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1:22 pm July 25, 2009
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elde said:
@iloveyoumore: this is the message from bubblesthechimp:
1) Tickets have been sold, I bought them with credit card and ticketmaster took the money from it. What seemed strange is that they told us to wait a lot for the tickets to be shipped, a lot of us chose to receive tickets with FEDEX which cost a lot, but they kept saying no one would have received their tickets until a week before the show.At first I thought it was usual policy to prevent scammers from reselling them.Now I think it's odd.
2) We have the possibility to choose full refund or the ” golden ticket” but only if you refuse to have the money back. I think I'm going to ask the refund, they say that it takes at least 21 days to have money back.I don't know what it takes to receive the ticket instead of money.You can choose the ticket untill the 14th of August then you can ask only for refund.I'm not sure if someone has already received the ticket but you can go to communities and ask.
No one has received a ticket, but everyone paid por it; bubblesthechimp hasn't received anything yet, neither have I. It is customary to receive your tickets as late as a week before the concert and even later. The concerts were sold out and no one had received a ticket and now with everything that has happened the ticket sellers are telling their buyers that they can opt for a refund or for a 'golden/memorial' ticket and/or a refund. That's all; it hasn't got anything to do with “fanship” or being “stupid”. I think you misunderstood… greetings from Belgium
Uhhh…someone said they were going to ask for a refund instead of the commerorative ticket. That's what I was calling stupid. And I explained why. And I maintain that.
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1:31 pm July 25, 2009
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I really didn't see his mother crying…the kids kept cool. Paris had her speech…but there were no tears.
Jermaine is a bad actor. I saw him yesterday via live stream at the “save the world awards”. It
wasn't a good performance. About LAX? I don't know….i've read here sth. but it was last week. More than 1200 topics…it's not
easy to find
@ alfaomega: What do you mean by this?
Dr. Conrad Murray, whose name starts withcon,
Con like conspiracy? I don't understand
Con like con-artist.
Also, I really do LOVE this theory honestly. I would love for this one to be true because it's just too freaking cool. But the problem I still have is MJ saved a BUG at a concert, how is he going to do this KNOWING it will cause MILLIONS of people to GRIEVE and be caused undue emotional duress? Walk me around that major snaffoo and I'm totally digging this one.
Supposedly 12 people committed suicide. Now maybe no one committed suicide and this is just a story, but it's an awfully big risk. There are some seriously emotionally unstable people out there, and even if no one committed suicide there have been a LOT of people distraught for long periods of time over this. This would be a very extreme thing for MJ to do IMO. And it seems out of touch with his “I just want to entertain the world and help people” mentality. I mean MJ has never done something awful to people for the greater good before.
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2:19 pm July 25, 2009
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Post edited 7:24 am – July 26, 2009 by souza81
mjfan said:
ilprincipe said:
I really didn't see his mother crying…the kids kept cool. Paris had her speech…but there were no tears.
Jermaine is a bad actor. I saw him yesterday via live stream at the “save the world awards”. It
wasn't a good performance. About LAX? I don't know….i've read here sth. but it was last week. More than 1200 topics…it's not
easy to find
@ alfaomega: What do you mean by this?
Dr. Conrad Murray, whose name starts withcon,
Con like conspiracy? I don't understand
Con like con-artist.
Also, I really do LOVE this theory honestly. I would love for this one to be true because it's just too freaking cool. But the problem I still have is MJ saved a BUG at a concert, how is he going to do this KNOWING it will cause MILLIONS of people to GRIEVE and be caused undue emotional duress? Walk me around that major snaffoo and I'm totally digging this one.
Supposedly 12 people committed suicide. Now maybe no one committed suicide and this is just a story, but it's an awfully big risk. There are some seriously emotionally unstable people out there, and even if no one committed suicide there have been a LOT of people distraught for long periods of time over this. This would be a very extreme thing for MJ to do IMO. And it seems out of touch with his “I just want to entertain the world and help people” mentality. I mean MJ has never done something awful to people for the greater good before.
Well, that may be why nothing adds up, so the real fans would think in a second that this could be a hoax and they would find this website soon (which I still think was launched a bit TOO soon IMO )
Also, there a lot of people killing themselves for this kind of reasons. They would have done it either way, because those people have other issues besides MJ's death. I can't believe you would kill yourself only for this, there must be more to it. And also, we don't even know if it's really true…
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2:36 pm July 25, 2009
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Post edited 7:38 am – July 26, 2009 by ilprincipe
thanks for explanation
To the suicide: It's like you mentioned….there are no reliable sources…
They (media) wrote about 1 tunesian girl…they wrote that an russian imposter attempted suicide…
they wrote >allegedly< 12 people.
