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6:46 am
July 23, 2009


henda11

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Post edited 11:47 pm – July 23, 2009 by henda11


Ok guys, watch the video again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..uXRaJFdmKU

Now focus on the guy recording it and the guy at the side taking the photo. Now when the ambulance is reversing and turning out it comes nowhere within the area of the red car, so there wouldnt of been any reflection of the red car in the window.

Now watch the guy with the camera recording the video turn around and run. You see the red car, so watch the ambulance turning out and the guy taking the photo?, the ambulance is no where near that red car for there to be some sort of reflection when taking the photo?


ALL SO NOT TO MENTION THAT FACT THAT THERE DID'NT EVEN PUT THERE SIRENS ON. I MEAN COME ON, ITS MICHAEL JACKSON IN THE BACK OF THE DAMN AMBULANCE!! OR IS IT!!!

“Excuse me, Yooohooo, i’ll take this one ” – Funny MJ Moment

6:49 am
July 23, 2009


holland

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i agree

6:58 am
July 23, 2009


Swagger

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Can anyone that has video editing SW download the flick and zoom while the ambulance backs? I'm not sure but I might have seen a red car inside the gate…Maybe the foto was taken before the ambulance left the property

The intuition of free will gives us the truth.

7:02 am
July 23, 2009


ballongiraf

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why did it drive out reversed? That takes way longer.

Some would say that the ambulance was so slow and the sirene wasnt on because he was already dead when they arrived. BUT, if he was long gone, then why did they intubate him, hook him up on oxygen and CPR? Either way it doesnt make sense.

7:02 am
July 23, 2009


hope

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Hmm l also read that MJ know the guy who took the

ambulance photo… he`s norweigen and has fallowed MJ for 8 or 9 years…

Odd?


carroj1@hotmail.com

7:04 am
July 23, 2009


Swagger

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@hope, where have you read that?

The intuition of free will gives us the truth.

7:05 am
July 23, 2009


holland

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i go crazy but i think you can see treu the window at 1.29 can anyone mace it more clearly

7:07 am
July 23, 2009


henda11

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when the camera man goes around the side of the ambulance take alook in the tinted window..you seee no red car or kind of reflection

“Excuse me, Yooohooo, i’ll take this one ” – Funny MJ Moment

7:07 am
July 23, 2009


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hope said:

Hmm l also read that MJ know the guy who took the

ambulance photo… he`s norweigen and has fallowed MJ for 8 or 9 years…

Odd?



I did see a youtube interview vid with the photog who took the picture, I'm sure the link was on here somewhere cant remember where sorry! But in the footage they showed you could see a photog at the door of the ambulance and at the side window taking pictures. The guy was explaining what was happening along with the footage. I'm sure it was called 'the last picture of michael jackson' or similar

7:09 am
July 23, 2009


hope

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carroj1@hotmail.com

7:39 am
July 23, 2009


VanillaCream

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Post edited 12:47 am – July 24, 2009 by VanillaCream


 The red car with ambulance at right side in pic (as you can see there are other cars on the street too): http://up.picr.de/2622020.jpg

Sombebody´s sitting in that car (the driver maybe cleared the street for the ambulance when the ambulance pic of MJ was taken): http://up.picr.de/2622021.jpg


EDIT: the sirens started maybe later unforutnatelly the film´s so short.

Ambulance drives backwards maybe because there were too much cars (in one vid you can see that there are 2 or 3 cars follow the ambulance) in the exit to turn around.

Many maybes huh?

7:39 am
July 23, 2009


clover

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hope said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..VR-HSc2aM4


Thanks hope! I was just going to try and find it! saved me the trouble bless ya

7:43 am
July 23, 2009


Swagger

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The red car is far from the ambulance… the camera guy has to run a couple of yards to get to that car…

The intuition of free will gives us the truth.

7:54 am
July 23, 2009


ishealive

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Out of all this what is the answer – Is that really Michael Jackson in the ambulance?

7:57 am
July 23, 2009


BASIL

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hi guys 

 i think we make bloody good detectives ! everyone has found so much stuff out !

maybe we should take over this investigation at least we would ask the right questions and not listen to anymore of this BS that keeps coming out!

