrating and loving the Michael we know and love. 

Apologies for the length but I felt compelled to reply because I was quite shocked and surprised at the level of animosity on Unknown's 'no hoax' thread.

In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.

7:16 am
July 27, 2009


Human nature

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Post edited 1:00 am – July 29, 2009 by ♪♥ Julie ♥♪


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Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, aggravation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Bang bang, shot dead
Everybody's gone mad

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of hate
You're rapin' me of my pride
Oh, for God's sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy…
Set me free

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
trepidation, speculation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
black man, black male
Throw your brother in jail

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I do really hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, speculation
Everybody litigation
Beat me, bash me
You can never trash me
Hit me, kick me
You can never get me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Some things in life they just don't wanna see
But if Martin Luther was livin'
He wouldn't let this be

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, segregation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Kick me, strike me
Don't you wrong or right me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us


“I am bewildered at the length to which people will go to portray me so negatively,” –…“The greatest education in the world is watching the masters at work.”…”Before you judge me, try hard to love me”-MJ- Now who can respect that?

7:35 am
July 27, 2009


Dutch

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It is indeed shocking how people react. First of all, death is a part/fact of life and sooner or later everyone dies, nothing to be scared of really. Michael Jackson wouldn't be an exception to that rule….so at all times there's the possibility he really passed, despite the enormous amount of fog, contradictions and inconsistencies. The things which are really scary are the circumstances surrounding MJ's “death” and how the media collectively is brainf..king the consumer. Not only now, but all our lives (the corporations behind the) media is trying to get in our heads and once they're there, they're hard to move out.

Just face it, what do “we” normal people have to work with? All we have is media coverage and most are observing the media through colored glasses. Somehow I think for quite some people the capability of being objective and rational went down the drain over the recent weeks and emotions are taking over 100%. If you ask me that is not good and even dangerous. 

Also…..if someone comes here who claims to be a part of the inner circle of MJ, many people want proof. I wonder, what kind of proof do you expect? Phonenumbers? Pictures of a live and well MJ holding a newspaper in his hands with the headlines about MJ being dead? Pictures of MJ being examined by the coroner (pretty morbid wish if you ask me)? I think a lot of people will never accept any proof and will always find reasons to object to anything pointing to MJ being alive or dead. Any image of a live or dead MJ will always be questioned…there will always be people claiming the live one is an imposter, or the dead one was not the real MJ. 


I'm still betting on two horses…..and will keep doing that until some autopsy reports have been published and some questions have been answered and I'm sure before the end of next month some things will be cleared up.

7:48 am
July 27, 2009


Human nature

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Post edited 1:01 am – July 29, 2009 by ♪♥ Julie ♥♪


Human Nature lyrics
[1st Verse]
Looking Out
Across The Night-Time
The City Winks A Sleepless Eye
Hear Her Voice
Shake My Window
Sweet Seducing Sighs

[2nd Verse]
Get Me Out
Into The Night-Time
Four Walls Won't Hold Me Tonight
If This Town
Is Just An Apple
Then Let Me Take A Bite

[Chorus]
If They Say -
Why, Why, Tell 'Em That Is Human Nature
Why, Why, Does He Do Me That Way
If They Say -
Why, Why, Tell 'Em That Is Human Nature
Why, Why, Does He Do Me That Way

[3rd Verse]
Reaching Out
To Touch A Stranger
Electric Eyes Are Ev'rywhere
See That Girl
She Knows I'm Watching
She Likes The Way I Stare

[Chorus]
If They Say -
Why, Why, Tell 'Em That Is Human Nature
Why, Why, Does He Do Me That Way
If They Say -
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Why, Why, Does He Do Me That Way
I Like Livin' This Way
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Looking Out
Across The Morning
The City's Heart Begins To Beat
Reaching Out
I Touch Her Shoulder
I'm Dreaming Of The Street

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Why, Why, Does He Do Me That Way
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“I am bewildered at the length to which people will go to portray me so negatively,” –…“The greatest education in the world is watching the masters at work.”…”Before you judge me, try hard to love me”-MJ- Now who can respect that?

8:12 am
July 27, 2009


Cherry

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souza81 said:

Hi guys,


As much as I want Michael to be still alive, I really was stunned by the reaction to the no hoax!! post. Let's not forget that he might really be dead. A lot of people will be enormously disappointed when it turns out that MJ really died. To me he is dead until proven not. I have not posted my movie-theory just for fun, I really think it could be the truth, but I'm not taking it for the real truth until I know for sure.

Please don't take the hoax for the absolute truth, but just hope it is the truth, so it will be less of a shock when it turns out to be not a hoax. I'm really freaked out by the reactions, please comfort me and tell me you're not all going to jump off a bridge if he's really dead….