This news came over june 30th. 5 days after his death.
It was not mentionend again….maybe it has increased or sth. like this…but there was nothing.
The media draw attention to the “drug addict-story” and so it came to nothing with the suicide….
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3:12 pm July 25, 2009
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souza81 said:
Post edited 2:24 pm – July 25, 2009 by souza81
mjfan said:
ilprincipe said:
I really didn't see his mother crying…the kids kept cool. Paris had her speech…but there were no tears.
Jermaine is a bad actor. I saw him yesterday via live stream at the “save the world awards”. It
wasn't a good performance. About LAX? I don't know….i've read here sth. but it was last week. More than 1200 topics…it's not
easy to find
@ alfaomega: What do you mean by this?
Dr. Conrad Murray, whose name starts withcon,
Con like conspiracy? I don't understand
Con like con-artist.
Also, I really do LOVE this theory honestly. I would love for this one to be true because it's just too freaking cool. But the problem I still have is MJ saved a BUG at a concert, how is he going to do this KNOWING it will cause MILLIONS of people to GRIEVE and be caused undue emotional duress? Walk me around that major snaffoo and I'm totally digging this one.
Supposedly 12 people committed suicide. Now maybe no one committed suicide and this is just a story, but it's an awfully big risk. There are some seriously emotionally unstable people out there, and even if no one committed suicide there have been a LOT of people distraught for long periods of time over this. This would be a very extreme thing for MJ to do IMO. And it seems out of touch with his “I just want to entertain the world and help people” mentality. I mean MJ has never done something awful to people for the greater good before.
Well, that may be why nothing adds up, so the real fans would think in a second that this could be a hoax and they would find this website soon (which I still think was launched a bit TOO soon IMO )
Also, there a lot of people killing themselves for this kind of reasons. They would have done it either way, because those people have other issues besides MJ's death. I can't believe you would kill yourself only for this, there must be more to it. And also, we don't even know if it's really true…
Even then though, every single hardcore MJ fan is not going to figure all this out or find this site. There are a lot of longterm fans who are pretty upset about all this but they REFUSE to entertain any hoax theories. So… I just can't see MJ hurting even ONE person. Ever. For any reason. I dunno. I love this theory, I'd love it if it was true, but I'd have a very hard time reconciling it with who I think MJ is. Doesn't mean I'm right, but part of what I love about MJ is just how GOOD a person he was, and how kind and compassionate and really trying to make the world a better place. That just doesn't line up with faking your death for a movie IMO. Not when so many will mourn.
I mean *I* mourned and even though I read this site and think MAYBE he's still alive, I was pretty upset about him dying. Now if he popped out of a cake or something I wouldn't be mad at him or hold it against him, but I know some would.
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3:25 pm July 25, 2009
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Post edited 9:02 am – July 26, 2009 by souza81
mjfan said:
souza81 said:
Post edited 2:24 pm – July 25, 2009 by souza81
mjfan said:
ilprincipe said:
I really didn't see his mother crying…the kids kept cool. Paris had her speech…but there were no tears.
Jermaine is a bad actor. I saw him yesterday via live stream at the “save the world awards”. It
wasn't a good performance. About LAX? I don't know….i've read here sth. but it was last week. More than 1200 topics…it's not
easy to find
@ alfaomega: What do you mean by this?
Dr. Conrad Murray, whose name starts withcon,
Con like conspiracy? I don't understand
Con like con-artist.
Also, I really do LOVE this theory honestly. I would love for this one to be true because it's just too freaking cool. But the problem I still have is MJ saved a BUG at a concert, how is he going to do this KNOWING it will cause MILLIONS of people to GRIEVE and be caused undue emotional duress? Walk me around that major snaffoo and I'm totally digging this one.
Supposedly 12 people committed suicide. Now maybe no one committed suicide and this is just a story, but it's an awfully big risk. There are some seriously emotionally unstable people out there, and even if no one committed suicide there have been a LOT of people distraught for long periods of time over this. This would be a very extreme thing for MJ to do IMO. And it seems out of touch with his “I just want to entertain the world and help people” mentality. I mean MJ has never done something awful to people for the greater good before.
