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5:04 pm
August 1, 2009


ibelieveinmj

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DawneVee said:

Skeptical ~


Very good post.  Thank you.    Speaking of the camera thing…I was reading not too long ago about MJ supposedly being spotted in Canada being pushed in a wheelchair but the person writing that had their cell phone but couldn't get close enough because of the 'throngs of people' crowding MJ.

BS!!!!!!  If that were really true someone in that 'throng of people' would have snapped a picture.   Duh!


Not only would someone have snapped a picture, but if it was really him the media would have been all over it like fly's to shit….lol

 Regardless if it was Canada or anywhere else in the world.  The media were always quick to be on MJ any other time and I am quite sure they would have dropped everything if these sightings were to be true just to be able to try and be the first to report it!!

5:12 pm
August 1, 2009


carelesslove46

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Velvetsilvergirl..LOL…Thank you for the youtube links…Mike had the most beautiful body..Just drives me wild..But as far as the hoax thing..I think if Mike is alive, there will always be little bits of information leaked here and there..Not everyone who was around him is going to be able to keep 'the secret'..I think Keisha was genuine yesterday..Remember with all the publicity, the big investigation by police, the memorial service and the interviews given by the family…Most of the world WILL believe and accept Mike has really gone. So when we hear these little snippets of info about Mike being alive, most of the world wont believe it..It's a little like the Elvis sighting's..I know some of the post's here are just hilarious…Didn't read about the fat guy…LOL..But c'mon there's no way Michael would sit through hour's of make up just to be able to take his garbage out or go for a walk…At least not now..And also I dont believe he will be back…What would be the point?? He didn't like that life in a gold fish bowl..Hopefully now he is free..Where ever he is. Take care everyone and thank's for some great post's..xxxxxxxx

5:41 pm
August 1, 2009


velvetsilvergirl

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carelesslove46 said:

Velvetsilvergirl..LOL…Thank you for the youtube links…Mike had the most beautiful body..Just drives me wild..But as far as the hoax thing..I think if Mike is alive, there will always be little bits of information leaked here and there..Not everyone who was around him is going to be able to keep 'the secret'..I think Keisha was genuine yesterday..Remember with all the publicity, the big investigation by police, the memorial service and the interviews given by the family…Most of the world WILL believe and accept Mike has really gone. So when we hear these little snippets of info about Mike being alive, most of the world wont believe it..It's a little like the Elvis sighting's..I know some of the post's here are just hilarious…Didn't read about the fat guy…LOL..But c'mon there's no way Michael would sit through hour's of make up just to be able to take his garbage out or go for a walk…At least not now..And also I dont believe he will be back…What would be the point?? He didn't like that life in a gold fish bowl..Hopefully now he is free..Where ever he is. Take care everyone and thank's for some great post's..xxxxxxxx


I definately agree careless, I think this website was probably set up as a means to get clues to his fans. I just dont think what we've seen are genuine, though you never know. I thought Keisha  was too 'o my gosh! i cant believe it! seriously guys!' to be taken seriously. And she couldnt even spell Jermaine…or much else.

If this is a hoax I think its to give himself a break and give the media a big fat f-you. I think he will come back – he's too creative to go live on a mountain somwhere. And he's a workaholic…just needing a break and never able to get one.

If its not, then he's gone and in a very undignified way with horrible rumours flying around. I cant believe that this will be the way MJ meets his maker. It would be unbearable and so undeserving. Surely the man upstairs would not let if be that way…

So we all hope…


8:58 pm
August 1, 2009


iloveyoumore

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BerlinBaby/Jim – I feel really stupid asking you this, but wtf is your signature supposed to be?  Is it supposed to represent “when pigs fly” or something?  Or something to do with MJ that I should know if I were a “true” fan?  Or what?  It's driving me crazy!!

Before you post, ask yourself – WWMJD? In our darkest hour, in my deepest despair – Will you still care? Will you be there? In my trials, and my tribulations? Through our doubts and frustrations?