 Totally agree and we all must have the mind open to both possibilities (dead or alive); some people must be careful with themselves, it's not good to cling only to the idea that this is a hoax,that Michael is alive, we just don't know, there are many things that don't add up but it doesn't mean that it's a hoax, but that there are strange things surrounding this ''death''.

I would like the movie theory to be true, that's for sure.

(sorry for my English) I wish you, Michael, to be in peace forever, wherever you are, dead or alive. From a non (always) fan, who have always respected him profoundly

8:54 am
July 27, 2009


pinkrose35

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I do accept that there is a possibility that Michael is dead. In fact I go back and forth almost every day between this is a hoax and he is dead.  To me there is no proof either way. Right now I believe in the hoax not because I refuse to accept that he could die, but because there are to many unanswered questions and lies. If and when it turns out he is dead, I will not jump off a bridge or do anything drastic. I still have a family to take care of. I would be sad of course and my heart would hurt for awhile, but I would always remember Michael. His music, his message and his unconditional love. Whether he is alive or dead we may never know the truth but either Michael is always in my heart. I love you more.

9:33 am
July 27, 2009


shyone

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I totally agree with all of you. I did cry when I heard that Michael had died. I didn't know why I was so emotional, but then I realized it was because he was a part of my childhood. I loved the Jackson 5, Jacksons and Michael Jackson. Off the Wall! was the best record album ever. He schocked us when he came out with Thriller. He was a genuius and was always competing with himself to do better and top the previous project he had finished. While I did believe that this was a hoax because of the inconsistencies surrounding his passing, I also realized that there could be the possiblity that he was truly gone. Whatever the truth is I will be able to accept it. Life is a precious gift from God. There is no one on this earth that I would take my life for. As someone said before. We weren't Michael's friend, lover, family member or anything of that nature. We admired him from a distance. I appeciate the fact that he left his legacy in music and short films. He set the standard! I will always love Michael Jackson for everything he gave me from a distance. Keep the Faith!

9:37 am
July 27, 2009


mjfan

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souza81 said:

Hi guys,


As much as I want Michael to be still alive, I really was stunned by the reaction to the no hoax!! post. Let's not forget that he might really be dead. A lot of people will be enormously disappointed when it turns out that MJ really died. To me he is dead until proven not. I have not posted my movie-theory just for fun, I really think it could be the truth, but I'm not taking it for the real truth until I know for sure.

Please don't take the hoax for the absolute truth, but just hope it is the truth, so it will be less of a shock when it turns out to be not a hoax. I'm really freaked out by the reactions, please comfort me and tell me you're not all going to jump off a bridge if he's really dead….


LOL.  I didn't become a BIG MJ fan until after he died and I did a lot of research.  I'd been a casual fan before, I just didn't understand my reaction to his death.  I cried at the memorial. I did the mourning thing.  I accepted AT THAT TIME that he was dead.  Then later I've found all these weird things that don't add up.  I think it would be great if he was alive because I missed out on being able to be a part of michaelmania the first time and it would be great to be a big fan WITH him alive.  Instead of after he's dead.

But, I don't accept that he's alive, I just think it's a possibility.  If he was alive I'd be thrilled, but if he's dead I can easily accept that too.  There are a few pieces of evidence to his death that I'm waiting on.  When those things happen I'll accept for sure that he has passed.


I believe MJ is a spiritual avatar and as such, he's not ever going to die.  I don't think ANYONE ever really dies because of spirit, but I mean MJ isn't ever going to die “for us.”  For people who weren't ever going to get to meet Michael in person or see a concert, he's MORE alive dead.  (If that makes sense.)

I also think the man had a hard life and deserves to rest in peace.  If MJ is dead this is MOST sad for his kids.  Though he is likely watching over them.  Still. 


I'm honestly having a hard time understanding why fans are SO distraught  by the physical death of someone most of them never personally met.  This is no offense to anyone intended.  Physical death IMO is not the same thing as nonexistence.  What difference does it make to YOU if MJ is alive on the spiritual plane, or alive in Romania or Spain or something if you probably wouldn't physically meet or talk to him anyway?  His existence is still existence.


Maybe you'll miss the music, but we'll always have the music, and with all the music in the vault we're getting MORE music.  There were only so many years MJ was going to be able to dance like that, so live performances really were coming to an end.  He wanted to move behind the camera and direct.