Well, that may be why nothing adds up, so the real fans would think in a second that this could be a hoax and they would find this website soon (which I still think was launched a bit TOO soon IMO )
Also, there a lot of people killing themselves for this kind of reasons. They would have done it either way, because those people have other issues besides MJ's death. I can't believe you would kill yourself only for this, there must be more to it. And also, we don't even know if it's really true…
Even then though, every single hardcore MJ fan is not going to figure all this out or find this site. There are a lot of longterm fans who are pretty upset about all this but they REFUSE to entertain any hoax theories. So… I just can't see MJ hurting even ONE person. Ever. For any reason. I dunno. I love this theory, I'd love it if it was true, but I'd have a very hard time reconciling it with who I think MJ is. Doesn't mean I'm right, but part of what I love about MJ is just how GOOD a person he was, and how kind and compassionate and really trying to make the world a better place. That just doesn't line up with faking your death for a movie IMO. Not when so many will mourn.
I mean *I* mourned and even though I read this site and think MAYBE he's still alive, I was pretty upset about him dying. Now if he popped out of a cake or something I wouldn't be mad at him or hold it against him, but I know some would.
Yeah, well you got a good point. That's the only thing that's bugging me too, but on the other side a project like this would also be a real MJ thing to do. I guess we'll have to wait and see, if nothing has happened after October 30, I will rest my case and believe he actually died. Even if he's not really dead, it would mean he wants to be left alone, so I'll respect that (as long as he will still release his 'already recorded' songs
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3:48 pm July 25, 2009
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You guys rock!!I m addict of this site and i m really surprised that there are still REAL fans in the world! i jelause to Michael in a good way))) I m so happy i found this site coz when Michael “died” my mom was so shocked that couldnt stop crying for days.I never seen her this way..she said he is very important person for her like a part of family, like really close friend.And she even seen a dream where he told her not to worry and that he is in a good place. =) Michael is great and i m sure he is take over the world now =)
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7:34 pm July 25, 2009
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Post edited 12:38 pm – July 26, 2009 by Alfaomega
Hi ilprincipe,
Yes, Conrad starts with the syllable con.
Theasurus definitions for CON:
Main Entry: |
con |
Part of Speech: |
verb |
Definition: |
deceive, defraud |
Synonyms: |
bamboozle*, bilk, cajole, cheat, chicane, coax, double-cross, dupe, flimflam, fool, hoax, hoodwink, hornswoggle, humbug, inveigle, mislead, rip off, rook, sweet-talk, swindle, trick, wheedle |
Antonyms: |
be forthright, be honest |
* = informal/non-formal usage
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Main Entry: |
against |
Part of Speech: |
preposition |
Definition: |
opposite to |
Synonyms: |
across, adjacent, con, contra, contrary to, counter to, facing, in contrast to, in opposition to, opposed to, opposing, versus, vs |
Main Entry: |
artifice |
Part of Speech: |
noun |
Definition: |
hoax; clever act |
Synonyms: |
con, contrivance, device, dodge, expedient, gambit, gimmick, machination, maneuver, play, ploy, racket, ruse, savvy, scam*, stratagem, subterfuge, tactic, wile |
Antonyms: |
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I personally would choose the third definition: hoax, which is exactly why we are here.
Now, let´s look what else we can find hidden in the name Dr. Conrad Murray
Let´s take Conrad Murray, and we have the word array.
Now, let´s ook at the definitions:
Main Entry: |
array |
Part of Speech: |
noun |
Definition: |
collection, considerable group |
Synonyms: |
arrangement, batch, body, bunch, bundle, clump, cluster, design, display, disposition, exhibition, formation, host, lineup, lot, multitude, order, parade, pattern, set, show, supply, throng |
Main Entry: |
array |
Part of Speech: |
noun |
Definition: |
fine clothes |
Synonyms: |
apparel, attire, drapes, dress, duds, finery, full dress, garb, garments, getup, rig, threads
If we take the first definition: considerable group and you choose some of the synonyms like: arrangement,parade, set, show….
What do we find?
A hoax that was arranged with a considerable group to set a show
This could be a possibility, but you may find other options.
Remember, in a movie, there´s nothing done by accident or coincidence, everything speaks, objects have a symbolic meaning, images tell you something, the names of the characters or hints within the names, the clothes that they use, everything translates something about the characters and its relation to the plot.