9:06 pm
August 1, 2009


iloveyoumore

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kaos_theory said:

I suppose you all probably won't believe me, but I'm a close friend of ..  (LOL) but, seriously, SkEpTiCaL is my hubby.   He's quite the character .. you should try living with him!! LOL  

He's got alot of points .. some of which I agree with, some of which I don't .. we analize and talk about things all the time even when neither one of us is in this forum.  He's actually the one that told me the week that MJ “allegedly” died,  that people were already talking about how he may have faked his death .. and bingo, rest is history, cuz I found this site .. of which we're both members.  Before that I was a sucker like everyone else believing what the oh so mighty media thru at me .. from the O2 announcement to the ambulance picture.  NOT anymore!!

I don't know .. I seem to keep an open mind without being too gullible .. gullible not meaning being stupid, but letting every possibility sink in and all the what if's.  I agree with alot of you on here as far as everyone having the right to believe what they want.  It's no one's fault if someone takes something so seriously that it's like totally overdramatized.  I'm sure privately we roll things over in our heads and keep things to ourselves and don't share them with the forum, so we don't look like drama queens grasping at straws, least I do anyways.  My hubby is probably the only one I share “way out” there things and he usually brings me down to earth, down to reality. 

There really wasn't a big point to this post .. just commenting on his comment and letting you all know he's a card with a helluva sense of humor.  Creative lil bugger isn't he? LOL 


You guys are lucky to have each other to support & discuss this with!  My DH won't have anything to do with this.  He gets very angry at me if I try and talk about it.  He thinks I'm a looney tune.  What I would give to have him be interested in a board like this!  Ahhh, what can I say…we have very little in common, in fact….

Anyway, we've enjoyed your hubby's post, & he obviously made an impression on The Moderator.  You don't seem too bad yourself.  I had to laugh at the comments below this one you've made explaining that he's your hubby — them wanting to know “who is HE – who is HE?”  lololol.  This place has made people ten shades of crazy.

Before you post, ask yourself – WWMJD? In our darkest hour, in my deepest despair – Will you still care? Will you be there? In my trials, and my tribulations? Through our doubts and frustrations?

9:08 pm
August 1, 2009


iloveyoumore

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SkEpTiCaL said:

Then there was some 'fat' guy living above someone in Germany.  I don't get it. MJ hides from the world, and first he picks Germany, then he decides to be fat, and finally he is carrying out garbage. I remember a little bit of that post “I could tell it was him by the way he walked”. Take it he wasn't carrying the usual amount of garbage people put out? And once again, although the person is at home no camera or cell phone.



Still seriously lmfao at this — especially the visual images I get of someone lugging a big ole garbage bag to a dumpster and yet still maintaing that certain “walk” so characteristic of them……oh.dear.god.that.is.funny.

Before you post, ask yourself – WWMJD? In our darkest hour, in my deepest despair – Will you still care? Will you be there? In my trials, and my tribulations? Through our doubts and frustrations?

9:41 pm
August 1, 2009


SkEpTiCaL

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Thank you everyone.

@ILoveYouMore – It's not all good. Sometimes the discussions become close to arguments when we disagree on something strongly. But we always somehow manage to find a common ground where we can agree to disagree about certain subjects.

I'll admit the wife got caught up in the whole Joke Calms China thing. She was there checking flower colors, German maps, and all the other clues; and somehow dragged me into it.  I was the one that worked out he was in the Dom Hotel in Cologne – LMAO – How I got in that one really defies belief.

Admittedly the wife is more into this than me. She is the one that somehow mentions a post as I am doing something else; and before you know it the pair of us are round the computer, like the witches in Macbeth, searching and trying to find the 'next big clue'.

@The Wife – You should try living with him??? Is this a clue to a deeper, personal, conspiracy?

Glad that everyone saw the funny side of the various sightings – which is basically how I saw the sightings.  The overview came from a conversation me and the wife had one morning over coffee (Yes, we go to sleep talking about it and then wake up talking about it.)

“I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out.” – Harold T. Stone

11:59 pm
August 1, 2009


blu

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Bravo, Well said

1:09 am
August 2, 2009


BB

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Post edited 6:21 pm – August 2, 2009 by Jim Panse


iloveyoumore said:


BerlinBaby/Jim – I feel really stupid asking you this, but wtf is your signature supposed to be?  Is it supposed to represent “when pigs fly” or something?  Or something to do with MJ that I should know if I were a “true” fan?  Or what?  It's driving me crazy!!