I'm REALLY trying to understand what difference it makes to fans who never met him… whether he is alive on the spiritual plane or alive in Romania or something.  I can understand mourning for the kids, and I can understand the people who WERE MJ's friends, but the rest it's just really hard for me to fully grok it.  Don't you get, alive or dead, physically… he's still ALIVE.  Even if spiritually?  And I can understand the upset of someone who doesn't believe in an afterlife or spiritual reality, but it's hard for me to grok it for everybody else.  Just saying.  Again, NO offense intended and I'm not trying to make light of ANYBODY'S grief, I just think maybe some people aren't looking at the bigger picture here.

9:37 am
July 27, 2009


Rachel

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pinkrose35 said:

I do accept that there is a possibility that Michael is dead. In fact I go back and forth almost every day between this is a hoax and he is dead.  To me there is no proof either way. Right now I believe in the hoax not because I refuse to accept that he could die, but because there are to many unanswered questions and lies. If and when it turns out he is dead, I will not jump off a bridge or do anything drastic. I still have a family to take care of. I would be sad of course and my heart would hurt for awhile, but I would always remember Michael. His music, his message and his unconditional love. Whether he is alive or dead we may never know the truth but either Michael is always in my heart. I love you more.


I totally agree with your post. I also believe Michael is still alive for the same reasons. I'm sure that they are questions that could be answered with a simple explanation but yet people are still being mysterious and coy about the whole thing.


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9:42 am
July 27, 2009


emo_pinkt

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mjfan said:

souza81 said:

Hi guys,


As much as I want Michael to be still alive, I really was stunned by the reaction to the no hoax!! post. Let's not forget that he might really be dead. A lot of people will be enormously disappointed when it turns out that MJ really died. To me he is dead until proven not. I have not posted my movie-theory just for fun, I really think it could be the truth, but I'm not taking it for the real truth until I know for sure.

Please don't take the hoax for the absolute truth, but just hope it is the truth, so it will be less of a shock when it turns out to be not a hoax. I'm really freaked out by the reactions, please comfort me and tell me you're not all going to jump off a bridge if he's really dead….


LOL.  I didn't become a BIG MJ fan until after he died and I did a lot of research.  I'd been a casual fan before, I just didn't understand my reaction to his death.  I cried at the memorial. I did the mourning thing.  I accepted AT THAT TIME that he was dead.  Then later I've found all these weird things that don't add up.  I think it would be great if he was alive because I missed out on being able to be a part of michaelmania the first time and it would be great to be a big fan WITH him alive.  Instead of after he's dead.

But, I don't accept that he's alive, I just think it's a possibility.  If he was alive I'd be thrilled, but if he's dead I can easily accept that too.  There are a few pieces of evidence to his death that I'm waiting on.  When those things happen I'll accept for sure that he has passed.


I believe MJ is a spiritual avatar and as such, he's not ever going to die.  I don't think ANYONE ever really dies because of spirit, but I mean MJ isn't ever going to die “for us.”  For people who weren't ever going to get to meet Michael in person or see a concert, he's MORE alive dead.  (If that makes sense.)

I also think the man had a hard life and deserves to rest in peace.  If MJ is dead this is MOST sad for his kids.  Though he is likely watching over them.  Still. 


I'm honestly having a hard time understanding why fans are SO distraught  by the physical death of someone most of them never personally met.  This is no offense to anyone intended.  Physical death IMO is not the same thing as nonexistence.  What difference does it make to YOU if MJ is alive on the spiritual plane, or alive in Romania or Spain or something if you probably wouldn't physically meet or talk to him anyway?  His existence is still existence.


Maybe you'll miss the music, but we'll always have the music, and with all the music in the vault we're getting MORE music.  There were only so many years MJ was going to be able to dance like that, so live performances really were coming to an end.  He wanted to move behind the camera and direct.


I'm REALLY trying to understand what difference it makes to fans who never met him… whether he is alive on the spiritual plane or alive in Romania or something.  I can understand mourning for the kids, and I can understand the people who WERE MJ's friends, but the rest it's just really hard for me to fully grok it.  Don't you get, alive or dead, physically… he's still ALIVE.  Even if spiritually?  And I can understand the upset of someone who doesn't believe in an afterlife or spiritual reality, but it's hard for me to grok it for everybody else.  Just saying.  Again, NO offense intended and I'm not trying to make light of ANYBODY'S grief, I just think maybe some people aren't looking at the bigger picture here.


I agreeeee

***RIP Michael Jackson**

9:45 am
July 27, 2009


SILVANA

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CHILE

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Michael is alive to me until I see the sad truth in front of my eyes.    Gee I really would like to jump off a bridge if I were single… I have a husband to take care of…

MJ came to this world to leave us a message of peace and hope for everybody, but not everybody understood, that's the problem.

I can't forget his words at the superbowl… This Time We Must Succeed.