Now, let´s look at the word rad th last sylable of the word Conrad
RAD:
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fabulous |
Part of Speech: |
adjective |
Definition: |
amazing, wonderful |
Synonyms: |
10, A-1, A-OK, aces, astonishing, astounding, awesome, best, breathtaking, cool*, doozie, extravagant, fab, fantastic, fictitious, first-class, greatest, groovy*, immense, inconceivable, incredible, legendary, marvelous, mind-blowing*, out-of-sight, out-of-this-world, outrageous, peachy*, phenomenal, primo, prodigious, rad, remarkable, spectacular, striking, stupendous, super, superb, terrific, top drawer, tops, turn-on, unbelievable, unreal, wicked* |
Main Entry: |
far-out |
Part of Speech: |
adjective |
Definition: |
unconventional and offbeat |
Synonyms: |
Bohemian, avant-garde, boss*, contemporary, cool, cool*, deep, deep*, excellent, fabulous, fantastic, groovy, groovy*, hip*, hippie, mod, modern, modernistic, neat, nifty, offbeat, out in left field, out of this world, rad, rad, radical, sensational, strange, super, swell, trendy, ultamodern, unconventional, unorthodox, very unconventional, way-out, weird, wild, wonderful |
* = informal/non-formal usage
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good |
Part of Speech: |
adjective |
Definition: |
pleasant, fine |
Synonyms: |
acceptable, ace*, admirable, agreeable, bad, boss*, bully, capital, choice, commendable, congenial, crack*, deluxe, excellent, exceptional, favorable, first-class, first-rate, gnarly, gratifying, great, honorable, marvelous, neat*, nice, pleasing, positive, precious, prime, rad, recherché, reputable, satisfactory, satisfying, select, shipshape, sound, spanking, splendid, sterling, stupendous, super, super-eminent, super-excellent, superb, superior, tip-top, up to snuff, valuable, welcome, wonderful, worthy |
Notes: |
using good as an adverb in place of well (”she dances real good,” “he did good”) is nonstandard usage – so, it would be best to say “she dances very well,” “he did well” well is an adverb to describe an activity; good is an adjective to describe a condition or state |
Antonyms: |
bad, detestable, disagreeable, |
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Hmmm, now we find that rad means amazing…
CON= HOAX
RAD=AMAZING
Does it make sense?
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8:35 pm July 25, 2009
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Post edited 7:38 pm – July 25, 2009 by Alfaomega
Hi ilprincipe,
Yes, Conrad starts with the syllable con.
Theasurus definitions for CON:
Main Entry: |
con |
Part of Speech: |
verb |
Definition: |
deceive, defraud |
Synonyms: |
bamboozle*, bilk, cajole, cheat, chicane, coax, double-cross, dupe, flimflam, fool, hoax, hoodwink, hornswoggle, humbug, inveigle, mislead, rip off, rook, sweet-talk, swindle, trick, wheedle |
Antonyms: |
be forthright, be honest |
* = informal/non-formal usage
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Main Entry: |
against |
Part of Speech: |
preposition |
Definition: |
opposite to |
Synonyms: |
across, adjacent, con, contra, contrary to, counter to, facing, in contrast to, in opposition to, opposed to, opposing, versus, vs |
Main Entry: |
artifice |
Part of Speech: |
noun |
Definition: |
hoax; clever act |
Synonyms: |
con, contrivance, device, dodge, expedient, gambit, gimmick, machination, maneuver, play, ploy, racket, ruse, savvy, scam*, stratagem, subterfuge, tactic, wile |
Antonyms: |
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I personally would choose the third definition: hoax, which is exactly why we are here.
Now, let´s look what else we can find hidden in the name Dr. Conrad Murray
Let´s take Conrad Murray, and we have the word array.
Now, let´s ook at the definitions:
Main Entry: |
array |
Part of Speech: |
noun |
Definition: |
collection, considerable group |
Synonyms: |
arrangement, batch, body, bunch, bundle, clump, cluster, design, display, disposition, exhibition, formation, host, lineup, lot, multitude, order, parade, pattern, set, show, supply, throng |
Main Entry: |
array |
Part of Speech: |
noun |
Definition: |
fine clothes |
Synonyms: |
apparel, attire, drapes, dress, duds, finery, full dress, garb, garments, getup, rig, threads
If we take the first definition: considerable group and you choose some of the synonyms like: arrangement,parade, set, show….
What do we find?
A hoax that was arranged with a considerable group to set a show
This could be a possibility, but you may find other options.
Remember, in a movie, there´s nothing done by accident or coincidence, everything speaks, objects have a symbolic meaning, images tell you something, the names of the characters or hints within the names, the clothes that they use, everything translates something about the characters and its relation to the plot.