7:58 am
July 23, 2009


mjfan

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henda11 said:

Post edited 6:47 am – July 23, 2009 by henda11


Ok guys, watch the video again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..uXRaJFdmKU

Now focus on the guy recording it and the guy at the side taking the photo. Now when the ambulance is reversing and turning out it comes nowhere within the area of the red car, so there wouldnt of been any reflection of the red car in the window.

Now watch the guy with the camera recording the video turn around and run. You see the red car, so watch the ambulance turning out and the guy taking the photo?, the ambulance is no where near that red car for there to be some sort of reflection when taking the photo?


ALL SO NOT TO MENTION THAT FACT THAT THERE DID'NT EVEN PUT THERE SIRENS ON. I MEAN COME ON, ITS MICHAEL JACKSON IN THE BACK OF THE DAMN AMBULANCE!! OR IS IT!!!


 personally I think and have thought that the ambulance photo is faked.  I mean let's get real, how hard would it be to stage this photo with either a guy or some kind of doll that vaguely looks like MJ?  I'm not saying this means MJ is alive.  I'm saying this means no photographs turned out and the dude at TMZ a TABLOID, knew that there were NO photos of MJ.  The “last photo of MJ” was sold to ET for $750,000.  That is quite an incentive to fake a photo.


Again this has NOTHING to do with whether or not MJ is alive or dead.  All it has to do with is that there is no way to conclusively prove the photo is in fact MJ, there was a lot to gain monetarily for faking such a photo, and tabloid reporters aren't exactly the most honest and credible people in the world, so the idea of one of them faking a photo for some money isn't really all that shocking or hard to believe.


So IMO at this time there is NO photo of MJ either dead or in the hospital.  There is no security tape that shows this, there is NO evidence of any kind.  There is no signed death certificate, there was no open casket, there are a lot of questions and no answers.


Again, not saying it means MJ is alive, but there has been precious little in the way of evidence that he's dead.

8:00 am
July 23, 2009


ballongiraf

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Post edited 1:01 am – July 24, 2009 by ballongiraf


I searched for the inside of LAFD ambulance and here you can see the window on the side (behind the little boy on the bench)


When the patient is on the stretcher, the patient is not in level with the window. But if you look at this pic:

MJ is in the same level as the photographer. How is that possible?


8:02 am
July 23, 2009


mjfan

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Also, what is up with that second ambulance at the residence after the first ambulance went away?

8:03 am
July 23, 2009


mjfan

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ballongiraf said:

why did it drive out reversed? That takes way longer.

Some would say that the ambulance was so slow and the sirene wasnt on because he was already dead when they arrived. BUT, if he was long gone, then why did they intubate him, hook him up on oxygen and CPR? Either way it doesnt make sense.


That's a really good point.  If he was already dead and there was no hope, they would have covered him with a white sheet, not kept going.  If he was alive and they were working on him, which apparently seemed to be the case, they would have the sirens on.

8:06 am
July 23, 2009


mjfan

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BASIL said:

hi guys 

 i think we make bloody good detectives ! everyone has found so much stuff out !

maybe we should take over this investigation at least we would ask the right questions and not listen to anymore of this BS that keeps coming out!


LOL it does seem a bit like the LAPD is run by a bunch of Barney Fife's.

8:09 am
July 23, 2009


mjfan

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ballongiraf said:

Post edited 8:01 am – July 23, 2009 by ballongiraf


I searched for the inside of LAFD ambulance and here you can see the window on the side (behind the little boy on the bench)


When the patient is on the stretcher, the patient is not in level with the window. But if you look at this pic:

MJ is in the same level as the photographer. How is that possible?



The picture you show here of “dead or dying MJ” is a close up.  I think we'd need to see the FULL panned back photograph in order to try to determine this issue you're talking about.