LOVE YOU FOREVER.

LOOK WITH YOUR HEART…

10:06 am
July 27, 2009


elde

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Post edited 3:08 am – July 28, 2009 by elde


mjfan said:

souza81 said:

Hi guys,


As much as I want Michael to be still alive, I really was stunned by the reaction to the no hoax!! post. Let's not forget that he might really be dead. A lot of people will be enormously disappointed when it turns out that MJ really died. To me he is dead until proven not. I have not posted my movie-theory just for fun, I really think it could be the truth, but I'm not taking it for the real truth until I know for sure.

Please don't take the hoax for the absolute truth, but just hope it is the truth, so it will be less of a shock when it turns out to be not a hoax. I'm really freaked out by the reactions, please comfort me and tell me you're not all going to jump off a bridge if he's really dead….


LOL.  I didn't become a BIG MJ fan until after he died and I did a lot of research.  I'd been a casual fan before, I just didn't understand my reaction to his death.  I cried at the memorial. I did the mourning thing.  I accepted AT THAT TIME that he was dead.  Then later I've found all these weird things that don't add up.  I think it would be great if he was alive because I missed out on being able to be a part of michaelmania the first time and it would be great to be a big fan WITH him alive.  Instead of after he's dead.

But, I don't accept that he's alive, I just think it's a possibility.  If he was alive I'd be thrilled, but if he's dead I can easily accept that too.  There are a few pieces of evidence to his death that I'm waiting on.  When those things happen I'll accept for sure that he has passed.


I believe MJ is a spiritual avatar and as such, he's not ever going to die.  I don't think ANYONE ever really dies because of spirit, but I mean MJ isn't ever going to die “for us.”  For people who weren't ever going to get to meet Michael in person or see a concert, he's MORE alive dead.  (If that makes sense.)

I also think the man had a hard life and deserves to rest in peace.  If MJ is dead this is MOST sad for his kids.  Though he is likely watching over them.  Still. 


I'm honestly having a hard time understanding why fans are SO distraught  by the physical death of someone most of them never personally met.  This is no offense to anyone intended.  Physical death IMO is not the same thing as nonexistence.  What difference does it make to YOU if MJ is alive on the spiritual plane, or alive in Romania or Spain or something if you probably wouldn't physically meet or talk to him anyway?  His existence is still existence.


Maybe you'll miss the music, but we'll always have the music, and with all the music in the vault we're getting MORE music.  There were only so many years MJ was going to be able to dance like that, so live performances really were coming to an end.  He wanted to move behind the camera and direct.


I'm REALLY trying to understand what difference it makes to fans who never met him… whether he is alive on the spiritual plane or alive in Romania or something.  I can understand mourning for the kids, and I can understand the people who WERE MJ's friends, but the rest it's just really hard for me to fully grok it.  Don't you get, alive or dead, physically… he's still ALIVE.  Even if spiritually?  And I can understand the upset of someone who doesn't believe in an afterlife or spiritual reality, but it's hard for me to grok it for everybody else.  Just saying.  Again, NO offense intended and I'm not trying to make light of ANYBODY'S grief, I just think maybe some people aren't looking at the bigger picture here.


I so agree with you. In the early civilizations (Greeks, Romans) when they said 'we're gonna silence you' it did not mean we're gonna kill you, it literally ment we're not gonna talk to you anymore…. it ment that a living person could walk around everywhere he wanted without being noticed and without being spoken to, without his questions being answered, without his distress being noticed, without being moarned in the afterlive….. MJ will always be alive, in the flesh or in the mind…; And most important of all..in the heart!!

10:37 am
July 27, 2009


sita

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i still have hope, although less than some days ago

dont forget: LOOK WITH YOUR HEART

2:45 am
July 29, 2009


elena_v

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I do completely agree with you Souza…by the way some people still believe that ELVIS still alive…and about Michael…if he is alive possible that he will never come back…it s his choise ind IF it s true we have to respect it. What do you think?

3:32 am
July 29, 2009


FoundMe

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Canada

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25

I have been following this site for a few weeks now and would like to put forth this idea: (if the following has already been put forth by another poster, please accept my apologies)

 

 Referring back to #437 (the numbers I have quoted are under “Do you believe?” heading at the top of the page)) who suggested we go view this link:

http://www.reidopop.com/mjbeat…..php?t=2383 (for those who care)

 

And coupled with this link from #449:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/2009/0…..-21554805/

  

Now, could it be possible, since  E’ Casanova is announcing the end of his career due to a life threatening illness, as he states in the farewell poem (?), that he could have been at MJs house in his final months, because they were friends (as far as I know).  That’s why all the oxygen tanks were found, plus IV drip, medication, etc. Also, this may be why this Dr. Murray was brought in???  As far as I can see (as per the link in # 449), no one was allowed upstairs in MJs house except MJ, his children and the DR. 