Now, let´s look at the word rad th last sylable of the word Conrad
RAD:
Main Entry: |
fabulous |
Part of Speech: |
adjective |
Definition: |
amazing, wonderful |
Synonyms: |
10, A-1, A-OK, aces, astonishing, astounding, awesome, best, breathtaking, cool*, doozie, extravagant, fab, fantastic, fictitious, first-class, greatest, groovy*, immense, inconceivable, incredible, legendary, marvelous, mind-blowing*, out-of-sight, out-of-this-world, outrageous, peachy*, phenomenal, primo, prodigious, rad, remarkable, spectacular, striking, stupendous, super, superb, terrific, top drawer, tops, turn-on, unbelievable, unreal, wicked* |
Main Entry: |
far-out |
Part of Speech: |
adjective |
Definition: |
unconventional and offbeat |
Synonyms: |
Bohemian, avant-garde, boss*, contemporary, cool, cool*, deep, deep*, excellent, fabulous, fantastic, groovy, groovy*, hip*, hippie, mod, modern, modernistic, neat, nifty, offbeat, out in left field, out of this world, rad, rad, radical, sensational, strange, super, swell, trendy, ultamodern, unconventional, unorthodox, very unconventional, way-out, weird, wild, wonderful |
* = informal/non-formal usage
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Main Entry: |
good |
Part of Speech: |
adjective |
Definition: |
pleasant, fine |
Synonyms: |
acceptable, ace*, admirable, agreeable, bad, boss*, bully, capital, choice, commendable, congenial, crack*, deluxe, excellent, exceptional, favorable, first-class, first-rate, gnarly, gratifying, great, honorable, marvelous, neat*, nice, pleasing, positive, precious, prime, rad, recherché, reputable, satisfactory, satisfying, select, shipshape, sound, spanking, splendid, sterling, stupendous, super, super-eminent, super-excellent, superb, superior, tip-top, up to snuff, valuable, welcome, wonderful, worthy |
Notes: |
using good as an adverb in place of well (”she dances real good,” “he did good”) is nonstandard usage – so, it would be best to say “she dances very well,” “he did well” well is an adverb to describe an activity; good is an adjective to describe a condition or state |
Antonyms: |
bad, detestable, disagreeable, |
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Hmmm, now we find that rad means amazing…
CON= HOAX
RAD=AMAZING
Does it make sense?
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Thanks! it does make sence, once you break it down the way you have. Dr. Con-Rad Murray or should we call me Dr. Amazing Hoax lol (I know I re-arranged it but it sounds better) lol You should make this a topic on its own, on a different thread. What you have just given us goes in perfect correlation with the P.T. Barnum theory as well as with the Movie. IMO there have been too many holes in the case and too many slips by people not to think of this as a hoax. Thanks!
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Yes and we can continue with the last name Murray…
Here we go: In french the word for “dying” is “mourir” this comes from the latin word: mori (asked Wiktinnaire by Wikipedia – here is the link at the french explic. http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/mourir)
Take this word, transform it into a word which sounds a little bit more english and you have: Murray
CSK from France
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here's the link to the LAX delayed flight schedules on june 25..
http://www.flightstats.com/go/…..2009-06-25
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@ alfaomega: WOW! That's really complex….and i never would have find out by myself. English is not
my first language….i'm almost 30….my schooldays were over 13 years ago….and i have to work with
a dictionary to write the posts. I use http://www.dict.cc and that helps me a lot
And yes…it makes sense...MJ is a genius… and some of his fans (like you) are also
very very smart to solve the puzzle.
I hope we all get soon a solution of all this…i can hardly wait 3 month (until oct. 30th) or longer.
Well…this is it…and u ain't seen nothing
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Post edited 10:53 pm – July 26, 2009 by StenniZ
Awesome theory. It makes a lot of sence. I can't wait for October. Thanks for sharing Souza81. Good to know, there's fellow Dutchmen/women that think alike and don't just directly buy into the crap sold to us by the media. Yesterday I was gifted a book about MJ, written by Michael Heatley. My friends added a note, that said: “After today, you will also accept the fact that MJ has died.”
I can understand them, as I've been going on and on about MJ possibly not being dead and staging the whole thing. I understand this might have annoyed them, but doesn't mean I'm giving up hope just yet. I'm anxious to see what'll happen on October, 30th. Can't wait! If nothing happens at that date, maybe I'll change my mind about the whole thing (I'm not makin' any promises though )
Thanks again for sharing Souza81!
“Wat mij betreft mag het morgen Oktober zijn! “
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I just love this theory!!! Hope it turns out to be the truth!!!
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4:32 am July 26, 2009
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lafrance,
You are correct.
Now, can we find the word murder in Conrad´s full name? Let´s find out.
We hace to use the title of Dr. too, as he is always mention this way, so:
Dr. Conrad Robert Murray: murder …et voilá.