8:10 am
July 23, 2009


hope

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Yes… and someone said: he was alive in the ambulance, but why no sirens then?

and they dont seem in rush…? (to me at least) And why the nurse doing cpr

almoust at his shoulder…?

carroj1@hotmail.com

8:12 am
July 23, 2009


ballongiraf

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mjfan said:

ballongiraf said:

Post edited 8:01 am – July 23, 2009 by ballongiraf


I searched for the inside of LAFD ambulance and here you can see the window on the side (behind the little boy on the bench)


When the patient is on the stretcher, the patient is not in level with the window. But if you look at this pic:

MJ is in the same level as the photographer. How is that possible?



The picture you show here of “dead or dying MJ” is a close up.  I think we'd need to see the FULL panned back photograph in order to try to determine this issue you're talking about.


here is the uncropped pic


8:16 am
July 23, 2009


mjfan

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hmmm.  Looking at the uncropped picture I don't think it looks like he's on the same level of him.  It looks like the guy is in the ambulance in the normal way.  Though I do think these guys have an awful lot of leg room for a tiny ambulance.

8:20 am
July 23, 2009


Anna.K

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Good find about the ambulance !


Another thing :

911 caller states clearly that Michael Jackson (aka “the gentleman”) is NOT BREATHING / UNCONSCIOUS.

Here are the TWO pictures of that “last MJ Moment” – Yes, guys, there are indeed TWO pictures.

 The subtle differences in those two pictures reside in : the red car reflection, the position of the paramedic's knee and, if you really look at it, MJ's “facial expression” (his face looks a tiny bit more relaxed in the 1st one IMO) 

OK, so look at those pictures – “MJ” is FROWNING. How can someone who's unconscious FROWN ? YET he was apparently unconscious all the way from home to the hospital : reports are conflicting as to where exactly, he technically died.
Impossible that it was “too late” and that he died at home (which, if he did, could have explained the “no sirens/no rushing” thing) –  the guy in the pic does not look dead (in pain, sure, maybe on the verge of death etc…) to me.

What I'm trying to say here : I don't know if that means he's alive, I don't. BUT there's SOMETHING clearly wrong with the picture and I think it's important we actually really dig deeper into this.


Thank you for pointing out the inconsistencies on this, I think this is actually a very important piece of “clue” that we should NOT overlook. 

“With such confusions, don’t it make you wanna scream ?”

8:27 am
July 23, 2009


mjfan

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Oh Anna, great observation that there are TWO photographs.  What are the chances that TWO photographs “came out” in those conditions and that rush?  How often does a camera (no matter the grade) manage to capture a clear image through a window with this much frenetic activity and a moving car (however slowly), without any blurring of the photographs?  Why isn't MJ blurred? As he undoubtedly would be if there was the kind of activity we saw on the video of the ambulance leaving.

8:28 am
July 23, 2009


ballongiraf

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if he was already dead when the paramedics arrived, they would've called the coroner's office to take his body out of the house.

One thing i dont understand is: the paparazzi, who took the pic called it “the last pic of Michael Jackson”. That was before he arrived at the hospital and was pronounced dead. How did the paparazzi know that it would be the “last pic of MJ”? It's not like they could hear the paramedics talk about possibly loosing MJ, as the paramedics were INSIDE the ambulance, while the paparazzi was OUTSIDE. Makes you wonder, especially after finding out that the paparazzi was friends with MJ.

8:34 am
July 23, 2009


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Pinned.

“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.”

8:41 am
July 23, 2009


answers

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ballongiraf said:

if he was already dead when the paramedics arrived, they would've called the coroner's office to take his body out of the house.

One thing i dont understand is: the paparazzi, who took the pic called it “the last pic of Michael Jackson”. That was before he arrived at the hospital and was pronounced dead. How did the paparazzi know that it would be the “last pic of MJ”? It's not like they could hear the paramedics talk about possibly loosing MJ, as the paramedics were INSIDE the ambulance, while the paparazzi was OUTSIDE. Makes you wonder, especially after finding out that the paparazzi was friends with MJ.


And also, how did they know that MJ was in trouble, it could have been one his staff !

- the mold was broken when Michael Jackson was created

8:50 am
July 23, 2009


sita

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the last “pic “  is prob a complete series of pictures,

as the paparazzis normally shoot.


the rest is for sure very doubtful..

dont forget: LOOK WITH YOUR HEART

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