Lol! You`re funny…   As in: “Is it a SIGN???” LOL!

It just happens to be one of my favorite pictures ever. That`s all. I think it`s cute…

Here you go: http://images.google.de/images…..=f&oq= You have a great Sunday my dear

P.S.: http://www.rollingstone.com/ro…..stigation/

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The Pig | 4/30/2008, 3:16 pm EST

You think you’re cute, Rolling Stone, don’t you?

The truth is I’ve been on a bender locked in a hotel room since “The Incident”.

I’m very depressed since Roger and I have parted ways. It’s not easy for a pig to find work in this business anymore.

I do, however, sincerly wish Roger the best with all his future endeavors.

Sincerely,
Paul Percival Pig III  

Slideshow: http://www.rollingstone.com/ph…..of_the_pig

5:45 am
August 2, 2009


TrustNoOne

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Hi sceptical, you are right – to some extent…..

However, claiming that you know by a post from any member or their nicks, respectively, that they are NOT close to the real Michael Jackson, is quite arrogant. Do you know these people? Do you know if they are NOT a friend of Michael? You are asking for proofs in your thread, can you proof they are not……????

And also, neither Joke calms china, Peter Pan, StaySilent, ClosePalToMJ nor any other of these people claim(ed) they would tell us where Michael Jackson is hiding – that is an interpretation of their threads by you and many members !!!!!!!!!

They only gave hints

- that Michael is still alive

- about the hoax and where to focus for proofs

- about where to look to very closely

- what to think about more deeply


(And: their posts gave hope! And their riddles were tons of fun – for some members – to solve. Michael loves to have fun and to play!)

6:01 am
August 2, 2009


iloveyoumore

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Jim Panse said:

Post edited 6:21 pm – August 2, 2009 by Jim Panse


iloveyoumore said:


BerlinBaby/Jim – I feel really stupid asking you this, but wtf is your signature supposed to be?  Is it supposed to represent “when pigs fly” or something?  Or something to do with MJ that I should know if I were a “true” fan?  Or what?  It's driving me crazy!!


Lol! You`re funny…   As in: “Is it a SIGN???” LOL!

It just happens to be one of my favorite pictures ever. That`s all. I think it`s cute…

Here you go: http://images.google.de/images…..=f&oq= You have a great Sunday my dear

P.S.: http://www.rollingstone.com/ro…..stigation/

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The Pig | 4/30/2008, 3:16 pm EST

You think you’re cute, Rolling Stone, don’t you?

The truth is I’ve been on a bender locked in a hotel room since “The Incident”.

I’m very depressed since Roger and I have parted ways. It’s not easy for a pig to find work in this business anymore.

I do, however, sincerly wish Roger the best with all his future endeavors.

Sincerely,
Paul Percival Pig III  

Slideshow: http://www.rollingstone.com/ph…..of_the_pig


Yeah, I started to ask if it had anything to do with Pink Floyd, but then I decided against it, as surely I must be the only person on earth who is a huge Pink Floyd AND MJ fan….LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!  That's hilarious.

No, never wondered if it was a “sign”, just wanted to know what the hootie it was.

Thanks!!

Before you post, ask yourself – WWMJD? In our darkest hour, in my deepest despair – Will you still care? Will you be there? In my trials, and my tribulations? Through our doubts and frustrations?

2:23 pm
August 2, 2009


SkEpTiCaL

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TrustNoOne said:

Hi sceptical, you are right – to some extent…..

However, claiming that you know by a post from any member or their nicks, respectively, that they are NOT close to the real Michael Jackson, is quite arrogant. Do you know these people? Do you know if they are NOT a friend of Michael? You are asking for proofs in your thread, can you proof they are not……????

And also, neither Joke calms china, Peter Pan, StaySilent, ClosePalToMJ nor any other of these people claim(ed) they would tell us where Michael Jackson is hiding – that is an interpretation of their threads by you and many members !!!!!!!!!

They only gave hints

- that Michael is still alive

- about the hoax and where to focus for proofs

- about where to look to very closely

- what to think about more deeply


(And: their posts gave hope! And their riddles were tons of fun – for some members – to solve. Michael loves to have fun and to play!)