And what would happen, if we also take the last sylable from Murray?
Ray:
Main Entry: |
ray |
Part of Speech: |
noun |
Definition: |
beam; indication |
Synonyms: |
bar, blaze, blink, emanation, flash, flicker, gleam, glimmer, glint, glitter, hint, incandescence, irradiation, light, moonbeam, patch, pencil, radiance, radiation, scintilla, shaft, shine, spark, sparkle, streak, stream, sunbeam, trace, wave |
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ray is distinguished from beam in that it describes a smaller quantity of light (beam being a collection of parallel rays) |
Ohhh! We can see the word hint in the synonyms.
We are all a team here and we are all discovering different kinds of things.
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4:58 am July 26, 2009
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ilprincipe said:
Post edited 2:38 pm – July 25, 2009 by ilprincipe
thanks for explanation
To the suicide: It's like you mentioned….there are no reliable sources…
They (media) wrote about 1 tunesian girl…they wrote that an russian imposter attempted suicide…
they wrote >allegedly< 12 people.
This news came over june 30th. 5 days after his death.
It was not mentionend again….maybe it has increased or sth. like this…but there was nothing.
The media draw attention to the “drug addict-story” and so it came to nothing with the suicide….
In the MJJcommunity forum there was a thread about the suicides, and some moderator said that at least one of the community had died or something like that.
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5:04 am July 26, 2009
| ballongiraf
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bubblesthechimp said:
ilprincipe said:
Post edited 2:38 pm – July 25, 2009 by ilprincipe
thanks for explanation
To the suicide: It's like you mentioned….there are no reliable sources…
They (media) wrote about 1 tunesian girl…they wrote that an russian imposter attempted suicide…
they wrote >allegedly< 12 people.
This news came over june 30th. 5 days after his death.
It was not mentionend again….maybe it has increased or sth. like this…but there was nothing.
The media draw attention to the “drug addict-story” and so it came to nothing with the suicide….
In the MJJcommunity forum there was a thread about the suicides, and some moderator said that at least one of the community had died or something like that.
and that's sad if true But…. how can michael be held responsible for someone deciding to commit suicide?
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5:09 am July 26, 2009
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ballongiraf said:
bubblesthechimp said:
ilprincipe said:
Post edited 2:38 pm – July 25, 2009 by ilprincipe
thanks for explanation
To the suicide: It's like you mentioned….there are no reliable sources…
They (media) wrote about 1 tunesian girl…they wrote that an russian imposter attempted suicide…
they wrote >allegedly< 12 people.
This news came over june 30th. 5 days after his death.
It was not mentionend again….maybe it has increased or sth. like this…but there was nothing.
The media draw attention to the “drug addict-story” and so it came to nothing with the suicide….
In the MJJcommunity forum there was a thread about the suicides, and some moderator said that at least one of the community had died or something like that.
and that's sad if true But…. how can michael be held responsible for someone deciding to commit suicide?
Yes that is sad I don't think Michael is responsible, but i think that if he comes back and someone really committed suicide his parents or family could sue MJ becaused he caused ” emotional distress”.
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10:39 am July 26, 2009
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Nice found about that Conrad Murray name. If this theory of Souza81 ends up to be true, it's well thought out by Michael. If he just choose a doctor with such a name (or gave it to him). Just Michael, everything has to be perfect.
About his family (Joe for example) talking about him in present time can all be part of the plan. Just try to confuse some people, but on the other hand give some clues to the die hard fans. Talking only in present time, may also be necessary in order to keep things legal. I can't remember any of his siblings said Michael was dead. The only one was Jermain at the press conference on june 25th, correct me if i'm wrong. They are always talking about he's watching us, we miss him, he's in our hearts etc.
About some fans committing suicide, I think these people would have done it sooner or later, even if he didn't 'die' or when he really died at an other age. I think these people weren't happy with there life for quite a while. MJs death pushed them that last bit…
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3:19 pm July 26, 2009
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Post edited 1:58 pm – July 28, 2009 by Alfaomega
Sosh,
Jermain sang “Smile” in the memorial, and he sang Light up your face with sadness, Hide all your gladness. (Original lyrics:Light up your face with gladness, Hide all your sadness). Did they light up their faces with sadness and did they hide all their gladness?
He is a professional singer with a long background. He is in show biz, since how long?This is no coincident or accident…, not by a professional singer …. this was done on purpose and it is a subtle message for all the ones that know about this plot. The mind of the general public perceives the whole, not the subtle facts.
Now, let me show you two differente images of Dr. Murray at his office taken the same day..