Then maybe E’Casanova dies sooner than expected (this is all speculation on my part) so the hoax plan goes ahead with the imposter posing as MJ???  Since there has been NO pictures of the real MJ (I believe this site has already established the ambulance picture as fake or an earlier photo of Michael about 1995??) since all this started, it would be easy to replace the real Michael with the imposter Michael. 

As to the DNA that may be taken from the fake Micheal posing as real Michael, it wouldn’t have to match with the childrens’ as there has been lots of speculation as to whether Michael is the real father or not.  They would just put it down to “See I told you Michael wasn’t the real father.” 

I hope you are following me so far.

Then while all this confusion is happening, the real Michael goes ahead with the rest of his plan to go into hiding??

Check out Casanova’s myspace:  http://www.myspace.com/ecasanovafansite

He is the closest look a like to Michael I have seen.  More so than Navi.

 Let me know what you all think

There Ain’t No Place Like This Place Anywhere Near This Place So This Must Be The Place

4:48 am
July 29, 2009


eva05

Member

posts 91

26

I was just thinking, for me these are all probable:


- MJ hoaxing death, living peacefully somewhere, never coming back (i'm happy for him)

- MJ hoaxing death; movie theory, possible comeback (hooray!!)

- MJ initially planning a hoax, but something went horribly wrong in which case… he is gone

- no hoax, just greedy individuals trying to cash out on his death

If it turns out MJ is really gone, I will find comfort in knowing all the suffering is behind him now and his spirit is in a better place.

7:49 am
July 29, 2009


ziggystardust

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Post edited 12:53 am – July 30, 2009 by ziggystardust


he may be dead, but there are so many questions that haven't been answered yet, that maybe never will be answered. i just wish somebody would tell us the truth

10:40 am
July 29, 2009


Morgana

Member

posts 341

28

I know some of us are feeling really low at the moment, so I've included two links below for some light relief!

The first one is a website that does all the MJ songs and videos to watch, and the second link has brilliant photos  of MJ to save (click to enlarge pic then save it).  It's not earthshaking news, but nice to go through if you're feeling down.  Apologies if anyone has already seen these sites.


http://www.artistdirect.com/ar…..son/448122 

http://www.starpulse.com/Music…..y/3806102/ 

11:50 am
July 29, 2009


jpresley

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Houston TX

posts 111

29

I'm having a very bad day.  I know it is absolutely crazy to feel this way because I never physically met Michael, but my heart actually hurts at the idea of him being truly gone.  My heart hurts every day I see him more vilified and slandered in the media (that he hated).  I just have such overwhelming sadness (w/ periods of levity in between, of course) because I feel like even in death he is continuing to suffer all the indignities he experienced in life.  I just want to make it all better for him and yet I know that it's impossible to do so. 

I have been a lifelong Elvis freak and remember mourning his death as a Kindergartner (yes, I was strange even then).  I literally grew up dreaming of marrying JFK Jr. and when he died I remember how devasted I felt.  The same goes with Princess Di.  I watched her wedding to Prince Charles when I was 8 years old and when I was 25 I got up at 3 AM and watched her funeral procession.  I cried my eyes out as did most of the world.  Because, you see, even though we never physically met these people, they have all been part of our collective conscious and, well, our lives.  With respect specifically to Princess Di and Michael, they really did try (and IMO were successful) to make the world a better place.

Someone with Michael's unmatched talent and humility and ultimate goodness is very rare.  It's not something we are going to see again in this lifetime.  Regardless if Michael really died or indeed pulled off a hoax, I just want him to have peace.  I would also like to have a little peace myself and until we know more of what happened, until people are brought to justice for their part in it, I will not.  Who is speaking for Michael now?  US.

12:05 pm
July 29, 2009


pumpkin

Member

England

posts 166

30

Yes I agree with these sentiments and it's nice to have something positive to think about and look at. I cried when Princess Diana died but not like I have with Michael. To me they were one and the same, of humility and compassion and I know I am repeating the last post but the world will be a sadder place If Michael has gone – people of this calibre come along very rarely in our lives and someone else said in another post (sorry for saying things over) that I really don't want to have to live out my life which could be 25 or more years (hopefully) in a world without Michael Jackson – so I don't know what I will do if he has gone – so therefore my faith has to be in that he is alive (just wish he would let us know or that someone somewhere could say something that we could all believe was true) because I need my live to get back to normal – whatever that was before this.

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