Hi TrustNoOne. You are partially right. It was somewhat arrogant of me to say that certain people were not close firends of MJ because they had no proof; but I suppose that is just the way I am. I want proof.

As for proving they are not, like I said that will/may happen in time. Like I said in this thread, or possibly another, August 1st came and went.

If in time I get proven wrong; I will be the first to admit I was wrong.  As you pointed out they don't have to prove anything. But likewise I don't have to believe them.

And yes you were right again – the riddles were fun. The wife, as I stated in another post, had a ton of fun trying to work out if JcC's clues were merely anagrams or something more cryptic.

Sorry that you took my post in the wrong way; but I was merely saying how I saw things.

“I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out.” – Harold T. Stone

12:03 am
August 3, 2009


MJFAN1972

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I agree with what you said. You raise a very good point. I don't believe there have been MJ sightings, some people believe it because they want him back so bad. And about psychics speaking to MJ and people claiming to be his friend. I don't know whether or not they are telling the truth but I would say that don't take what they say at face value. Investigate, rely on the evidence surroundig our MJDH theory. Those are more reliable than anything else.

12:49 pm
August 3, 2009


emanviam

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SkEpTiCaL said:

I don't want to start an argument or anything; I'm just curious why people are so willing to believe almost anything they read without any evidence supporting it whatsoever.

When I first came on this site, before I was even registered as a member, this forum was all about evidence. Whether it be what someone said, a picture, an old news report which pointed towards a hoax, or current events which were pointing towards a hoax.

Now before I start my own personal opinion I'm asking that people keep replies polite. In no way am I asking for people to agree; just that this forum is about discussion not insults or name-calling.  I only mention this so that people can reply, say why they are willing to believe certain things or not believe these things without the Moderator or Admin having to take the action of removing it.

Some people have believed various sightings of MJ. Why? In this world that we live in almost every single person has a cell phone, and almost all of the cell phones have a camera. Yet someone spots MJ in Heathrow Airport (which just happens to be England's busiest airport with an abundance of CCTV cameras) all of a sudden nobody has a camera or a cell phone. At this moment I'd maybe accept a hand-drawn sketch as long as someone else would say it was close enough in likeness.

Then there was some 'fat' guy living above someone in Germany.  I don't get it. MJ hides from the world, and first he picks Germany, then he decides to be fat, and finally he is carrying out garbage. I remember a little bit of that post “I could tell it was him by the way he walked”. Take it he wasn't carrying the usual amount of garbage people put out? And once again, although the person is at home no camera or cell phone.

When MJ was not hiding, and I truly do believe that he is hiding somewhere, he couldn't step out of the front door without a few hundred cameras being shoved in his face.  Now he is in hiding everyone has forgotten how to take a picture?

Then we come to all the friends of MJ that have come on to the forum to give clues. Come on, you have to be kidding me.

Joke Calms China? ClosePalToMJ? StaySilent? PeterPan?

MJ is hiding! Pure and simple. No question in that bit. He has obviously gone to a lot of time and trouble to pull off this hoax; but his close friends are going to come on and give 'clues' to his whereabouts? – I don't think so.

Just not going to happen. MJ is not sitting there going “Joker that flower clue was a little bit obvious; oh well years of planning down the toilet so you could give a clue. Let's say we do it on my 80th birthday. And dont go too far with the clues this time.

I'm not saying there is no evidence out there; many of the people on this site/forum have done a lot of work to uncover the details of the hoax.  But at the same time I feel that somewhere along the line people have put so much hope that MJ wants to return to the limelight, and that it will be soon, people have kind of gone off track.

Anyone can say they are a friend of MJ's. And the fact that we all believe he is still alive means we are all friends of MJ.  But a close friend wouldn't sell him out when obviously so much effort has been put in to create the almost-perfect hoax.

This is just my opinion. I know some are going to disagree and that is their choice. I do not put it here to start an argument; merely to open a discussion.



Well said, skeptical…

Michael Jackson Number ONE fan… I LOVE you Michael, I am truly and deeply your friend… If you smile with your fear and sorrow Smile and maybe tomorrow You’ll find that life is still worthwhile if you’ll just… SMILE I love you, Michael

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