In the first image, Dr. ConRad we see Rawle Andrews, M.D., M ? What is he hiding? It seems that this is a casual picture, that somebody took at his office…but it is not.
Now look at the second image….Wow!…Now he is unveiling something…Memorial.
An image says more than a 1000 words.
Do you still thing that these 2 pictures are a coincidence?
Do you think that Jermain interchanged Gladness and Sadness by accident?
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3:45 pm July 26, 2009
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Whoho! I got a sticky! Thanks Admin!
I haven't seen the other pic of Murray before in the clinic, where did you get it? I saw that memorial part too, didn't know what to think of it, could be something normal in the US in clinics…
Who is the docter who's name is on the pic BTW? Did anyone have a search on him already?
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5:16 pm July 26, 2009
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Post edited 1:54 pm – July 28, 2009 by Alfaomega
Hi Souza,
I just googled Dr. Conrad Murray-images.
http://images.google.com.mx/im…..amp;tab=wi
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5:22 pm July 26, 2009
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This would be amazing.. I bought 3 tickets for July 14th concert through official ticket office (bought more though!), this was postponed untill the 6th March 2010. I have asked for a refund for 2 of the tickets and opted to have 1 commerative one, it will be interesting to see when i receive it, surely I would not have to wait until March?
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6:03 pm July 26, 2009
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I will be there said:
This would be amazing.. I bought 3 tickets for July 14th concert through official ticket office (bought more though!), this was postponed untill the 6th March 2010. I have asked for a refund for 2 of the tickets and opted to have 1 commerative one, it will be interesting to see when i receive it, surely I would not have to wait until March?
Ya know….
LOL….
(this just kills me)
For those insisting on getting refunds for their tickets….
And worried about when they will be getting said refunds…
I'm pretty darn sure that some MJ fans on a certain forum would be MORE than happy to take them off your hands and give you your money NOW.
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7:04 pm July 26, 2009
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Post edited 12:11 pm – July 27, 2009 by bubblesthechimp
iloveyoumore said:
Post edited 12:28 pm – July 25, 2009 by iloveyoumore
bubblesthechimp said:
Post edited 6:48 am – July 25, 2009 by bubblesthechimp
Great theory!
I bought a lot of tickets… for July and for August . ( I wanted to go for his Birthday) .
2) We have the possibility to choose full refund or the ” golden ticket” but only if you refuse to have the money back. I think I'm going to ask the refund, they say that it takes at least 21 days to have money back.I don't know what it takes to receive the ticket instead of money.You can choose the ticket untill the 14th of August then you can ask only for refund.I'm not sure if someone has already received the ticket but you can go to communities and ask.
Wow. You're going to ask for a refund? That's just amazing to me. Ever thought your “golden ticket” might just be that? Ever thought that if this crazy theory is right, your “golden ticket” was a test of your fanship and that you could use it in the future for…something golden? I certainly would always wonder that. Not to mention I would have kept it even before this theory came out…..even if you've NOT a fan, and this theory is hogwosh, and you aren't sentimental….don't you at least see that it is quite possibly a finicial investment? I'm sure it will be worth quite a bit.
I'm sorry, that's just incredibly stupid to me, and on so many levels.
I bought 6 tickets and I still have to ask for the refund I think I'm keeping one ticket. I thought of the possibility that they could be tickets for ” a secret future tour” .At first I thought it was not fair to ask fans to choose between 75 pounds or the ticket, I though they should have given us the tickets and the refund and that it was mere speculation.But know I will keep one and see, I like Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory!…As for the investment I don't think tickets will be worth a lot , it depends on how many people are going to keep them, if there will be 400 hundred tickets on the market they will not be worth a lot.
this should have been my first ever Michael 's concert ! argh! And I wanted to see him live since 1988…
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7:06 pm July 26, 2009
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Scarletroad said:
I don't agree with the comeback theory (it's absolutely against the law to fake your death or even to help someone else fake their death, plus the greatest reason to fake his death would be to get away from the spotlight) but your synopsis is awesome and your english is excellent!
Its only illegal to fake your death if you are extorting money through it, thats criminal. THere could be civil charges for emotional suffering. I agree, without a DC, autopsy, tox report, even a burial – he aint dead yet. But how long can LAPD keep putting off these reports…? They're going to have anty up something soon.
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7:11 pm July 26, 2009
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WOOOOOWWW!
THAT is a BIG STORY!
You're very clever…. And Michael is, too.
I've bought the German Rolling Stone MJ Special today, and they write:
Tohme Tohme said, Michael had been working for 2 years on his comeback.
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7:13 pm July 26, 2009
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My two cents: OK it's always a little more than that but here goes.
I love the theory. The only thing is, I don't think he's gonna come back…at least not the way you are thinking. JMO. I think that when people go to see the “movie” of all of the HD footage, it will actually end up being a completely different movie than what they thought. It will be the story of how MJ disappeared. However, I bet we'll be left with a cliff hanger at the end. We will all know and understand that MJ is alive and well, but we will also understand that he is hiding and will never come back to us as we knew him before. We will always be looking around, wondering if the guy next door is him. He will get to be alive as people continue to guess. The press will always be looking for him. He can play an eternal game with the media and still live his life out in peace, knowing what its like to be a “normal” person (as Dr. Klein put it!). It would be pretty cool.
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8:08 pm July 26, 2009
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grrrreeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaattttttttt post!!!
everything you said it's true..
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12:10 am July 27, 2009
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i happen to go over the CNN transcript during MJ's stay at UCLA Med.Ctr. and here are some of my observations:
1. the fire alarm apparently went off when MJ was supposedly being treated there..why?i cant seem to find news that there had been
fire w/in the premise during that time..no fire trucks either (are there)..is this their way to easily pull off the plot that they planned by forcing the people to evacuate the building so they can have the whole place and the time all by themselves (w/MJ of course..below is the part of the transcript:
GRACE: You`re seeing live footage. As we go to air tonight, there at the UCLA Medical Center, streets have been closed off. Throngs of fans and media now outside the UCLA Medical Center. There they are, practically storming the doors. The fire alarms have been going off inside the hospital. Are fans trying to get into the hospital, Paul Vercammen?
and also see the link where 1 patient personally experience this:
http://jenellesjourney.blogspo…..-ucla.html
2. MJ was reportedly found approx. 12:30pm by DOCTOR Murray himself. Didn't he know tha UCLA hosp. is just 5mins. away fr.
MJs rented mansion???(i doubt) As a dr. im sure he knows that time is of the essence during this critical period. why did he opt to call 911 instead of rushing MJ directly to the hosp. where there would be a complete facitlity and doctors to do the job that he cant do by himself alone..
GRACE: Back to Paul Vercammen outside the hospital. Paul, take me right back to the way it unfolded just hours ago when the paramedics were called to Jackson`s Bel-Air home.
VERCAMMEN: Well, it`s all West Coast time. I hope I don`t confuse our East Coast viewers. But basically, at around 12:30 or so, they responded to the home, a little before that, and there was Michael Jackson in cardiac arrest. In other words, he was not breathing, as well. So they then took him on a very short drive, just about five minutes, two miles, from that rented mansion to UCLA Medical Center. We then understand he was in this very heated pitched battle for his life and had lapsed into a coma. Then it was at about 2:36, we believe, West Coast time that he was officially pronounced dead.
3. There was allegedly no doctor in attendance of MJ when he was rushed to the hospital when in fact reports say that they were trying
to rescucitate/revive him for more or less an hour???And this is apparently the reason why no Dr in particular could sign his death certicate thus passing the case in the hands of the coroner??(hmmmm..fishy)
FRED CORRAL, LIEUTENANT WITH CORONER`S INVESTIGATION DIVISION (via phone): He was pronounced dead this afternoon at the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center in Westwood, California.
GRACE: Has this become a coroner`s case? We are told it was cardiac arrest. If that has already been determined, why is this now in the hands of a coroner?
CORRAL: The reason it is a coroner`s case is because there was no doctor in attendance to sign the death certificate. Anyone — anytime a person dies of natural causes, there has to be a doctor. If there`s not a doctor in attendance, then it would become a coroner`s case.
4. sounds creepy to me (how will MJ wake up if he's already dead? why the need to expound) LOL try enrolling in an acting workshop:
GRACE: Brian — with me, Brian Oxman, the long-time Jackson family attorney. Brian, you keep telling me that this could have been prevented. Why are you saying that?
OXMAN: Nancy, I had said privately to Randy and to other members of this family, I said to La Toya, that if one day Michael woke up and he was not here with us, meaning that he had passed away or expired, I was going to speak up very loud and very clear about the enablers who had been providing him with medications.
I am going to hold my tongue to watch what has happened here, what the results of the medical investigation are. You have mentioned that the coroner is here. We`re going to find out what happened and if it is what I suspect it is, which is the use of medications has caused his death, I am going to speak up very loud and very clear.
(hmmm as if you don't know the coroner should be there, huh?? )
for the whole CNN transcript, follow the link:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..ng.01.html
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